Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Searching through the archives I found a lot of the same kinds of 
problems with the KP60 that I asked about last week, particularly 
dropouts, regardless of gain, rejection, and min. vel. settings. Is 
the Pintech Verikik more reliable?  What else have people done?

Ed

--- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@m...> wrote:
> Searching through the archives I found a lot of the same kinds of 
> problems with the KP60 that I asked about last week, particularly 
> dropouts, regardless of gain, rejection, and min. vel. settings. 
Is 
> the Pintech Verikik more reliable?  What else have people done?
> 
>
 Ed





I found with my KP60, that a hard beater instead of felt one, along 
with the right tweek of the parmeters, works best. Hope that helps 
ya.


lockhart69t

Hi Ed,

Here's my two cents worth -

I have both a Vertikik and a KP60 (although it was nuetered by a 
previous owner, removing the polarity and sensitivity electronics), 
and I would say they are dead even in performance, and I have not had 
dropouts with either.  

Walt

--- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@m...> wrote:

> Searching through the archives I found a lot of the same kinds of 
> problems with the KP60 that I asked about last week, particularly 
> dropouts, regardless of gain, rejection, and min. vel. settings. Is 
> the Pintech Verikik more reliable?  What else have people done?
> 
> Ed

--- wgardus <wgardus@...> wrote:
> Hi Ed,
> 
> Here's my two cents worth -
> 
> I have both a Vertikik and a KP60 (although it was
> nuetered by a 
> previous owner, removing the polarity and
> sensitivity electronics), 
> and I would say they are dead even in performance,
> and I have not had 
> dropouts with either.  
> 
> Walt

Regarding your post, what is a Vertikik?

Thanks,

Bach Melick
tmelick@...



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Hi Bach,

I thought I had sent a reply, but I didn't see it post so let me send 
it again.

It is a Pintech kick pad, similar to the KP60.  Here's a link:

http://www.pintechusa.com/New_Pintech_Si/vk10.html

Walt

--- In DTXpress@y..., "T. Bach Melick" <tmelick@y...> wrote:

> --- wgardus <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Ed,
> > 
> > Here's my two cents worth -
> > 
> > I have both a Vertikik and a KP60 (although it was
> > nuetered by a 
> > previous owner, removing the polarity and
> > sensitivity electronics), 
> > and I would say they are dead even in performance,
> > and I have not had 
> > dropouts with either.  
> > 
> > Walt
> 
> Regarding your post, what is a Vertikik?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bach Melick
> tmelick@y...
> 
> 
> 
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Hi Walt,

I remember you writing about your neutered KP60 before. Frankly, I 
wouldn't be surprised if your good fortune were related to what your 
KP60 is missing. Anyone with experience in audio knows that the less 
complicated the signal path is, the more faithful the signal will 
be. I don't know whether that's what's going on with mine, though. 
My first KP60--not this one--was a complete dud. Midwest Percussion 
put me directly in touch with Yamaha ("Dave," but not the earlier 
Yamaha "Dave" from the archives). He suggested that applying a hot 
soldering iron to the connections might do the trick; it didn't. He 
then sent a new sensor, and when that failed, he sent a new unit 
altogether. Something in the circuit board obviously wasn't right. 
Yamaha was very nice and very prompt about everything. But the KP60 
appears to be a weak link. My new one is by no means terrible, but a 
dropout at any time is frustrating. Hopefully, as lockhardt 
suggests, the right tweak is waiting. otherwise, if I get cranky 
enough, so long to my sensitivity and polarity controls--and 
probably my warranty. But don't get me wrong. I love this thing.

