Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi all,

After a month of struggling to adapt the ECII16R to my Yamaha 
module, I've given up. Anyone using Roland or Alesis electronics 
with, or instead of, Yamaha will undoubtedly have better luck. My 
decision to buy it came from Roland users' high recommendations. So 
go figure. Apparently Hart is aware of the incompatibility issue 
(I've now heard that it applies to the ride, the hi hat cymbal, and, 
if someone currently selling on ebay is to be trusted, the 
Acusnare).  I'd rather someone in this group get the chance to make 
use of it than have it go outside the family, unlikely as that 
prospect may be in Yamaha territory. Those who own the DTXPU, DTX2U, 
or DTXTU exclusively need not apply.

Ed

Ed-

Thanks for the information on the Hart cymbal. We all appreciate it. 
I for one would like to let everyone know that the Accusnare does 
work with the Yamaha DTXPU AND DTX2U. I have been using it with great 
success.

Have you tried the Zenbal from Pintech? I've heard great things about 
that cymbal.

Cary

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
<liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> After a month of struggling to adapt the ECII16R to my Yamaha 
> module, I've given up. Anyone using Roland or Alesis electronics 
> with, or instead of, Yamaha will undoubtedly have better luck. My 
> decision to buy it came from Roland users' high recommendations. So 
> go figure. Apparently Hart is aware of the incompatibility issue 
> (I've now heard that it applies to the ride, the hi hat cymbal, 
and, 
> if someone currently selling on ebay is to be trusted, the 
> Acusnare).  I'd rather someone in this group get the chance to make 
> use of it than have it go outside the family, unlikely as that 
> prospect may be in Yamaha territory. Those who own the DTXPU, 
DTX2U, 

> or DTXTU exclusively need not apply.
> 
> Ed

Cary,

That's good to know about the Acusnare; the seller on ebay appears 
to be mistaken. I hope someone using the hats or the ride will 
confirm or deny my report. I know of one person besides me who can't 
get the ride to work well via Yamaha. By the way, I posted about the 
Zenbal a couple of months or so ago. Pound for pound and dollar for 
dollar, I think it's the best cymbal to come down the pike in a long 
time.

Ed


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "chitsman <chitsman@s...>" 
<chitsman@s...> wrote:
> Ed-
> 
> Thanks for the information on the Hart cymbal. We all appreciate 
it. 
> I for one would like to let everyone know that the Accusnare does 
> work with the Yamaha DTXPU AND DTX2U. I have been using it with 
great 
> success.
> 
> Have you tried the Zenbal from Pintech? I've heard great things 
about 
> that cymbal.
> 
> Cary
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus 
> <liberatusvirus@y...>" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > After a month of struggling to adapt the ECII16R to my Yamaha 
> > module, I've given up. Anyone using Roland or Alesis electronics 
> > with, or instead of, Yamaha will undoubtedly have better luck. 
My 
> > decision to buy it came from Roland users' high recommendations. 
So 
> > go figure. Apparently Hart is aware of the incompatibility issue 
> > (I've now heard that it applies to the ride, the hi hat cymbal, 
> and, 
> > if someone currently selling on ebay is to be trusted, the 
> > Acusnare).  I'd rather someone in this group get the chance to 
make 

> > use of it than have it go outside the family, unlikely as that 
> > prospect may be in Yamaha territory. Those who own the DTXPU, 
> DTX2U, 
> > or DTXTU exclusively need not apply.
> > 
> > Ed

I've been quietly watching this thread, but now decided to post my
experiences.

I have a Hart MegaPro set and DTXtreme module. I'm also using the Hart
Ecymbal II's (HH, Ride, 12" and 14" crash w/choke). I've had the kit
since last September and am still tweaking/learning.

When I bought the kit (from Drumbalaya -- highly recommended -- they
are great!), Ed told me they didn't have any experience with Hart kits
mated to a Yamaha DTXtreme and I might have to do some serious tweaking
to get things all sorted out. Since I was in no hurry, I decided to
give it a go.

