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Need multiple modules help!!

Need multiple modules help!!

2003-11-21 by s_troop2

I have a rather large DTXpress 2.0 set.

Here's the scoop...

5 single pads (65s) (HH, 3 mounted toms, 1 tom next to HH)
3 dual trigger pads (80S) (ride, 2 floor toms)
1 3 trigger pad - snare

1 single trigger cymbal
2 dual trigger cymbals

2 BPS80s (splashes, cowbells toerh fun stuf!!)

1 kick & high hat pedal.

Okay...so I got all that out of the way. My deal is I only have one 
module (DTX 2.0) I need another. One will control cymbals & BP80 and 
the other will control drums.

I need suggestions. I'm leaning towards another identical module. 
Simple to learn obviously. But have a few questions

1. How will I be able to hear both modules through headphones? Is 
there a device that combines both outputs to a single?

2. If I get a different module with different sounds can the two 
modules "share" sounds via MIDI? (I am MIDI ignorant...very!)


What would YOU do?

Many thanks! This is my first electronic set. I waited many years to 
be able to afford this many drums! I'd like to be able to use all of 
them.

Ken in Kailua-Kona

Re: Need multiple modules help!!

2003-11-21 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "s_troop2" <s_troop2@v...> wrote:
> I have a rather large DTXpress 2.0 set.
> 
> Here's the scoop...
> 
> 5 single pads (65s) (HH, 3 mounted toms, 1 tom next to HH)
> 3 dual trigger pads (80S) (ride, 2 floor toms)
> 1 3 trigger pad - snare
> 
> 1 single trigger cymbal
> 2 dual trigger cymbals
> 
> 2 BPS80s (splashes, cowbells toerh fun stuf!!)
> 
> 1 kick & high hat pedal.
> 
> Okay...so I got all that out of the way. My deal is I only have one 
> module (DTX 2.0) I need another. One will control cymbals & BP80 
and 
> the other will control drums.

Ken,

Congratulations on all fronts. You have definitely entered the game 
with a flourish. Taste, necessity, and budget are the criteria for 
the second module or trigger device. Since you're going to be 
connecting stereo cymbals to it, you'll need a unit with at least a 
few inputs capable of voicing them--either another DTXpressII, an 
XpressI, some kind of Roland, or a long-disontinued DTX 2.0. I might 
have included Roland's TMC-6 trigger to MIDI device, or its dear-
departed counterparts, but since, as its name implies, it has only 
six inputs, you'd fall short of a full house. A new Roland module 
might be too expensive; a used one might be, too, or overkill. An 
XpressI, however, would cost you no more than $180-$200 on the used 
market, and it would allow you to use your bow/edge cymbals. An old 
DTX 2.0 would also fill the bill for not much more; the only drawback 
is that it's, well, old. If you've got money to burn, the XpressII is 
the ticket; it has what you need and has more re-sale value.

> 1. How will I be able to hear both modules through headphones? Is 
> there a device that combines both outputs to a single?

The way to integrate two modules is with something called a mixer. It 
will have inputs for the stereo outputs of both modules--and more, 
depending on which you get--as well as a headphone jack or two. It 
will have level/balance control, a panning spectrum, and possible 
effects--again, depending on what level of mixer you choose. If your 
needs are modest, the $80 small, well-built Rolls MX-28 will do the 
trick. It has stereo inputs for both modules, as well as another for, 
say, a CD player if you want to add it to the mix to play along. 
Behringer and other companies also have options that are very popular 
on this board, and elsewhere, for under $100 (I'm not a particular 
fan of this company, but many members have reported great success 
with the mixers). Mixers can be elaborate and expensive, but if 
you're not adding one for a band, with loads of busses, 
inputs/outputs, etc., they are easy to coordinate.

> 2. If I get a different module with different sounds can the two 
> modules "share" sounds via MIDI? (I am MIDI ignorant...very!)

Yes, they can connect to each other via MIDI, but one module would 
get shortchanged for the sounds of the other. Trigger to MIDI 
devices, like the TMC-6 that I mentioned above, work on this 
principle, but for them it makes sense. They have no sounds of their 
own; their inputs derive their voices solely rom the module to which 
they connect via MIDI; they have no embedded sounds of their own. 
They serve simply as extra inputs (with their own trigger 
parameters). So, you escape the MIDI quandary for now. The mixer is 
the answer to your double-module predicament. 
 
Ed

RE: [DTXpress] Need multiple modules help!!

2003-11-21 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com

> Ken in Kailua-Kona wrote: 
> I need suggestions. I'm leaning towards another identical module. 
> Simple to learn obviously. But have a few questions
> 
> 1. How will I be able to hear both modules through headphones? Is 
> there a device that combines both outputs to a single?
> 
> 2. If I get a different module with different sounds can the two 
> modules "share" sounds via MIDI? (I am MIDI ignorant...very!)
> 
> Ken,
> 
You have several options:

1. Run the output of one module into the Aux-in on the front of the second
module, and then use the output of the headphones on the second module to
listen to it all. The problem with this is getting the volume balanced
between the two modules and (I asssume) the output of the music you are
playing to.

