Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hello again.

After much hard Internet searching I have finally found a site in 
the UK that supplies Hart Dynamics pads. www.edrumonline.co.uk. Does 
anyone have any advice as to how compatible these pads are with 
DTXpress 2 modules.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "pdsonline2002" <philldrew@t...> 
wrote:
> 
> Hello again.
> 
> After much hard Internet searching I have finally found a site in 
> the UK that supplies Hart Dynamics pads. www.edrumonline.co.uk. 
Does 
> anyone have any advice as to how compatible these pads are with 
> DTXpress 2 modules.

Is this the store that Simon (aka flurbs) runs? I'd contact them 
through one of the email addresses on the site and ask. Once upon a 
time, using certain Hart equipment--particularly, the hi hat, ECII 
ride cymbal, and Acusnare--with a Yamaha module ran the risk of poor 
trigger response. I've heard relatively recently that the danger is 
greatly reduced, but I haven't verifed it myself. If edrumonline 
can't give you a satisfactory answer, try emailing Hart Dynamics 
International for an answer. A summit meeting between Hart and Yamaha 
(in the person of Tony Verderosa) took place a while back for the 
express purpose of checking compatibility issues. No public 
statements about the outcome have emerged, to my knowledge, but maybe 
Hart has information on the subject now for potential Yamaha 
customers. 

Hart used to be relatively indifferent to these concerns. That's why 
you don't see the company represented by many users on this site. A 
couple of years ago, a number of us started trying out Hart equipment 
and ran into the problems that I mentioned above. At the time, 
despite Hart's expressed intention to look into the matter, nothing 
came of it. I don't think that they can resist the Yamaha market much 
longer, and Yamaha itself has begun to join the e-drum community a 
little more, apparently realizing that they cannot make all things 
for all people themselves. It was a hard road.

Ed

Yes this is indeed the store that simon (flurbs) represents. I have 
bought a number of things from him, I'd defnitely say give them a 
call or email to ask directly, thay are very helpful chaps down 
there. FWIW I have been using one of my Hart Pro Toms as a mono snare 
with my DTXpress 1 brain for a while, until I find a permanemt 
replacement. It have perfoemed fine, wouldn't say it is optimal, but 
I only use the Xpress for practice at home, so top sounds & fantastic 
triggering are not particualrly important.  However the current Hart 
pads now come with the newer & improved TE3.2 trigger system, this 
may have made using a Yamaha brain fully possible. Hopefully Simon 
will be able to clear this issue up.




--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "pdsonline2002" <philldrew@t...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello again.
> > 
> > After much hard Internet searching I have finally found a site in 
> > the UK that supplies Hart Dynamics pads. www.edrumonline.co.uk. 
> Does 
> > anyone have any advice as to how compatible these pads are with 
> > DTXpress 2 modules.
> 
> Is this the store that Simon (aka flurbs) runs? I'd contact them 
> through one of the email addresses on the site and ask. Once upon a 
> time, using certain Hart equipment--particularly, the hi hat, ECII 
> ride cymbal, and Acusnare--with a Yamaha module ran the risk of 
poor 
> trigger response. I've heard relatively recently that the danger is 
> greatly reduced, but I haven't verifed it myself. If edrumonline 
> can't give you a satisfactory answer, try emailing Hart Dynamics 
> International for an answer. A summit meeting between Hart and 
Yamaha 
> (in the person of Tony Verderosa) took place a while back for the 
> express purpose of checking compatibility issues. No public 
> statements about the outcome have emerged, to my knowledge, but 
maybe 
> Hart has information on the subject now for potential Yamaha 
> customers. 
> 
> Hart used to be relatively indifferent to these concerns. That's 
why 
> you don't see the company represented by many users on this site. A 
> couple of years ago, a number of us started trying out Hart 
equipment 
> and ran into the problems that I mentioned above. At the time, 
> despite Hart's expressed intention to look into the matter, nothing 
> came of it. I don't think that they can resist the Yamaha market 
much 

> longer, and Yamaha itself has begun to join the e-drum community a 
> little more, apparently realizing that they cannot make all things 
> for all people themselves. It was a hard road.
> 
> Ed

I am running a DTXtreme IIs with the original 5 Yamaha pads plus 8 
Hart toms and a Hart snare.

I am nothing short of thrilled with the performance of the Hart 
products, albeit it takes a little extra experimentation because they 
play, respond and trigger a little differently than the Yamahas.

The only problems I have experienced are on 1 of the toms and on the 
snare, some occasional dropped hits.

After working thru a gazillion settings changes and combinations of 
rejection settings, I am thinking its a head tightness issue.  I am 
in the process now of kind of overtightening the heads, to see if

a) there was too much deep vibration maybe causing the trigger to 
cancel itself, or 

b) if the softer head tension was allowing my stick to somehow 
overdrive the trigger.

Again, this has only been on 2 of the drums, and overall they have 
performed, and look great.

