Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hey all,  
 
I really searched and found notta on this so here goes,..
 
I just got my DTX 1 and I love it. I'm using it for recording, I have the stock set.  I found a killer deal on ebay 120.00 shipped for 2 mint ROLAND CY6 12" CRASH CYMBALS. I am moving Toms 1 & 2 to channel 9/10. I have to go to radioshack tomorrow and get An insert adapter. Which they don't make, so I have to use 3 adapters to create it. About 17.00  worth of stuff total. 8>(. lol  The shack is lame, but all I have locally.
 
Any way,  mY QUESTION IS: Where in the manual is the instructions about setting the CHOKE feature once I pick the voice for my new cymbals?  I bought these cymbals for there choke feature, but I can't find it. Arrrgh!  There not choking right now, Hey I just had a thought, if I could find out how to copy the ride cymbals parameters over to my crash, I could then change the voice to a crash? These cymbals will choke when plugged into the ride cymbals input, so I know they work properly.
 
Man this thing is very complex compared to my Alesis DM5. I have a ton to learn,...
 
PLZ HELP??


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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, DTS-2 <apcmechanic2@y...> wrote:
> Hey all,  
>  
> I really searched and found notta on this so here goes,..
>  
> I just got my DTX 1 and I love it. I'm using it for recording, I 
have the stock set.  I found a killer deal on ebay 120.00 shipped for 
2 mint ROLAND CY6 12" CRASH CYMBALS. I am moving Toms 1 & 2 to 
channel 9/10. I have to go to radioshack tomorrow and get An insert 
adapter. Which they don't make, so I have to use 3 adapters to create 
it. About 17.00  worth of stuff total. 8>(. lol  The shack is lame, 
but all I have locally.
>  
> Any way,  mY QUESTION IS: Where in the manual is the instructions 
about setting the CHOKE feature once I pick the voice for my new 
cymbals?  I bought these cymbals for there choke feature, but I can't 
find it. Arrrgh!  There not choking right now, Hey I just had a 
thought, if I could find out how to copy the ride cymbals parameters 
over to my crash, I could then change the voice to a crash? These 
cymbals will choke when plugged into the ride cymbals input, so I 
know they work properly.
>  
> Man this thing is very complex compared to my Alesis DM5. I have a 
ton to learn,...
>  
> PLZ HELP??

First, welcome to the group. In order to get the choke feature to 
work, you need to program the "pad type" setting in the trigger menu 
(first page?). If I remember correctly, you might have your best luck 
setting the CY-6 as either a PCY80S or a miscellaneous 2. You'll 
figure it out.

Also, Radio Shack can be a decent source for inexpensive cables, 
piezos, and the like, but you can also go crazy there buying adaptors 
to compensate for what they don't carry. Personally, I'm not crazy 
about adapters; they give you two points of possible disconnection. 
If you want HOSA TRS (tip, ring, sleeve) "Y" cables, or the 
equivalents, any decent brick-and-mortar music store, like Guitar 
Center, should have them. You also may as well learn about 
drumbalaya.com now; it's the definitive store for all things related 
to electronic drums. When you get a chance, visit the site. You will 
be amazed. 

Ed

Hey ED, 

Thx a lot 4 the fast response! 8>)

Is there any known problems using these Roland CY6 Cymbals with the 
DTXPRESS 1? Or is it just a matter of tweaking the settings?
I hope its the later, I got these 2 Roland cy6's dirt cheap on ebay 
120.00 shipped for the pair. The guy was really cool, there mint.

I found where to COPY a pads parameters, although it doesnt take even 
though its says COMPLETE!.  The pad I copy to still remains the same.