2. Run the output of the modules through a small mixer.

3. Use a trigger module like the TMC-6 to connect your addition pads to and
run midi to the first module to trigger sounds in the module. (I have never
used one, but I am sure there are other members here that could help you, if
you go that route.)

I have three DTxpressII modules on my kit. I chose to go the mixer route,
because it gave me better control of the volume levels between my modules
and the music source I was playing to. I could also use the same sounds
across all modules (I have 8 toms, 3 toms on mod. 1, 2 toms on mod. 2 and 3
toms on mod. 3). 

There is a photo of my kit in the photo album under "OldGuyDrummer". All the
pads on the left rack are on module 1, the center is on module 2 and the
right rack is on module 3. This was neccessary to eliminate cross-talk
between the pads.

OGD

 
 
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Re: Need multiple modules help!!

2003-11-22 by s_troop2

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> 
Thanks to both of you for responding!

I am "looing" at another DTXpress II module, like the one I have, on 
ebay. But I am also looking at a Yamaha TMX trigger module.

It's cheaper but am not familiar with the sound quality. It also has 
12 inputs but do not know if they are stereo or what...

I may get it since the auction ends in 40 minutes and if I don; tlike 
it, re-sell it.

I have a rather open budget for this but I do not play professionally 
or anything. It is my passion, so that means I throw lots of money at 
it to get good sounds but I have to balance it with raising 4 kids 
too. ;-)

On a side note...if anyone can help me undertand this forum that 
would be great!

How can I read all the replies to my original post without having to 
hit the BACK button?

Re: Need multiple modules help!!

2003-11-22 by oldguydrummer

> On a side note...if anyone can help me undertand this forum that 
> would be great!
> 
> How can I read all the replies to my original post without having 
to 
> hit the BACK button?

The back button is a fact of life. Your options are:

To look at a list of the last dozen post or so, select View All 
Messages. Once there select your original post. At the bottom of 
your post will be others direct replies to your post and the replies 
to those posts and so on and so. But that works like a tree 
structure with branches to post going out in several directions, 
which requires the use of the BACK button.

or

You could go back and select/read your original post and then just 
select "Next" that will scroll you through all the posts to the most 
recent one. This maybe the easiest since most response come within a 
day of your posting. 

OldGuyDrummer

Re: Need multiple modules help!!

2003-11-22 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "s_troop2" <s_troop2@v...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> > 
> Thanks to both of you for responding!
> 
> I am "looing" at another DTXpress II module, like the one I have, 
on 
> ebay. But I am also looking at a Yamaha TMX trigger module.
> 
> It's cheaper but am not familiar with the sound quality. It also 
has 
> 12 inputs but do not know if they are stereo or what...
> 
 The TMX goes back to what, the early to mid-90s? You'll recognize 
the roots of subsequent yamaha modules in it. I think that the 12 
inputs are all mono, though advertised as "stereo" collectively 
because they can be panned. It did have some nice features, many of 
which you'll recognize. See what you think and let us know. As long 
as you're not looking for fancy-dan features, these old birds can be 
perfect second modules; my MIDIkiti Pro from the same era is still a 
viable piece of e-drum equipment. In your case, however, the absence 
of rim-switch capability may be its downfall. I'll tell you one 
thing, though; it had a beautifully written manual. Yamaha should 
have been so conscientitious with the DTXpress. Some of the issues 
common to both modules are handled far more intelligibly in the TMX 
manual.

Ed

Re: Need multiple modules help!!

2003-11-22 by s_troop2

...I'll tell you one 
> thing, though; it had a beautifully written manual. Yamaha should 
> have been so conscientitious with the DTXpress. Some of the issues 
> common to both modules are handled far more intelligibly in the TMX 
> manual.
> 
> Ed

Darn!! It doesn't come with a manual!!!!!!'

Any idea of where to start looking for one?? Yamaha's website maybe?

Re: Need multiple modules help!!

2003-11-22 by emf

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "s_troop2" <s_troop2@v...> wrote:
> ...I'll tell you one 
> > thing, though; it had a beautifully written manual. Yamaha should 
> > have been so conscientitious with the DTXpress. Some of the 
issues 
> > common to both modules are handled far more intelligibly in the 
TMX 
> > manual.
> > 
> > Ed
> 
> Darn!! It doesn't come with a manual!!!!!!'
> 
> Any idea of where to start looking for one?? Yamaha's website maybe?

Here's your manual. This time I didn't leave out the pdf at the end:

http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/emi/english/ssdrums/TMXE.pdf

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