Hope that helps.
vlus






--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "pdsonline2002" <philldrew@t...> 
wrote:
> 
> Hello again.
> 
> After much hard Internet searching I have finally found a site in 
> the UK that supplies Hart Dynamics pads. www.edrumonline.co.uk. 
Does 
> anyone have any advice as to how compatible these pads are with 
> DTXpress 2 modules.

vlus:

Any quick advice on what tweaking of the module setting gave the 
optimum results?

donn

On Dec 5, 2004, at 10:54 AM, vl2000_us wrote:

>
>  I am running a DTXtreme IIs with the original 5 Yamaha pads plus 8
>  Hart toms and a Hart snare.
>
>  I am nothing short of thrilled with the performance of the Hart
>  products, albeit it takes a little extra experimentation because they
>  play, respond and trigger a little differently than the Yamahas.
>
>  The only problems I have experienced are on 1 of the toms and on the
>  snare, some occasional dropped hits.
>
>  After working thru a gazillion settings changes and combinations of
>  rejection settings, I am thinking its a head tightness issue.  I am
>  in the process now of kind of overtightening the heads, to see if
>
>  a) there was too much deep vibration maybe causing the trigger to
>  cancel itself, or
>
>  b) if the softer head tension was allowing my stick to somehow
>  overdrive the trigger.
>
>  Again, this has only been on 2 of the drums, and overall they have
>  performed, and look great.
>
>  Hope that helps.
>  vlus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "pdsonline2002" <philldrew@t...>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > Hello again.
>  >
>  > After much hard Internet searching I have finally found a site in
>  > the UK that supplies Hart Dynamics pads. www.edrumonline.co.uk.
>  Does
>  > anyone have any advice as to how compatible these pads are with
>  > DTXpress 2 modules.
>
>
>
>
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Thank you!

Don Pokorny

Thanks for all the advice, Its been very helpfull. I have fired off 
an email to edrummingonline asking for the "Official word" on 
compatability and settings.....fingers firmly crossed. I post the 
reply if it is of any help and then start the hint dropping to my 
good lady.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Don <contract731@c...> wrote:
>   vlus:
> 
> Any quick advice on what tweaking of the module setting gave the 
> optimum results?
> 
> donn
> 
> On Dec 5, 2004, at 10:54 AM, vl2000_us wrote:
> 
> >
> >  I am running a DTXtreme IIs with the original 5 Yamaha pads 
plus 8
> >  Hart toms and a Hart snare.
> >
> >  I am nothing short of thrilled with the performance of the Hart
> >  products, albeit it takes a little extra experimentation 
because they
> >  play, respond and trigger a little differently than the Yamahas.
> >
> >  The only problems I have experienced are on 1 of the toms and 
on the
> >  snare, some occasional dropped hits.
> >
> >  After working thru a gazillion settings changes and 
combinations of
> >  rejection settings, I am thinking its a head tightness issue.  
I am
> >  in the process now of kind of overtightening the heads, to see 
if
> >
> >  a) there was too much deep vibration maybe causing the trigger 
to
> >  cancel itself, or
> >
> >  b) if the softer head tension was allowing my stick to somehow
> >  overdrive the trigger.
> >
> >  Again, this has only been on 2 of the drums, and overall they 
have
> >  performed, and look great.
> >
> >  Hope that helps.
> >  vlus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "pdsonline2002" 
<philldrew@t...>
> >  wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Hello again.
> >  >
> >  > After much hard Internet searching I have finally found a 
site in
> >  > the UK that supplies Hart Dynamics pads. 
www.edrumonline.co.uk.
> >  Does
> >  > anyone have any advice as to how compatible these pads are 
with
> >  > DTXpress 2 modules.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Don Pokorny

donn... man its been a long and ongoing process.  i imagine it will 
also be somewhat different for different setups.  for example i use a 
gibralter rack (rock solid) and have a rock solid drum riser, so i'm 
getting away with little if any rejection settings from crosstalk.

now, if you set up on a loose stage or riser, you may have to tighten 
down the rejection settings.

i am basically working with self rejection set to the min which is 
5ms on pretty much everything.  wish i could get it to zero, in fact.

i have found that i get best results with gains set nearly maxed on 
the harts.  that may change with more tweaking, but i have for most 
of my kit programs, my yamaha toms set at 32, my hart toms at 57, my 
hart snare at 57 and my yam snare at either 45 or 63 depending on 
what i'm trying to do with it.

i use the hart snare as my main.  i use the yam snare as either a 
specialty snare (ex: big fat 80s rock sound) at which case i run it 
at 45, because the yamahas seem 'hotter' than the hart.  i have to 
run the hart at 57 to be approx same vol as the yam at 45.

on the other hand sometimes i use the yam snare as a special fx 
trigger (ex: hand clap, bells, etc) so i run the gain to 63.  when i 
do that, i'll also set the volume where i want it for the voice, and 
i'll usually set the velocity at min-126 max -127, that way i always 
get full force FX even if i mis-strike the pad

i had a full band rehearsal today after really torquing the heads 
down tite on the harts.  the reason for this, as i posted earlier, is 
i had one tom and the snare, periodically drop a hit.  really throws 
me off when that happens and it was buggin the shit out of me.