So far, I have everything triggering and working well except my snare.
It's close, but not quite there yet. I did however get the HH and ride
working after quite a bit of tweaking. The HH was least troublesome,
but the ride took some time. I don't have the specific settings handy
right now but I do recall I serious trouble with cross-triggering on
the bell and ride pad. I messed with the
gain/velocity/rejection/specific rejection for some time until I found
a "sweet spot". Since then, the ride works very well.

I'm swamped with work right now, but if I can sneak away a little time
I'll try to post the final trigger settings I'm using for the HH and
ride cymbals.

I had virtually no problems with the two crash cymbals, although I find
the choke function to be kind of hit/miss. Probably user error
though...

Matt 

On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:17:10 -0000, liberatusvirus "
<liberatusvirus@...>\ufffdwrote:

>\ufffdCary, 
>\ufffd
>\ufffdThat's good to know about the Acusnare; the seller on ebay appears to
>\ufffdbe mistaken. I hope someone using the hats or the ride will confirm
>\ufffdor deny my report. I know of one person besides me who can't get the
>\ufffdride to work well via Yamaha. By the way, I posted about the Zenbal a
>\ufffdcouple of months or so ago. Pound for pound and dollar for dollar, I
>\ufffdthink it's the best cymbal to come down the pike in a long time.
>\ufffd
>\ufffd
>\ufffdEd 
>\ufffd
>\ufffd
>\ufffd
>\ufffd--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "chitsman <chitsman@s...>" 
>\ufffd<chitsman@s...>\ufffdwrote:
>\ufffd>\ufffdEd-
>\ufffd>\ufffd
>\ufffd>\ufffd
>\ufffd>\ufffdThanks for the information on the Hart cymbal. We all appreciate
>\ufffdit.
>\ufffd>\ufffdI for one would like to let everyone know that the Accusnare does 
>\ufffd>\ufffdwork with the Yamaha DTXPU AND DTX2U. I have been using it with
>\ufffdgreat
>\ufffd>\ufffdsuccess.
>\ufffd>\ufffd
>\ufffd>\ufffd
>\ufffd>\ufffdHave you tried the Zenbal from Pintech? I've heard great things
>\ufffdabout
>\ufffd>\ufffdthat cymbal.
>\ufffd>\ufffd
>\ufffd>\ufffd
>\ufffd>\ufffdCary

Boy, this is getting good. Those settings for the hh and ride may 
prove invaluable. I may have breached ebay etiquette by asking the 
seller of the hh and snare by email who exactly at Hart confirmed 
the compatibility problem. My ride is going through the DTXPU (at 
least until my midiKITI returns from the hospital). But Walt uses 
the DTXTU, and he can't get his ride to work satisfactorily either. 
My problem isn't crosstalk but just getting the thing to make enough 
noise and trigger consistently. I'm pretty patient, but a month of 
tweaking is enough for me. The Zenbal, for instance, was up and 
running immediately, with cosmetic tweaking along the way, which is 
only to be expected. 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Matt Pobursky <ccsuser@m...> wrote:
> I've been quietly watching this thread, but now decided to post my
> experiences.
> 
> I have a Hart MegaPro set and DTXtreme module. I'm also using the 
Hart
> Ecymbal II's (HH, Ride, 12" and 14" crash w/choke). I've had the 
kit
> since last September and am still tweaking/learning.
> 
> When I bought the kit (from Drumbalaya -- highly recommended -- 
they
> are great!), Ed told me they didn't have any experience with Hart 
kits
> mated to a Yamaha DTXtreme and I might have to do some serious 
tweaking
> to get things all sorted out. Since I was in no hurry, I decided to
> give it a go.
> 
> So far, I have everything triggering and working well except my 
snare.
> It's close, but not quite there yet. I did however get the HH and 
ride
> working after quite a bit of tweaking. The HH was least 
troublesome,
> but the ride took some time. I don't have the specific settings 
handy
> right now but I do recall I serious trouble with cross-triggering 
on
> the bell and ride pad. I messed with the
> gain/velocity/rejection/specific rejection for some time until I 
found
> a "sweet spot". Since then, the ride works very well.
> 
> I'm swamped with work right now, but if I can sneak away a little 
time
> I'll try to post the final trigger settings I'm using for the HH 
and
> ride cymbals.
> 
> I had virtually no problems with the two crash cymbals, although I 
find
> the choke function to be kind of hit/miss. Probably user error
> though...
> 
> Matt 
> 
> On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:17:10 -0000, liberatusvirus "
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Cary, 
> > 
> > That's good to know about the Acusnare; the seller on ebay 
appears to
> > be mistaken. I hope someone using the hats or the ride will 
confirm
> > or deny my report. I know of one person besides me who can't get 
the
> > ride to work well via Yamaha. By the way, I posted about the 
Zenbal a
> > couple of months or so ago. Pound for pound and dollar for 
dollar, I
> > think it's the best cymbal to come down the pike in a long time.
> > 
> > 
> > Ed 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "chitsman <chitsman@s...>" 
> > <chitsman@s...> wrote:
> > > Ed-
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the information on the Hart cymbal. We all 
appreciate
> > it.
> > > I for one would like to let everyone know that the Accusnare 
does 

