Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Ok guys,
Need a quick response here..LOL!!
I recently had my Cuz down here from Pa and he introduced my to Tony 
V. (not in the flesh) I am totaly blown away by his stuff. 

I'm looking at using my DTX with my Yamaha kit and sampling some 
stuff for our band. Heres my question....

I have a KOrg D1600 (Im posting about this there too), If I was to 
create a sound on the Korg can I import it to the DTX and assign it 
to pads? (The Korg has a connection) Is all I need a cable? 

I'll have more questions after this.
Thanks!
Wm

--- William wrote:
> I have a KOrg D1600 ... If I was to 
> create a sound on the Korg can I import
> it to the DTX and assign it to pads?

Assuming the Korg is a sampler ... no, sorry. The DTX/DTXpress do 
not allow upload of samples.

However, you should be able to use the DTX/DTXpress MIDI to trigger 
sounds on the Korg.

Stewart

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "William" <buoymaster@c...> wrote:
> Ok guys,
> Need a quick response here..LOL!!
> I recently had my Cuz down here from Pa and he introduced my to 
Tony 
> V. (not in the flesh) I am totaly blown away by his stuff. 
> 
> I'm looking at using my DTX with my Yamaha kit and sampling some 
> stuff for our band. Heres my question....
> 
> I have a KOrg D1600 (Im posting about this there too), If I was to 
> create a sound on the Korg can I import it to the DTX and assign it 
> to pads? (The Korg has a connection) Is all I need a cable? 
> 
> I'll have more questions after this.
> Thanks!


Hi Wm,

As a portable digital recorder, the Korg can store sounds and export 
them to any other recorder, sampler, or sequencer. Unfortunately, the 
DTXpress module doesn't qualify under any of those headings. It 
cannot download external samples and play them back. The only drum 
modules on the market today that do--to any degree--are the ddrum4 
and the Alesis DM Pro. The new wave of hi end modules from Roland, 
Yamaha, and ddrum, however, will be more sampler-based. 

If you wanted to access sounds on the Korg to play via the DTXpress 
pads, you'd have to transfer them into a MIDI-compatible component--
either PC-based or stand-alone--so that you could use the DTXpress 
module as a MIDI conduit (with its own sounds disabled) between the 
pads and the samples. From what I understand, the Korg has MIDI 
connections for recording purposes, as well as to link units together 
to create up to 48 tracks. I don't know whether it has the kind of 
MIDI capability that would allow the DTXpress module to access  
sounds directly from the pads. 

Ed

Ok...understanding that....There are bass lines and such on some of 
the preset kits. How come I cant put them into a kit I want to 
create? if that can be done...can I layer them ?
Thanks,
Wm

It seems that still many of you out there do not know what MIDI is and 
what it isn't.

First off... the Korg couldn't possibly transfer ANY sound to a TRUE 
sequencer, as a true sequencer only records and plays back MIDI note and 
controller info and certain system exclusive messages. There is (or was) 
such a thing call midi sample dump (SDS) but it is so old and 
antiquated, that it took SOOO long to transfer even the most simple of 
sounds, but still could not transfer sounds into devices that do not 
support this feature. There was SMIDI too but that seemed to die 
quickly. Anyways, the KORG can't do it.

There are sequencer software/ audio tracking softwares such as CuBase, 
Logic..etc.. but they will not accept a sample dump through midi SDS or 
otherwise. You would have to transfer it by standard audio or disc means 
by exporting as a WAV file (you can on the D1600 mkII anyways) into a 
sampler then trigger that from your pads. The MIDI specifications on the 
D1600 are such that the connection is just for MTC-MMC (time code and 
transport control - in/out), mixer controls,  and effect control.. 
that's it, no triggering.

THAT is what I do. (a very simplified version follows.. if anybody would 
like full details, send a self addressed envelope....   =)   )

I play my DTX pads... the MIDI out from the DTX goes into a Yamaha A3000 
sampler module and then from the A3000's MIDI THRU it goes into the IN 
on a Kawai XD-5 Drum Synth module. All modules are set to the same MIDI 
channel as each other. I program sets on the DTX to play either a DTX 
sound or a A3000 sound or an XD-5 sound or any combination therof, by 
first assigning a sound on any of the modules to correspond to the MIDI 
note number assigned to the desired pad... then if it is NOT going to 
use a sound on the DTX, I give the volume setting on that pad (on the 
DTX) to zero, the sound would then be produced by the module I want, and 
the editing of volume and such would be done on that particular module. 
Layering sounds from any combination of the three would be the same, 
just I'd adjust the volumes for each as desired.