i tried every rejection combination, against itself, the rack, other 
drums, etc... i'm finally convinced (well almost convinced) that 
these heads like to be a quite a bit tighter than i've ever had my 
acoustics, almost to the point where i feel like they're too tight.  
but... no dropped hits today, and i was hammering unusually hard 
today because bass player was cranked.

i'm not sure if the looser head was causing the stick to over drive 
the trigger, or, if the looser head was creating too much extra 
vibration that was within the 5ms minimum self rejection setting and 
hence cancelling the next hit.  (thats why i mentioned earlier about 
wishing i could take self reject to zero just to experiment)

what else... i've managed to get the kit where i'm running all the 
special rejections at 0 from any other drum, as well.

I built my own snake for cable management so i can very quickly wire 
the whole set properly.  (i dont use any of the channels as labeled :-
)

let me know i can help with anything else.  right now the only thing 
i want to figure out is if i can put wipe or spray something on that 
beautiful chrome finish on the harts.  they are going to occasionally 
spend a few days in the cold band truck and i dont want the 
condensation to start pitting the surface.  thinking some kind of wax 
or something.

overall i'm thrilled with my combo hart/yam kit.



good luck-
vlus
http://www.MonstersOfRock.info







--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Don <contract731@c...> wrote:

>   vlus:
> 
> Any quick advice on what tweaking of the module setting gave the 
> optimum results?
> 
> donn

Thank you,

Don

On Dec 5, 2004, at 6:05 PM, vl2000_us wrote:

>
>  donn... man its been a long and ongoing process.  i imagine it will
>  also be somewhat different for different setups.  for example i use a
>  gibralter rack (rock solid) and have a rock solid drum riser, so i'm
>  getting away with little if any rejection settings from crosstalk.
>
>  now, if you set up on a loose stage or riser, you may have to tighten
>  down the rejection settings.
>
>  i am basically working with self rejection set to the min which is
>  5ms on pretty much everything.  wish i could get it to zero, in fact.
>
>  i have found that i get best results with gains set nearly maxed on
>  the harts.  that may change with more tweaking, but i have for most
>  of my kit programs, my yamaha toms set at 32, my hart toms at 57, my
>  hart snare at 57 and my yam snare at either 45 or 63 depending on
>  what i'm trying to do with it.
>
>  i use the hart snare as my main.  i use the yam snare as either a
>  specialty snare (ex: big fat 80s rock sound) at which case i run it
>  at 45, because the yamahas seem 'hotter' than the hart.  i have to
>  run the hart at 57 to be approx same vol as the yam at 45.
>
>  on the other hand sometimes i use the yam snare as a special fx
>  trigger (ex: hand clap, bells, etc) so i run the gain to 63.  when i
>  do that, i'll also set the volume where i want it for the voice, and
>  i'll usually set the velocity at min-126 max -127, that way i always
>  get full force FX even if i mis-strike the pad
>
>  i had a full band rehearsal today after really torquing the heads
>  down tite on the harts.  the reason for this, as i posted earlier, is
>  i had one tom and the snare, periodically drop a hit.  really throws
>  me off when that happens and it was buggin the shit out of me.
>
>  i tried every rejection combination, against itself, the rack, other
>  drums, etc... i'm finally convinced (well almost convinced) that
>  these heads like to be a quite a bit tighter than i've ever had my
>  acoustics, almost to the point where i feel like they're too tight. 
>  but... no dropped hits today, and i was hammering unusually hard
>  today because bass player was cranked.
>
>  i'm not sure if the looser head was causing the stick to over drive
>  the trigger, or, if the looser head was creating too much extra
>  vibration that was within the 5ms minimum self rejection setting and
>  hence cancelling the next hit.  (thats why i mentioned earlier about
>  wishing i could take self reject to zero just to experiment)
>
>  what else... i've managed to get the kit where i'm running all the
>  special rejections at 0 from any other drum, as well.
>
>  I built my own snake for cable management so i can very quickly wire
>  the whole set properly.  (i dont use any of the channels as labeled :-
>  )
>
>  let me know i can help with anything else.  right now the only thing
>  i want to figure out is if i can put wipe or spray something on that
>  beautiful chrome finish on the harts.  they are going to occasionally
>  spend a few days in the cold band truck and i dont want the
>  condensation to start pitting the surface.  thinking some kind of wax
>  or something.
>
>  overall i'm thrilled with my combo hart/yam kit.
>
>
>
>  good luck-
>  vlus
> http://www.MonstersOfRock.info
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Don <contract731@c...> wrote:
>  >   vlus:
>  >
>  > Any quick advice on what tweaking of the module setting gave the
>  > optimum results?
>  >
>  > donn
>
>
>
>
>
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Don Pokorny