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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, DTS-2 <apcmechanic2@y...> wrote:
> > Hey all,  
> >  
> > I really searched and found notta on this so here goes,..
> >  
> > I just got my DTX 1 and I love it. I'm using it for recording, I 
> have the stock set.  I found a killer deal on ebay 120.00 shipped 
for 
> 2 mint ROLAND CY6 12" CRASH CYMBALS. I am moving Toms 1 & 2 to 
> channel 9/10. I have to go to radioshack tomorrow and get An insert 
> adapter. Which they don't make, so I have to use 3 adapters to 
create 
> it. About 17.00  worth of stuff total. 8>(. lol  The shack is lame, 
> but all I have locally.
> >  
> > Any way,  mY QUESTION IS: Where in the manual is the instructions 
> about setting the CHOKE feature once I pick the voice for my new 
> cymbals?  I bought these cymbals for there choke feature, but I 
can't 
> find it. Arrrgh!  There not choking right now, Hey I just had a 
> thought, if I could find out how to copy the ride cymbals 
parameters 
> over to my crash, I could then change the voice to a crash? These 
> cymbals will choke when plugged into the ride cymbals input, so I 
> know they work properly.
> >  
> > Man this thing is very complex compared to my Alesis DM5. I have 
a 
> ton to learn,...
> >  
> > PLZ HELP??
> 
> First, welcome to the group. In order to get the choke feature to 
> work, you need to program the "pad type" setting in the trigger 
menu 
> (first page?). If I remember correctly, you might have your best 
luck 
> setting the CY-6 as either a PCY80S or a miscellaneous 2. You'll 
> figure it out.
> 
> Also, Radio Shack can be a decent source for inexpensive cables, 
> piezos, and the like, but you can also go crazy there buying 
adaptors 
> to compensate for what they don't carry. Personally, I'm not crazy 
> about adapters; they give you two points of possible disconnection. 
> If you want HOSA TRS (tip, ring, sleeve) "Y" cables, or the 
> equivalents, any decent brick-and-mortar music store, like Guitar 
> Center, should have them. You also may as well learn about 
> drumbalaya.com now; it's the definitive store for all things 
related 
> to electronic drums. When you get a chance, visit the site. You 
will 

> be amazed. 
> 
> Ed

Thx ed, Thatmakes sense, I will try that pcy80 trick and see what 
happens.


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, DTS-2 <apcmechanic2@y...> wrote:
> > Hey all,  
> >  
> > I really searched and found notta on this so here goes,..
> >  
> > I just got my DTX 1 and I love it. I'm using it for recording, I 
> have the stock set.  I found a killer deal on ebay 120.00 shipped 
for 
> 2 mint ROLAND CY6 12" CRASH CYMBALS. I am moving Toms 1 & 2 to 
> channel 9/10. I have to go to radioshack tomorrow and get An insert 
> adapter. Which they don't make, so I have to use 3 adapters to 
create 
> it. About 17.00  worth of stuff total. 8>(. lol  The shack is lame, 
> but all I have locally.
> >  
> > Any way,  mY QUESTION IS: Where in the manual is the instructions 
> about setting the CHOKE feature once I pick the voice for my new 
> cymbals?  I bought these cymbals for there choke feature, but I 
can't 
> find it. Arrrgh!  There not choking right now, Hey I just had a 
> thought, if I could find out how to copy the ride cymbals 
parameters 
> over to my crash, I could then change the voice to a crash? These 
> cymbals will choke when plugged into the ride cymbals input, so I 
> know they work properly.
> >  
> > Man this thing is very complex compared to my Alesis DM5. I have 
a 
> ton to learn,...
> >  
> > PLZ HELP??
> 
> First, welcome to the group. In order to get the choke feature to 
> work, you need to program the "pad type" setting in the trigger 
menu 
> (first page?). If I remember correctly, you might have your best 
luck 
> setting the CY-6 as either a PCY80S or a miscellaneous 2. You'll 
> figure it out.
> 
> Also, Radio Shack can be a decent source for inexpensive cables, 
> piezos, and the like, but you can also go crazy there buying 
adaptors 
> to compensate for what they don't carry. Personally, I'm not crazy 
> about adapters; they give you two points of possible disconnection. 
> If you want HOSA TRS (tip, ring, sleeve) "Y" cables, or the 
> equivalents, any decent brick-and-mortar music store, like Guitar 
> Center, should have them. You also may as well learn about 
> drumbalaya.com now; it's the definitive store for all things 
related 
> to electronic drums. When you get a chance, visit the site. You 
will 

> be amazed. 
> 
> Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "apcmechanic2" <apcmechanic2@y...> 
wrote:
> Is there any known problems using these Roland CY6 Cymbals with the 
> DTXPRESS 1? Or is it just a matter of tweaking the settings?
> I hope its the later, I got these 2 Roland cy6's dirt cheap on ebay 
> 120.00 shipped for the pair. The guy was really cool, there mint.