--- In DTXpress@y..., "wgardus" <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> Hi Ed,
> 
> Here's my two cents worth -
> 
> I have both a Vertikik and a KP60 (although it was nuetered by a 
> previous owner, removing the polarity and sensitivity 
electronics), 
> and I would say they are dead even in performance, and I have not 
had 
> dropouts with either.  
> 
> Walt
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@m...> wrote:
> > Searching through the archives I found a lot of the same kinds 
of 
> > problems with the KP60 that I asked about last week, 
particularly 
> > dropouts, regardless of gain, rejection, and min. vel. settings. 
Is 

> > the Pintech Verikik more reliable?  What else have people done?
> > 
> > Ed

Hi Ed,

I agree, especially if the tolerances on the pots
isn't  especially tight - banging on them could easily
cause a drop out in my mind...
--- liberatusvirus <edtyct@...> wrote:
> Hi Walt,
> 
> I remember you writing about your neutered KP60
> before. Frankly, I 
> wouldn't be surprised if your good fortune were
> related to what your 
> KP60 is missing. Anyone with experience in audio
> knows that the less 
> complicated the signal path is, the more faithful
> the signal will 
> be. I don't know whether that's what's going on with
> mine, though. 
> My first KP60--not this one--was a complete dud.
> Midwest Percussion 
> put me directly in touch with Yamaha ("Dave," but
> not the earlier 
> Yamaha "Dave" from the archives). He suggested that
> applying a hot 
> soldering iron to the connections might do the
> trick; it didn't. He 
> then sent a new sensor, and when that failed, he
> sent a new unit 
> altogether. Something in the circuit board obviously
> wasn't right. 
> Yamaha was very nice and very prompt about
> everything. But the KP60 
> appears to be a weak link. My new one is by no means
> terrible, but a 
> dropout at any time is frustrating. Hopefully, as
> lockhardt 
> suggests, the right tweak is waiting. otherwise, if
> I get cranky 
> enough, so long to my sensitivity and polarity
> controls--and 
> probably my warranty. But don't get me wrong. I love
> this thing.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "wgardus" <wgardus@y...>
> wrote:
> > Hi Ed,
> > 
> > Here's my two cents worth -
> > 
> > I have both a Vertikik and a KP60 (although it was
> nuetered by a 
> > previous owner, removing the polarity and
> sensitivity 
> electronics), 
> > and I would say they are dead even in performance,
> and I have not 
> had 
> > dropouts with either.  
> > 
> > Walt
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus"
> <edtyct@m...> wrote:
> > > Searching through the archives I found a lot of
> the same kinds 
> of 
> > > problems with the KP60 that I asked about last
> week, 
> particularly 
> > > dropouts, regardless of gain, rejection, and
> min. vel. settings. 
> Is 
> > > the Pintech Verikik more reliable?  What else
> have people done?
> > > 
> > > Ed
> 
> 


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the pintect vertikick is extremely reliable.  I also
found that the kick trigger that comes with the roland
v-club kit is very reliable as well, its also pretty
sensitive for as cheap as it is. Unfortunately you
need a bent-shaft beater for it, I don't know if that
would be included with it if you bought one.  Another
thing that works well is if you have a remo tunable
practice pad with a pedal mount.  Replace the coated
head with a mesh one take all of the foam out of it
and buy a small hart brand 1/2" trigger and mount it
to the mesh head just how the instructions say.  It's
cheap and won't miss-trigger or cut out but you have
to be careful if you use it for gigs, you will need a
spare mesh head with a pick up already mounted incase
you break it.


--- liberatusvirus <edtyct@...> wrote:
> Searching through the archives I found a lot of the
> same kinds of 
> problems with the KP60 that I asked about last week,
> particularly 
> dropouts, regardless of gain, rejection, and min.
> vel. settings. Is 
> the Pintech Verikik more reliable?  What else have
> people done?
> 
> Ed
> 
> 


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Thanks, Joseph. It's good to know what's out there that works, 
including diy.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@y..., Joseph Palacki <palacki808@y...> wrote:

> the pintect vertikick is extremely reliable.  I also
> found that the kick trigger that comes with the roland
> v-club kit is very reliable as well, its also pretty
> sensitive for as cheap as it is. Unfortunately you
> need a bent-shaft beater for it, I don't know if that
> would be included with it if you bought one.  Another
> thing that works well is if you have a remo tunable
> practice pad with a pedal mount.  Replace the coated
> head with a mesh one take all of the foam out of it
> and buy a small hart brand 1/2" trigger and mount it
> to the mesh head just how the instructions say.  It's
> cheap and won't miss-trigger or cut out but you have
> to be careful if you use it for gigs, you will need a
> spare mesh head with a pick up already mounted incase
> you break it.
> 
> 
> --- liberatusvirus <edtyct@m...> wrote:
> > Searching through the archives I found a lot of the
> > same kinds of 
> > problems with the KP60 that I asked about last week,
> > particularly 
> > dropouts, regardless of gain, rejection, and min.
> > vel. settings. Is 
> > the Pintech Verikik more reliable?  What else have
> > people done?
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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No problem.  Electric drums aren't very common and
unfortunately that means people who have a great deal
of knowledge are in short supply.  That's why if I can
answer the question I will give up every bit of info I
can.  I have built several triggers of my own in the
past year and have learned a good bit.  If you have
any more questions about triggers don't hesitate to
email me.  I'll do my best to find an answer. 
Unfortunately though I know close to nothing about
midi.  I may be asking you and some of the other users
in the group alot of questions in the up and coming
year.  -Joe

--- liberatusvirus <edtyct@...> wrote:
> Thanks, Joseph. It's good to know what's out there
> that works, 
> including diy.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@y..., Joseph Palacki
> <palacki808@y...> wrote:
> > the pintect vertikick is extremely reliable.  I
> also
> > found that the kick trigger that comes with the
> roland
> > v-club kit is very reliable as well, its also
> pretty
> > sensitive for as cheap as it is. Unfortunately you
> > need a bent-shaft beater for it, I don't know if
> that
> > would be included with it if you bought one. 
> Another
> > thing that works well is if you have a remo
> tunable
> > practice pad with a pedal mount.  Replace the
> coated
> > head with a mesh one take all of the foam out of
> it
> > and buy a small hart brand 1/2" trigger and mount
> it
> > to the mesh head just how the instructions say. 
> It's
> > cheap and won't miss-trigger or cut out but you
> have
> > to be careful if you use it for gigs, you will
> need a
> > spare mesh head with a pick up already mounted
> incase
> > you break it.
> > 
> > 
> > --- liberatusvirus <edtyct@m...> wrote:
> > > Searching through the archives I found a lot of
> the
> > > same kinds of 
> > > problems with the KP60 that I asked about last
> week,
> > > particularly 
> > > dropouts, regardless of gain, rejection, and
> min.
> > > vel. settings. Is 
> > > the Pintech Verikik more reliable?  What else
> have
> > > people done?
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
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Mine was intermittent ( drop outs, etc. ).
At first i thought the piezo was bad so I replaced it -- no go..
I resoldered the whole PCB - no go...
I replace the resistors on the PCB - that did it..

I remember many years ago an insertion machine in a factory
that was putting stress on the leads of some diodes, causing
intermittent failures in the field - this may be a similar issue.

either way - $1 worth of radio shack parts and life is good.
It's actually better now than ever...

BTW- i use a felt beater.

lockhart69t wrote:

> --- In DTXpress@y..., "liberatusvirus" <edtyct@m...> wrote:
> > Searching through the archives I found a lot of the same kinds of
> > problems with the KP60 that I asked about last week, particularly
> > dropouts, regardless of gain, rejection, and min. vel. settings.
> Is
> > the Pintech Verikik more reliable?  What else have people done?
> >
> >
>  Ed
>
> I found with my KP60, that a hard beater instead of felt one, along
> with the right tweek of the parmeters, works best. Hope that helps
> ya.
>
> lockhart69t
>
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