Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi group 

i just want to have an answer to this question because i buyed a cy14-
c v-cymbal and i dont know how to use it in the dtxpress sound module 
could anyone help me thanx for your help and ahave a happy new year

Hi Ivan,

I have never used a CY14, but I believe that it has dual triggers, 
one for the edge and one for the bow.  As such, it can be set up 
similarly to the Yamaha PCY80S or 65S stereo cymbals with separate 
voice parameters for each trigger. Inputs 6 or 7 are the likely 
candidates, but it will work in any of inputs 1 through 8. In 9/10, 
only the bow will sound, since neither of them allows for a rim.  
Since Roland cymbals are manufactured to mate primarily with Roland 
modules, it may take some trigger/voice tweaking to get the CY14 
working to your satisfaction, but it should come around. My little 
CY6 runs well through the DTXPU.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "ivan_mangini <sabian_pro13@h...>" 
<sabian_pro13@h...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi group 
> 
> i just want to have an answer to this question because i buyed a 
cy14-
> c v-cymbal and i dont know how to use it in the dtxpress sound 
module 
> could anyone help me thanx for your help and ahave a happy new year

STEREO, not Dual. Dual implies two piezos. I don't know what the CY14 
is, but if it is like the pcy60s, it is stereo. Your AX14S is Dual.
Picky, picky, picky....Scott

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
<liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Hi Ivan,
> 
> I have never used a CY14, but I believe that it has dual triggers, 
> one for the edge and one for the bow.  As such, it can be set up 
> similarly to the Yamaha PCY80S or 65S stereo cymbals with separate 
> voice parameters for each trigger. Inputs 6 or 7 are the likely 
> candidates, but it will work in any of inputs 1 through 8. In 9/10, 
> only the bow will sound, since neither of them allows for a rim.  
> Since Roland cymbals are manufactured to mate primarily with Roland 
> modules, it may take some trigger/voice tweaking to get the CY14 
> working to your satisfaction, but it should come around. My little 
> CY6 runs well through the DTXPU.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "ivan_mangini <sabian_pro13@h...>" 
> <sabian_pro13@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Hi group 
> > 
> > i just want to have an answer to this question because i buyed a 
> cy14-
> > c v-cymbal and i dont know how to use it in the dtxpress sound 
> module 
> > could anyone help me thanx for your help and ahave a happy new 
year

Scott,

Absolutely right. The CY14 is stereo, not dual zone. Not even the 
various companies and stores are precise about the terminology. I've 
tried to keep the distinction in my posts, but I buckled under the 
pressure. 

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger <artifax@i...>" 
<artifax@i...> wrote:
> STEREO, not Dual. Dual implies two piezos. I don't know what the 
CY14 
> is, but if it is like the pcy60s, it is stereo. Your AX14S is Dual.
> Picky, picky, picky....Scott
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Ivan,
> > 
> > I have never used a CY14, but I believe that it has dual 
triggers, 
> > one for the edge and one for the bow.  As such, it can be set up 
> > similarly to the Yamaha PCY80S or 65S stereo cymbals with 
separate 
> > voice parameters for each trigger. Inputs 6 or 7 are the likely 
> > candidates, but it will work in any of inputs 1 through 8. In 
9/10, 
> > only the bow will sound, since neither of them allows for a 
rim.  
> > Since Roland cymbals are manufactured to mate primarily with 
Roland 
> > modules, it may take some trigger/voice tweaking to get the CY14 
> > working to your satisfaction, but it should come around. My 
little 
> > CY6 runs well through the DTXPU.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "ivan_mangini 
<sabian_pro13@h...>" 
> > <sabian_pro13@h...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi group 
> > > 
> > > i just want to have an answer to this question because i buyed 
a 

> > cy14-
> > > c v-cymbal and i dont know how to use it in the dtxpress sound 
> > module 
> > > could anyone help me thanx for your help and ahave a happy new 
> year

Yeah. What's the deal with that? Most companies call them dual-zone, 
without making a clear distinction. They should get their act 
together, if at least so WE have a fighting chance of knowing 
what we want, and then getting what we want!!!
As for your posts, You are a very generous, informative and helpful 
poster! Thanks!
Scott

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
<liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Scott,
> 
> Absolutely right. The CY14 is stereo, not dual zone. Not even the 
> various companies and stores are precise about the terminology. I've 
> tried to keep the distinction in my posts, but I buckled under the 
> pressure. 
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger <artifax@i...>" 
> <artifax@i...> wrote:
> > STEREO, not Dual. Dual implies two piezos. I don't know what the 
> CY14 
> > is, but if it is like the pcy60s, it is stereo. Your AX14S is 
Dual.