I've tried the CY-6 through a DTXpressI. I wouldn't say that it's a 
match made in heaven, but it should work fine when you arrive at your 
preferred settings. I hope that the seller included the little metal 
attachment for the cymbal stand that comes with the CY-6; as I 
recall, they, like the Yamahas, tend to rotate on the stand.
  
> I found where to COPY a pads parameters, although it doesnt take 
even 
> though its says COMPLETE!.  The pad I copy to still remains the 
same.

I can't think of what the problem might be offhand--unless you're 
expecting the copy function in trigger to also copy the data in 
voice, or vice versa. They are two different animals.

Ed

You nailed ED,

I was expecting the copy function to copy everything including the 
voice over to the other pad. I am still tinkering to try and find the 
section U spoke of about the choke function.

If I could find that, I would be happy.

Thx again.


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "apcmechanic2" <apcmechanic2@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Is there any known problems using these Roland CY6 Cymbals with 
the 
> > DTXPRESS 1? Or is it just a matter of tweaking the settings?
> > I hope its the later, I got these 2 Roland cy6's dirt cheap on 
ebay 
> > 120.00 shipped for the pair. The guy was really cool, there mint.
> 
> I've tried the CY-6 through a DTXpressI. I wouldn't say that it's a 
> match made in heaven, but it should work fine when you arrive at 
your 
> preferred settings. I hope that the seller included the little 
metal 

> attachment for the cymbal stand that comes with the CY-6; as I 
> recall, they, like the Yamahas, tend to rotate on the stand.
>   
> > I found where to COPY a pads parameters, although it doesnt take 
> even 
> > though its says COMPLETE!.  The pad I copy to still remains the 
> same.
> 
> I can't think of what the problem might be offhand--unless you're 
> expecting the copy function in trigger to also copy the data in 
> voice, or vice versa. They are two different animals.
> 
> Ed

Hey ED,

Could you say why you didn't like the Roland cy6 cymbals with the DTX?
Just wondering what I'm in for.
I HAVE AN OPTION TO RETURN THEM LESS SHIPPING. I was going to get 2 
dual Pintech Zenbals @ 95.99 a pop. But these were so damn cheap I 
couldnt resist. lol

Thx man,..


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "apcmechanic2" <apcmechanic2@y...> 
wrote:
> You nailed ED,
> 
> I was expecting the copy function to copy everything including the 
> voice over to the other pad. I am still tinkering to try and find 
the 
> section U spoke of about the choke function.
> 
> If I could find that, I would be happy.
> 
> Thx again.
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "apcmechanic2" 
<apcmechanic2@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Is there any known problems using these Roland CY6 Cymbals with 
> the 
> > > DTXPRESS 1? Or is it just a matter of tweaking the settings?
> > > I hope its the later, I got these 2 Roland cy6's dirt cheap on 
> ebay 
> > > 120.00 shipped for the pair. The guy was really cool, there 
mint.
> > 
> > I've tried the CY-6 through a DTXpressI. I wouldn't say that it's 
a 
> > match made in heaven, but it should work fine when you arrive at 
> your 
> > preferred settings. I hope that the seller included the little 
> metal 
> > attachment for the cymbal stand that comes with the CY-6; as I 
> > recall, they, like the Yamahas, tend to rotate on the stand.
> >   
> > > I found where to COPY a pads parameters, although it doesnt 
take 

> > even 
> > > though its says COMPLETE!.  The pad I copy to still remains the 
> > same.
> > 
> > I can't think of what the problem might be offhand--unless you're 
> > expecting the copy function in trigger to also copy the data in 
> > voice, or vice versa. They are two different animals.
> > 
> > Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "apcmechanic2" <apcmechanic2@y...> 
wrote:
> You nailed ED,
> 
> I was expecting the copy function to copy everything including the 
> voice over to the other pad. I am still tinkering to try and find 
the 
> section U spoke of about the choke function.
> 
> If I could find that, I would be happy.


The dtxpress module doesn't have a specific setting that turns 
on/off choking.

The Dtxpress I module has choking available on trigger inputs 1-8.