I use the DTX as a trigger interface for everything from playing music, 
to doing a hit-list for sound effect placement in sound editing, kinda 
like how the old foley guys used to do it... great fun when I did a 
boxing short!

gord.





emf wrote:

> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "William" <buoymaster@c...> wrote:
> > Ok guys,
> > Need a quick response here..LOL!!
> > I recently had my Cuz down here from Pa and he introduced my to
> Tony
> > V. (not in the flesh) I am totaly blown away by his stuff.
> >
> > I'm looking at using my DTX with my Yamaha kit and sampling some
> > stuff for our band. Heres my question....
> >
> > I have a KOrg D1600 (Im posting about this there too), If I was to
> > create a sound on the Korg can I import it to the DTX and assign it
> > to pads? (The Korg has a connection) Is all I need a cable?
> >
> > I'll have more questions after this.
> > Thanks!
>
>
> Hi Wm,
>
> As a portable digital recorder, the Korg can store sounds and export
> them to any other recorder, sampler, or sequencer. Unfortunately, the
> DTXpress module doesn't qualify under any of those headings. It
> cannot download external samples and play them back. The only drum
> modules on the market today that do--to any degree--are the ddrum4
> and the Alesis DM Pro. The new wave of hi end modules from Roland,
> Yamaha, and ddrum, however, will be more sampler-based.
>
> If you wanted to access sounds on the Korg to play via the DTXpress
> pads, you'd have to transfer them into a MIDI-compatible component--
> either PC-based or stand-alone--so that you could use the DTXpress
> module as a MIDI conduit (with its own sounds disabled) between the
> pads and the samples. From what I understand, the Korg has MIDI
> connections for recording purposes, as well as to link units together
> to create up to 48 tracks. I don't know whether it has the kind of
> MIDI capability that would allow the DTXpress module to access 
> sounds directly from the pads.
>
> Ed
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That is just assigning a sequence (from the DTX internal sequencer) to 
be started from a pad strike.
Grab your owner's manual (the purple one) and start reading at page #20 
look for 2-7. Pad Song.
To learn how to record your own sequences, refer to page #10.

gord.







William wrote:

> Ok...understanding that....There are bass lines and such on some of
> the preset kits. How come I cant put them into a kit I want to
> create? if that can be done...can I layer them ?
> Thanks,
> Wm
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Thanks, I'll spend alittle time ove Thanksgiving on all this.
And your right...Midi and Me..arg! I havent a clue. I'll check out 
some reading on this too.
Later,
Wm


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, distortion@r... wrote:
> That is just assigning a sequence (from the DTX internal 
sequencer) to 
> be started from a pad strike.
> Grab your owner's manual (the purple one) and start reading at 
page #20 
> look for 2-7. Pad Song.
> To learn how to record your own sequences, refer to page #10.
> 
> gord.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> William wrote:
> 
> > Ok...understanding that....There are bass lines and such on some 
of
> > the preset kits. How come I cant put them into a kit I want to
> > create? if that can be done...can I layer them ?
> > Thanks,
> > Wm
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, distortion@r... wrote:
I use the DTX as a trigger interface for everything from playing 
music, 
> to doing a hit-list for sound effect placement in sound editing, 
kinda 
> like how the old foley guys used to do it... great fun when I did a 
> boxing short!

Gord,

I'm not sure what you mean about the hit list. Did you insert the 
sound for, say, the right uppercut on the boxing short, or just mark 
it with, say, a gong for someone else? Also, are all the old foley 
guys out of work now, unless they have sound effect modules? I read 
somewhere not long ago that even Lucas has a room for traditional 
foley work. This is interesting stuff; we'd love to read more about 
it if you have the time.

Ed

Ed,

Yes, of course there are still "live" foley artists out there, 
practicing their ancient black arts (I think some even wear dark 
cloaks.. wink) some even are doing sound effect library CDs for sale.. 
even Lucasfilm now sells their own CDs. Some scenes are very difficult 
to do without actual foley but they are few, and I don't do them. There 
is a great honesty and mystique that is the unique trade of the foley 
artiste... I however, like the clean, bright, stainless steel and neon 
future.. plus, it's easier to change stuff around in the edit!