> > > work with the Yamaha DTXPU AND DTX2U. I have been using it with
> > great
> > > success.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Have you tried the Zenbal from Pintech? I've heard great things
> > about
> > > that cymbal.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Cary

I communicated with the ebay seller of the Hart hh and Acusnare. He 
couldn't get them to work with the DTX v2.0. He spoke with someone 
at Hart who claimed that the company was aware of the problems with 
the DTX line and currently working on solving them (no one at Hart 
has yet returned my call). I'm on the verge of parting with my ride, 
but if someone has a possible fix, or successful trigger/pad/voice 
setup, I'd love to try it. Hart is a great company that makes very 
good equipment.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Matt Pobursky <ccsuser@m...> wrote:
> I've been quietly watching this thread, but now decided to post my
> experiences.
> 
> I have a Hart MegaPro set and DTXtreme module. I'm also using the 
Hart
> Ecymbal II's (HH, Ride, 12" and 14" crash w/choke). I've had the 
kit
> since last September and am still tweaking/learning.
> 
> When I bought the kit (from Drumbalaya -- highly recommended -- 
they
> are great!), Ed told me they didn't have any experience with Hart 
kits
> mated to a Yamaha DTXtreme and I might have to do some serious 
tweaking
> to get things all sorted out. Since I was in no hurry, I decided to
> give it a go.
> 
> So far, I have everything triggering and working well except my 
snare.
> It's close, but not quite there yet. I did however get the HH and 
ride
> working after quite a bit of tweaking. The HH was least 
troublesome,
> but the ride took some time. I don't have the specific settings 
handy
> right now but I do recall I serious trouble with cross-triggering 
on
> the bell and ride pad. I messed with the
> gain/velocity/rejection/specific rejection for some time until I 
found
> a "sweet spot". Since then, the ride works very well.
> 
> I'm swamped with work right now, but if I can sneak away a little 
time
> I'll try to post the final trigger settings I'm using for the HH 
and
> ride cymbals.
> 
> I had virtually no problems with the two crash cymbals, although I 
find
> the choke function to be kind of hit/miss. Probably user error
> though...
> 
> Matt 
> 
> On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:17:10 -0000, liberatusvirus "
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Cary, 
> > 
> > That's good to know about the Acusnare; the seller on ebay 
appears to
> > be mistaken. I hope someone using the hats or the ride will 
confirm
> > or deny my report. I know of one person besides me who can't get 
the
> > ride to work well via Yamaha. By the way, I posted about the 
Zenbal a
> > couple of months or so ago. Pound for pound and dollar for 
dollar, I
> > think it's the best cymbal to come down the pike in a long time.
> > 
> > 
> > Ed 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "chitsman <chitsman@s...>" 
> > <chitsman@s...> wrote:
> > > Ed-
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the information on the Hart cymbal. We all 
appreciate
> > it.
> > > I for one would like to let everyone know that the Accusnare 
does 

> > > work with the Yamaha DTXPU AND DTX2U. I have been using it with
> > great
> > > success.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Have you tried the Zenbal from Pintech? I've heard great things
> > about
> > > that cymbal.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Cary

