Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi, I own a DTXpress III.
Can anybody shed some light on why the sound of my kick drum drops
out when hitting the cymbals or toms at the same time?

Is this a factory fault or is it as simple as adjusting my settings?

Could someone respond to this problem?

Thanks

I have a DTXtreme IIS, and the same thing happens. When I tried the 
demo kit in the store, the same thing happened, the sales clerk told 
me it was a bad cable. Anyone have any ideas? I don't understand how 
these can be marketed as professional if this is an inherent flaw. 


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Chris . B." <mmhs@...> wrote:

>
> Hi, I own a DTXpress III.
> Can anybody shed some light on why the sound of my kick drum drops
> out when hitting the cymbals or toms at the same time?
> 
> Is this a factory fault or is it as simple as adjusting my settings?
> 
> Could someone respond to this problem?
> 
> Thanks
>

Hi

I've had this problem and it has been covered in previous mailings.  Check out the archives and you'll see some tech talk about it.

I resolved mine by looking at the sensitivity settings (not being too technically minded, I cannot recall, off hand the actual buttons to press!).  Rest assured that you can sort the problem out.

Mark

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Chris . B." <mmhs@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, I own a DTXpress III.
> Can anybody shed some light on why the sound of my kick drum drops
> out when hitting the cymbals or toms at the same time?
> 
> Is this a factory fault or is it as simple as adjusting my settings?
> 
> Could someone respond to this problem?

I think you haven't had many replies because the problem isn't common.
 I have never had problems between the kick and other pads - the kick
is probably the best isolated pad from all others, but then I drum on
carpet.

Keith.

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I rather like the crack in mine.
It's probably what made it possible for me to buy my floor model 
DTXpress1 for $239.00 three or four years ago. 
fyi... it's never affected the performance, just in case you can't find 
a replacement glass.

> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Chris . B." <mmhs@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I own a DTXpress III.
>> Can anybody shed some light on why the sound of my kick drum drops
>> out when hitting the cymbals or toms at the same time?
>>
>> Is this a factory fault or is it as simple as adjusting my settings?
>>
>> Could someone respond to this problem?
>
> I think you haven't had many replies because the problem isn't common.
>  I have never had problems between the kick and other pads - the kick
> is probably the best isolated pad from all others, but then I drum on
> carpet.

I dunno, I've always sensed this happens sometimes but it's so
difficult to replicate.

I'm thinking it's a design issue at chip level .. perhaps hitting too
many things simultaneously is too much for the chip/brain to deal
with. But then I work with computers so that's where my thoughts would
initially go.

So I'm with you, I just don't have any answers.

J

> I'm thinking it's a design issue at chip level .. perhaps hitting too
> many things simultaneously is too much for the chip/brain to deal
> with. But then I work with computers so that's where my thoughts would
> initially go.

There is a limit to how many "voices" the module can play, but that
usually manifests itself as a cutting out of an existing sound, I think.

It is possible it is a faulty kick drum pad - it would be difficult to
tell if it only fails when you hit the high-hat unless it does it
often enough to be reproducible.

Other than that, all I can suggest is to reduce the specific and cross
rejection settings on the kick drum.

Keith.

>
>> I'm thinking it's a design issue at chip level .. perhaps hitting
>> too
>> many things simultaneously is too much for the chip/brain to deal
>> with. But then I work with computers so that's where my thoughts
>> would
>> initially go.
>
> There is a limit to how many "voices" the module can play, but that
> usually manifests itself as a cutting out of an existing sound, I
> think.

Is there a fixed limit or is it just a matter of resources?

Isn't the cutting out of an existing sound what we're talking about?
Obviously we'd describe it that way if hitting loads of things cut out
a cymbal fade, but if there wasn't a cymbal fade and everything being
played was percussive and short, and one dropped out, that would be
the problem effect wouldn't it?

I'm sure I used to notice it with other combinations but since we only
have so many limbs it tends to require the addition of the bass drum
to get the effect.

J

> Is there a fixed limit or is it just a matter of resources?

As far as I know it is a fixed 32 note polyphony limit.
 
> Isn't the cutting out of an existing sound what we're talking about?

Yes, I think so, which is why I don't think the limit to the number of
voices would sound like the kick not working when you hit the hi-hat.

Keith.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Mose <mose@...> wrote:
>
> It took a few days to reply to you, but I do want to thank you for 
the 
> information you promised. You are good on your word.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Bob 'Mose' Marsley
> 
> At 08:28 PM 2/28/2006, you wrote:
> >Hi Bob,
> >
> >As promised, here's the part number that you can order from 
Yamaha.
> >V3604900
> >
> >cheers!!
> >
Just to add to the spare part numbers list..... the Black end caps 
for a DTXpress III rack are V8232100 £1.12 each at time of writing 
(plus £3 handling charge per order direct from Yamaha).

Cheers 
Paul