Here's a simplified explanation:

A hit list is sorta a basic guide track to what I gotta do in a scene. I 
put the visuals in a track, then I watch it, placing 'hits' where it 
needs to be.. in the case of the boxing short, I used cymbal pads as 
head blows, toms for body blows, kick and snare for HARD punches. The 
MIDI track then created went into a track that was assigned to the 
Yamaha sampler that was loaded with various punch sounds, velocity 
varied the pitch and gave a unique sound to some of the hits.. I didn't 
want the old Kung-Fu sound of every punch and kick to sound the same.
I give the editor a CD with the timecoded AIF files for insertion into 
the edit. I also give them the individual samples used to construct the 
scene, just in case they need it.. sometimes edits change from when I 
saw it... I found it easier to do that after a director called me up 
looking for a flag sound I created, six months after I did my work... he 
needed it for a trailer edit.

I do more sound effect design and music programming than anything else 
right now... but some nasty problems has set me back sumthin' fierce 
this year... lightning strike... construction delays... chronic 
tendonitis.. to name a few...

gord.



emf wrote:

> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, distortion@r... wrote:
> I use the DTX as a trigger interface for everything from playing
> music,
> > to doing a hit-list for sound effect placement in sound editing,
> kinda
> > like how the old foley guys used to do it... great fun when I did a
> > boxing short!
>
> Gord,
>
> I'm not sure what you mean about the hit list. Did you insert the
> sound for, say, the right uppercut on the boxing short, or just mark
> it with, say, a gong for someone else? Also, are all the old foley
> guys out of work now, unless they have sound effect modules? I read
> somewhere not long ago that even Lucas has a room for traditional
> foley work. This is interesting stuff; we'd love to read more about
> it if you have the time.
>
> Ed 
>
>
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, distortion@r... wrote:
> Ed,
> MIDI track then created went into a track that was assigned to the 
> Yamaha sampler that was loaded with various punch sounds, velocity 
> varied the pitch and gave a unique sound to some of the hits.. I 
didn't 
> want the old Kung-Fu sound of every punch and kick to sound the 
same.
> I give the editor a CD with the timecoded AIF files for insertion 
into 
> the edit. I also give them the individual samples used to construct 
the 
> scene, just in case they need it.. sometimes edits change from when 
I 
> saw it... I found it easier to do that after a director called me 
up 
> looking for a flag sound I created, six months after I did my 
work... he 
> needed it for a trailer edit.
> 
> I do more sound effect design and music programming than anything 
else 
> right now... but some nasty problems has set me back sumthin' 
fierce 
> this year... lightning strike... construction delays... chronic 
> tendonitis.. to name a few...

Gord,

Interesting to find out--and not just a little sad--to learn that 
sound design editors suffer from some of the same debilitating 
contingencies that drummers do, i.e., tendonitis. Also interesting, 
maybe a little obvious on reflection, is the fact that sound design 
editors, like drum module programmers and designers, ultimately rely 
on velocity effects to make their sonic schemes more realistic. Who 
would have thought that film sound and e-drumming have so much in 
common. What a world. I hope that you're not too far away from 
complete recovery. Don't forget to use that surge protector. This is 
definitely a topic that I'd like to investigate some more. Maybe 
we'll have to rely on your downtime.

Best,
Ed

I am a drummer FIRST and foremost! Started in drum corps at 10... My 
injury was from a trip to Japan last year. Too much up and down stairs 
carrying equipment and BAD BAD shoes aggrivated a severe injury from 
when I was a teen... and now I have to deal with it nearly everyday... 
oddly enough, it doesn't seem to bother me when playing! At its worst. I 
gotta stop walking and rest every fifty or so steps! At 35 I'm turning 
into an old man... no offence to any old men out there!  =)

Surge protection is right... I set some stuff up in a "temporary" 
environment that lasted three years.. never got around to it... Lost a 
computer, scanner, printer, a TV monitor, a modem, all the phones, 
answering macine, a network card and a lighting controller. Now I have 
surge protection up the wazoo and UPS systems on the main editing 
systems. Now we moved, and I'm back at a temporary set-up until I can 
get the studio built in the new place.