Hey Y'all,
   I've managed to integrate Hart equipment into my
DTX 2.0 quite well. It took time and asking lots of
trigger and voice editing questions. I'm going to try
to put it in a nutshell for you, as I'm currently
working six eleven hour days a week.  I'm using a dual
trigger Accupad for my snare, using a Hosa yp117
splitter into inputs one and ten, so I actually only
play(user editable) kits one through thirtytwo.When I
want to use a kit from kits 32 through 64, I save my
trigger edits to a kit in 1-32. I also use the Hart
series ten ride, splitting the dual signal into inputs
11 and 12, and a series ten crash into input 6 and a
hart ECymbal into input 7. I also use the Hart kick
drum. I use the rest of the tp80s for everything else.
the pcys are in a bin somewhere and Drumbalaya has my
old kicks.
    I went into trigger edit mode on every kit,and,
using both the DTX manual and the 2.0 update
supplement, I started out by going to trigger edit
page eleven and reassigning the triggers as follows:
    Accupad head: voice 31
    Accupad rim:  voice 34
    Left crash:   voice 49
    Right crash:  voice 55
    Series Ten ride: main trigger gets voice 59(?) and
then the bell gets whatever the pcy rim triggered(I
think 53 0r 56.)
    You can get the details in the back of your
manual, the info I've provided is just to get you
started. If you screw it up, reinitialize your module
and try it again. Once you familiarize yourself with
your module's layout, you will be alot more
confortable with it. BTW, say "HI" to Binky and Paul
for me the next time you talk to Hart. I plan to send
a wiring/trigger edit map of my kit to the group as
well as to the guys at Hart. I haven't gotten to it
yet, because I'm so busy right now and the fact that
although this may be very useful info,I AM working
with a module that Yamaha no longer sells.
        Good Luck,                                    
Brian (aka SupraMan!)    
 --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...>"
<liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> I communicated with the ebay seller of the Hart hh
> and Acusnare. He 
> couldn't get them to work with the DTX v2.0. He
> spoke with someone 
> at Hart who claimed that the company was aware of
> the problems with 
> the DTX line and currently working on solving them
> (no one at Hart 
> has yet returned my call). I'm on the verge of
> parting with my ride, 
> but if someone has a possible fix, or successful
> trigger/pad/voice 
> setup, I'd love to try it. Hart is a great company
> that makes very 
> good equipment.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Matt Pobursky
> <ccsuser@m...> wrote:
> > I've been quietly watching this thread, but now
> decided to post my
> > experiences.
> > 
> > I have a Hart MegaPro set and DTXtreme module. I'm
> also using the 
> Hart
> > Ecymbal II's (HH, Ride, 12" and 14" crash
> w/choke). I've had the 
> kit
> > since last September and am still
> tweaking/learning.
> > 
> > When I bought the kit (from Drumbalaya -- highly
> recommended -- 
> they
> > are great!), Ed told me they didn't have any
> experience with Hart 
> kits
> > mated to a Yamaha DTXtreme and I might have to do
> some serious 
> tweaking
> > to get things all sorted out. Since I was in no