> > Picky, picky, picky....Scott
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi Ivan,
> > > 
> > > I have never used a CY14, but I believe that it has dual 
> triggers, 
> > > one for the edge and one for the bow.  As such, it can be set up 
> > > similarly to the Yamaha PCY80S or 65S stereo cymbals with 
> separate 
> > > voice parameters for each trigger. Inputs 6 or 7 are the likely 
> > > candidates, but it will work in any of inputs 1 through 8. In 
> 9/10, 
> > > only the bow will sound, since neither of them allows for a 
> rim.  
> > > Since Roland cymbals are manufactured to mate primarily with 
> Roland 
> > > modules, it may take some trigger/voice tweaking to get the CY14 
> > > working to your satisfaction, but it should come around. My 
> little 
> > > CY6 runs well through the DTXPU.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "ivan_mangini 
> <sabian_pro13@h...>" 
> > > <sabian_pro13@h...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hi group 
> > > > 
> > > > i just want to have an answer to this question because i buyed 
> a 
> > > cy14-
> > > > c v-cymbal and i dont know how to use it in the dtxpress sound 
> > > module 
> > > > could anyone help me thanx for your help and ahave a happy new 
> > year

I think that part of the problem is that "stereo" is not really an 
accurate description of a piezo/switch pad. A stereo pad does not 
create a single soundfield from two point sources. "Dual" is clearly 
the better word for piezo/piezo and piezo/rim pads alike, but it's 
impracticable. Until the powers that be agree on terminology, we'll 
have to base our judgments on context or ask questions. So long as 
electronic drums remain a small niche in the music world, no one 
except the poor consumer has any incentive to promote clarity. So 
what else is new?  The same problem has reared its ugly head 
elsewhere. Witness, for example, the indiscriminate use of Dolby 
Surround, Dolby 5.1, Dolby digital, Dolby digital surround, Dolby, 
etc., all to cover a single sonic phenomenon. In the early days, 
only those few who had the playback equipment were able to register 
a complaint, and they hardly mattered.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger <artifax@i...>" 
<artifax@i...> wrote:
> Yeah. What's the deal with that? Most companies call them dual-
zone, 
> without making a clear distinction. They should get their act 
> together, if at least so WE have a fighting chance of knowing 
> what we want, and then getting what we want!!!
> As for your posts, You are a very generous, informative and 
helpful 
> poster! Thanks!
> Scott
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Scott,
> > 
> > Absolutely right. The CY14 is stereo, not dual zone. Not even 
the 
> > various companies and stores are precise about the terminology. 
I've 
> > tried to keep the distinction in my posts, but I buckled under 
the 
> > pressure. 
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger <artifax@i...>" 
> > <artifax@i...> wrote:
> > > STEREO, not Dual. Dual implies two piezos. I don't know what 
the 
> > CY14 
> > > is, but if it is like the pcy60s, it is stereo. Your AX14S is 
> Dual.
> > > Picky, picky, picky....Scott
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Ivan,
> > > > 
> > > > I have never used a CY14, but I believe that it has dual 
> > triggers, 
> > > > one for the edge and one for the bow.  As such, it can be 
set up 
> > > > similarly to the Yamaha PCY80S or 65S stereo cymbals with 
> > separate 
> > > > voice parameters for each trigger. Inputs 6 or 7 are the 
likely 
> > > > candidates, but it will work in any of inputs 1 through 8. 
In 
> > 9/10, 
> > > > only the bow will sound, since neither of them allows for a 
> > rim.  
> > > > Since Roland cymbals are manufactured to mate primarily with 
> > Roland 
> > > > modules, it may take some trigger/voice tweaking to get the 
CY14 
> > > > working to your satisfaction, but it should come around. My 
> > little 
> > > > CY6 runs well through the DTXPU.
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "ivan_mangini 
> > <sabian_pro13@h...>" 
> > > > <sabian_pro13@h...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi group 
> > > > > 
> > > > > i just want to have an answer to this question because i 
buyed 
> > a 
> > > > cy14-
> > > > > c v-cymbal and i dont know how to use it in the dtxpress 
sound 
> > > > module 
> > > > > could anyone help me thanx for your help and ahave a happy 
new 
> > > year