Velocity modulation is the most basic thing I do for change... I also 
use a feature of one of my keyboard's,  polyphonic key pressure 
modulation, and of course the pitch and mod wheels. Use of mod 
techniques lends an undulating living feeling to sound.. if that's what 
your're after.

gord.





emf wrote:

> ---
> Gord,
>
> Interesting to find out--and not just a little sad--to learn that
> sound design editors suffer from some of the same debilitating
> contingencies that drummers do, i.e., tendonitis. Also interesting,
> maybe a little obvious on reflection, is the fact that sound design
> editors, like drum module programmers and designers, ultimately rely
> on velocity effects to make their sonic schemes more realistic. Who
> would have thought that film sound and e-drumming have so much in
> common. What a world. I hope that you're not too far away from
> complete recovery. Don't forget to use that surge protector. This is
> definitely a topic that I'd like to investigate some more. Maybe
> we'll have to rely on your downtime.
>
> Best,
> Ed
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, distortion@r... wrote:
> I am a drummer FIRST and foremost! Started in drum corps at 10... 

Sorry about the injury and great to hear that you're a drummer. I'm 
one of those old guys (52). Your posts remind me of 1973, when I was 
asked to lay down drums for one of those short, increasingly rapid-
cut montage films that were in vogue at the time. I accepted the 
challenge, little knowing how hard it would be, only to abandon the 
drum accompaniment, which was becoming cliche, for a more foleyesque 
approach. I can't remember it anymore; it was fun but hell to do. All 
that I can recall was that my audio ended with a toilet bowl flush. 

Someday, can we set up a chat on this site about what you do, 
assuming that you have the time and we have enough people to make it 
worth your while?

Ed

Sure I guess... I usually shy away from chats, as I had some bad 
experiences on the first couple of times. But I should hope this group 
would be different.. no ignorant twits with inane remarks...   you've 
seen it happen, but it seems everybody here is really cool...

Here's some background info on me:
35, married,
no kids, two cats
graduated from Centennial College Toronto in RTV (radio and television 
broadcasting technical) and Film Production Technical
Won awards for best film, best still photography, best commercial, and 
cinematography
Ensoniq product specialist training from Ensoniq Corp. Philadelphia
Worked at Long & McQuade LTD. manager of drums, keyboards and digital 
recording depts.
Worked for Sony of Canada in 'The Sony Store', moved up into Sony 
Broadcast Professionals Group support, then quit before they fired 
everybody.
Worked at Tattersall-Casablanca (a division of Alliance-Atlantis) in the 
picture and sound department, audio sync, HD and SD systems tech, 
Telestream delivery, and internal distribution. Shows and movies I 
worked on: Earth Final Conflict, Beastmaster, Blue Murder, Soul Food, 
The Judy Garland Story, Spider, The Invincibles, Formula 51, Who is 
Cletus Tout, and Ace Lightning
Produces sound effects and music for productions, also shoots/edits 
video, steadicam shooting (I use an offshoot vest system, developed by 
some of Steadicam's engineers when they got 'let-go' after they were 
sold to Tiffen)
I offer my services to independent and student filmmakers.
Clients include: Psion Teklogix, Glendale Motorhomes, Camco MFG., 
Bombardier, and Sony of Canada.
I also work in co-operation with various design and advertising firms.
Hobbies include Eishin-Ryu Iaido, Kendo, camping, cooking, photography, 
traveling, canoeing, dual-sport motorcycles (Yamaha XT350), trying to 
find new and interesting ideas for a documentary...

gord.



emf wrote:

> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, distortion@r... wrote:
> > I am a drummer FIRST and foremost! Started in drum corps at 10...
>
> Sorry about the injury and great to hear that you're a drummer. I'm
> one of those old guys (52). Your posts remind me of 1973, when I was
> asked to lay down drums for one of those short, increasingly rapid-
> cut montage films that were in vogue at the time. I accepted the
> challenge, little knowing how hard it would be, only to abandon the
> drum accompaniment, which was becoming cliche, for a more foleyesque
> approach. I can't remember it anymore; it was fun but hell to do. All
> that I can recall was that my audio ended with a toilet bowl flush.
>
> Someday, can we set up a chat on this site about what you do,
> assuming that you have the time and we have enough people to make it
> worth your while?
>
> Ed
>
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Gord,

I've emailed you privately.

Ed