> hurry, I decided to
> > give it a go.
> > 
> > So far, I have everything triggering and working
> well except my 
> snare.
> > It's close, but not quite there yet. I did however
> get the HH and 
> ride
> > working after quite a bit of tweaking. The HH was
> least 
> troublesome,
> > but the ride took some time. I don't have the
> specific settings 
> handy
> > right now but I do recall I serious trouble with
> cross-triggering 
> on
> > the bell and ride pad. I messed with the
> > gain/velocity/rejection/specific rejection for
> some time until I 
> found
> > a "sweet spot". Since then, the ride works very
> well.
> > 
> > I'm swamped with work right now, but if I can
> sneak away a little 
> time
> > I'll try to post the final trigger settings I'm
> using for the HH 
> and
> > ride cymbals.
> > 
> > I had virtually no problems with the two crash
> cymbals, although I 
> find
> > the choke function to be kind of hit/miss.
> Probably user error
> > though...
> > 
> > Matt 
> > 
> > On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:17:10 -0000, liberatusvirus
> "
> > <liberatusvirus@y...>\ufffdwrote:
> > >\ufffdCary, 
> > >\ufffd
> > >\ufffdThat's good to know about the Acusnare; the
> seller on ebay 
> appears to
> > >\ufffdbe mistaken. I hope someone using the hats or
> the ride will 
> confirm
> > >\ufffdor deny my report. I know of one person besides
> me who can't get 
> the
> > >\ufffdride to work well via Yamaha. By the way, I
> posted about the 
> Zenbal a
> > >\ufffdcouple of months or so ago. Pound for pound and
> dollar for 
> dollar, I
> > >\ufffdthink it's the best cymbal to come down the pike
> in a long time.
> > >\ufffd
> > >\ufffd
> > >\ufffdEd 
> > >\ufffd
> > >\ufffd
> > >\ufffd
> > >\ufffd--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "chitsman
> <chitsman@s...>" 
> > >\ufffd<chitsman@s...>\ufffdwrote:
> > >\ufffd>\ufffdEd-
> > >\ufffd>\ufffd
> > >\ufffd>\ufffd
> > >\ufffd>\ufffdThanks for the information on the Hart cymbal.
> We all 
> appreciate
> > >\ufffdit.
> > >\ufffd>\ufffdI for one would like to let everyone know that
> the Accusnare 
> does 
> > >\ufffd>\ufffdwork with the Yamaha DTXPU AND DTX2U. I have
> been using it with
> > >\ufffdgreat
> > >\ufffd>\ufffdsuccess.
> > >\ufffd>\ufffd
> > >\ufffd>\ufffd
> > >\ufffd>\ufffdHave you tried the Zenbal from Pintech? I've
> heard great things
> > >\ufffdabout
> > >\ufffd>\ufffdthat cymbal.
> > >\ufffd>\ufffd
> > >\ufffd>\ufffd
> > >\ufffd>\ufffdCary
> 
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Hi Brian, thanks for the info. It's good to know that that certain 
Hart products and Yamaha electronics can play nice together. My 
problem was with the newer bronze ride cymbal, and I wasn't alone. 
Others have had difficulty integrating the metal hats and the 
Acusnare. If ever there was a cymbal that I wanted to keep, it was 
the ECII ride, but it wasn't to be. A happy Roland TD8 user now owns 
what was once mine. Another member of this group (and of others) who 
uses the DTXTU has been discussing the compatibility issue with 
Peter Hart. It can only help. It would be nice to see e-drum makers 
taking account of both Roland and Yamaha in their designs when 
possible. It's starting to happen. Stay tuned.


