Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:33:37 +0100, "Quest Pond"
<quest.pond@...> wrote:

>Also i have had a quick mess around with the decay and release sequencer mods and it doesnt quite seem to work as i expexted. Are these settings for the sequencer set absolute values overriding the adsr envelope? Even so the results dont seem as i would expect, or maybe i havent experiemented enough.

Don't all the sequencer values override the patch values? I'd
certainly prefer it if they were relative +/- but...

Paul
---
Paul Nagle - SoftRoom Music - www.softroom.co.uk
          Bogus Focus Records - www.BogusFocus.com

I don't know if this will help you guys or not, but realize that the 
value(s) you apply with a modulator (sequencer, LFO, AT, etc.) to 
affect one of the new Envelope parameter mod destinations works 
OPPOSITE of the actual envelope parameters themselves.

For example, when you want a longer Envelope Attack, you INCREASE the 
value of the Attack, right?  However, if you apply a POSITIVE value 
to Envelope Attack via a modulator, you will DECREASE the Attack time.

That seemed backward to me, but Dave confirmed that was his intent.  
It all works fine (at least for me!), just as soon as you realize 
what's going on.


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Quest Pond" <quest.pond@a...> 
wrote:
> Regardless i cant seem to get notes to decay longer or shorten 
decay at all.
>  
> Quest Pond 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Nagle [mailto:paul@s...]
> Sent: 15 October 2003 9:43 AM
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Evolver] MIDI In prob? Trying to load OS 2.0
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> 
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:33:37 +0100, "Quest Pond"
> <quest.pond@a...> wrote:
> 
> >Also i have had a quick mess around with the decay and release 
sequencer mods and it doesnt quite seem to work as i expexted. Are 
these settings for the sequencer set absolute values overriding the 
adsr envelope? Even so the results dont seem as i would expect, or 
maybe i havent experiemented enough.
> 
> Don't all the sequencer values override the patch values? I'd
> certainly prefer it if they were relative +/- but...
> 
> Paul
> ---
> Paul Nagle - SoftRoom Music - www.softroom.co.uk
>           Bogus Focus Records - www.BogusFocus.com
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That seens *very* odd.  The values supplied directly through control knob, and indirectly through modulation have *opposite* effects on the envelope parameters ????   That sounds crazy!  Did Dave say why he designed it that way?  Counter-intuitive UI decisions like this always make a synth harder to use
(at least for me, but I suspect for most folks); I'm surprised he did this.

Elby

> I don't know if this will help you guys or not, but realize that the
> value(s) you apply with a modulator (sequencer, LFO, AT, etc.) to
> affect one of the new Envelope parameter mod destinations works
> OPPOSITE of the actual envelope parameters themselves.
>
> For example, when you want a longer Envelope Attack, you INCREASE the
> value of the Attack, right?  However, if you apply a POSITIVE value
> to Envelope Attack via a modulator, you will DECREASE the Attack time.
>
> That seemed backward to me, but Dave confirmed that was his intent.
> It all works fine (at least for me!), just as soon as you realize
> what's going on.
>
> Ski

I 100% agree. I don't get it either.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Mountain Man <mtman@c...> wrote:
> That seens *very* odd.  The values supplied directly through 
control knob, and indirectly through modulation have *opposite* 
effects on the envelope parameters ????   That sounds crazy!  Did 
Dave say why he designed it that way?  Counter-intuitive UI 
decisions like this always make a synth harder to use
> (at least for me, but I suspect for most folks); I'm surprised he 
did this.
> 
> Elby
> 
> 
> > I don't know if this will help you guys or not, but realize that 
the
> > value(s) you apply with a modulator (sequencer, LFO, AT, etc.) to
> > affect one of the new Envelope parameter mod destinations works
> > OPPOSITE of the actual envelope parameters themselves.
> >
> > For example, when you want a longer Envelope Attack, you 
INCREASE the
> > value of the Attack, right?  However, if you apply a POSITIVE 
value
> > to Envelope Attack via a modulator, you will DECREASE the Attack 
time.
> >
> > That seemed backward to me, but Dave confirmed that was his 
intent.

> > It all works fine (at least for me!), just as soon as you realize
> > what's going on.
> >
> > Ski

Well, it made sense to Dave, and let's face it, the Evolver is HIS 
synth!  ;)  

Following is his reponse to an email in which I raised the issue:

"Actually, not a bug. In the old version attack went faster with more 
mod, so now decay and release are the same polarity. It's a throw-
back to keyboard control of envelopes, where usually with a harder 
key strike you would want faster envelope times. Not always, of 
course, but it doesnt matter all that much, since you can control it 
just fine either way."


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" 
<noision1@h...> wrote:
> I 100% agree. I don't get it either.
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Mountain Man <mtman@c...> wrote:
> > That seens *very* odd.  The values supplied directly through 
> control knob, and indirectly through modulation have *opposite* 
> effects on the envelope parameters ????   That sounds crazy!  Did 
> Dave say why he designed it that way?  Counter-intuitive UI 
> decisions like this always make a synth harder to use
> > (at least for me, but I suspect for most folks); I'm surprised he 
> did this.
> > 
> > Elby
> > 
> > 
> > > I don't know if this will help you guys or not, but realize 
that 
> the
> > > value(s) you apply with a modulator (sequencer, LFO, AT, etc.) 
to
> > > affect one of the new Envelope parameter mod destinations works
> > > OPPOSITE of the actual envelope parameters themselves.
> > >
> > > For example, when you want a longer Envelope Attack, you 
> INCREASE the
> > > value of the Attack, right?  However, if you apply a POSITIVE 
> value
> > > to Envelope Attack via a modulator, you will DECREASE the 
Attack 
> time.
> > >
> > > That seemed backward to me, but Dave confirmed that was his 
> intent.
> > > It all works fine (at least for me!), just as soon as you 
realize

> > > what's going on.
> > >
> > > Ski