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Briaan Storm <drumminbrian@y...> 
wrote:

> Hey Y'all,
>    I've managed to integrate Hart equipment into my
> DTX 2.0 quite well. It took time and asking lots of
> trigger and voice editing questions. I'm going to try
> to put it in a nutshell for you, as I'm currently
> working six eleven hour days a week.  I'm using a dual
> trigger Accupad for my snare, using a Hosa yp117
> splitter into inputs one and ten, so I actually only
> play(user editable) kits one through thirtytwo.When I
> want to use a kit from kits 32 through 64, I save my
> trigger edits to a kit in 1-32. I also use the Hart
> series ten ride, splitting the dual signal into inputs
> 11 and 12, and a series ten crash into input 6 and a
> hart ECymbal into input 7. I also use the Hart kick
> drum. I use the rest of the tp80s for everything else.
> the pcys are in a bin somewhere and Drumbalaya has my
> old kicks.
>     I went into trigger edit mode on every kit,and,
> using both the DTX manual and the 2.0 update
> supplement, I started out by going to trigger edit
> page eleven and reassigning the triggers as follows:
>     Accupad head: voice 31
>     Accupad rim:  voice 34
>     Left crash:   voice 49
>     Right crash:  voice 55
>     Series Ten ride: main trigger gets voice 59(?) and
> then the bell gets whatever the pcy rim triggered(I
> think 53 0r 56.)
>     You can get the details in the back of your
> manual, the info I've provided is just to get you
> started. If you screw it up, reinitialize your module
> and try it again. Once you familiarize yourself with
> your module's layout, you will be alot more
> confortable with it. BTW, say "HI" to Binky and Paul
> for me the next time you talk to Hart. I plan to send
> a wiring/trigger edit map of my kit to the group as
> well as to the guys at Hart. I haven't gotten to it
> yet, because I'm so busy right now and the fact that
> although this may be very useful info,I AM working
> with a module that Yamaha no longer sells.
>         Good Luck,                                    
> Brian (aka SupraMan!)    
>  --- "liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>"
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > I communicated with the ebay seller of the Hart hh
> > and Acusnare. He 
> > couldn't get them to work with the DTX v2.0. He
> > spoke with someone 
> > at Hart who claimed that the company was aware of
> > the problems with 
> > the DTX line and currently working on solving them
> > (no one at Hart 
> > has yet returned my call). I'm on the verge of
> > parting with my ride, 
> > but if someone has a possible fix, or successful
> > trigger/pad/voice 
> > setup, I'd love to try it. Hart is a great company
> > that makes very 
> > good equipment.
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Matt Pobursky
> > <ccsuser@m...> wrote:
> > > I've been quietly watching this thread, but now
> > decided to post my
> > > experiences.
> > > 
> > > I have a Hart MegaPro set and DTXtreme module. I'm
> > also using the 
> > Hart
> > > Ecymbal II's (HH, Ride, 12" and 14" crash
> > w/choke). I've had the 
> > kit
> > > since last September and am still
> > tweaking/learning.
> > > 
> > > When I bought the kit (from Drumbalaya -- highly
> > recommended -- 
> > they
> > > are great!), Ed told me they didn't have any
> > experience with Hart 
> > kits
> > > mated to a Yamaha DTXtreme and I might have to do
> > some serious 
> > tweaking
> > > to get things all sorted out. Since I was in no
> > hurry, I decided to
> > > give it a go.
> > > 
> > > So far, I have everything triggering and working
> > well except my 
> > snare.
> > > It's close, but not quite there yet. I did however
> > get the HH and 
> > ride
> > > working after quite a bit of tweaking. The HH was
> > least 
> > troublesome,
> > > but the ride took some time. I don't have the
> > specific settings 
> > handy
> > > right now but I do recall I serious trouble with
> > cross-triggering 
> > on
> > > the bell and ride pad. I messed with the
> > > gain/velocity/rejection/specific rejection for
> > some time until I 
> > found
> > > a "sweet spot". Since then, the ride works very
> > well.
> > > 
> > > I'm swamped with work right now, but if I can
> > sneak away a little 
> > time
> > > I'll try to post the final trigger settings I'm
> > using for the HH 
> > and
> > > ride cymbals.
> > > 
> > > I had virtually no problems with the two crash
> > cymbals, although I 
> > find
> > > the choke function to be kind of hit/miss.
> > Probably user error
> > > though...
> > > 
> > > Matt 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:17:10 -0000, liberatusvirus
> > "
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Cary, 
> > > > 
> > > > That's good to know about the Acusnare; the
> > seller on ebay 
> > appears to
> > > > be mistaken. I hope someone using the hats or
> > the ride will 
> > confirm
> > > > or deny my report. I know of one person besides
> > me who can't get 
> > the
> > > > ride to work well via Yamaha. By the way, I
> > posted about the 
> > Zenbal a
> > > > couple of months or so ago. Pound for pound and
> > dollar for 
> > dollar, I
> > > > think it's the best cymbal to come down the pike
> > in a long time.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Ed 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "chitsman
> > <chitsman@s...>" 
> > > > <chitsman@s...> wrote:
> > > > > Ed-
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks for the information on the Hart cymbal.
> > We all 
> > appreciate
> > > > it.
> > > > > I for one would like to let everyone know that
> > the Accusnare 
> > does 
> > > > > work with the Yamaha DTXPU AND DTX2U. I have
> > been using it with
> > > > great
> > > > > success.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Have you tried the Zenbal from Pintech? I've
> > heard great things
> > > > about
> > > > > that cymbal.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cary
> > 
> > 
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