The Dtxpress II module has choking available on trigger inputs 2,6,7.

The Dtxpress III module has choking available on trigger inputs 1-8, 
unless a RHH130 is used on input 8, in which case choking is 
disabled.

So you don't really "activate" the choking in the menu. The way you 
get choking is you must:

1. Use stereo cymbal pad that has pad and rim switch.
2. You must use a stereo cable to connect it to the module.
3. You must set the trigger input to "PCY ride" or "PCY crash".

Press the [Trig] button to enter the trigger edit mode. Scroll down 
the input trigger that you are plugging the pad into, say:

TRIG*IN = 6 ; TYPE = PCY ride

In your case you should try pad TYPES: "PCY ride" or "Misc 2" 
or "Misc 4", to see which works best.

Hope that helps and welcome.

OldGuyDrummer (OGD)

Thx a lot OGD,

That makes sense,.. I am tinkering right now. I'm starting to get the 
hang of it. I'm sure theres a lot I don't know yet though. lol
I guess I'm glad I got the DTX1 instead of the 2. I like the idea of 
having the options of 1-8 chokable pads instead of 2,6 & 7.

This site is great, I really appreciate the help! The sooner I get 
some kits setup, the sooner I can get back to recording. And thats 
what means the most to me. 8>) THX AGAIN !


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "oldguydrummer" <rdamon@m...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "apcmechanic2" <apcmechanic2@y...> 
> wrote:
> > You nailed ED,
> > 
> > I was expecting the copy function to copy everything including 
the 
> > voice over to the other pad. I am still tinkering to try and find 
> the 
> > section U spoke of about the choke function.
> > 
> > If I could find that, I would be happy.
> 
> 
> The dtxpress module doesn't have a specific setting that turns 
> on/off choking.
> 
> The Dtxpress I module has choking available on trigger inputs 1-8.
> 
> The Dtxpress II module has choking available on trigger inputs 
2,6,7.
> 
> The Dtxpress III module has choking available on trigger inputs 1-
8, 

> unless a RHH130 is used on input 8, in which case choking is 
> disabled.
> 
> So you don't really "activate" the choking in the menu. The way you 
> get choking is you must:
> 
> 1. Use stereo cymbal pad that has pad and rim switch.
> 2. You must use a stereo cable to connect it to the module.
> 3. You must set the trigger input to "PCY ride" or "PCY crash".
> 
> Press the [Trig] button to enter the trigger edit mode. Scroll down 
> the input trigger that you are plugging the pad into, say:
> 
> TRIG*IN = 6 ; TYPE = PCY ride
> 
> In your case you should try pad TYPES: "PCY ride" or "Misc 2" 
> or "Misc 4", to see which works best.
> 
> Hope that helps and welcome.
> 
> OldGuyDrummer (OGD)

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "apcmechanic2" <apcmechanic2@y...> 
wrote:
> Thx a lot OGD,
> 
> That makes sense,.. I am tinkering right now. I'm starting to get 
the 
> hang of it. I'm sure theres a lot I don't know yet though. lol
> I guess I'm glad I got the DTX1 instead of the 2. I like the idea 
of 
> having the options of 1-8 chokable pads instead of 2,6 & 7.

I discovered this when I first got my  dtxpress II set, so I sent an 
email to Yamaha tech. support. When they confirmed that the II 
module no longer had choking on all inputs, they graciously, burned 
some new ROM Chips for my modules, so that I now have choking on all 
inputs. With just the basic kit, there really isn't a need for all 
the inputs to have the choking function. But due to the number of 
cymbal pads I really needed that capability.

OGD

Thx a lot OGD,

That makes sense,.. I am tinkering right now. I'm starting to get the 
hang of it. I'm sure theres a lot I don't know yet though. lol
I guess I'm glad I got the DTX1 instead of the 2. I like the idea of 
having the options of 1-8 chokable pads instead of 2,6 & 7.

This site is great, I really appreciate the help! The sooner I get 
some kits setup, the sooner I can get back to recording. And thats 
what means the most to me. 8>) THX AGAIN !


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "oldguydrummer" <rdamon@m...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "apcmechanic2" <apcmechanic2@y...> 
> wrote:
> > You nailed ED,
> > 
> > I was expecting the copy function to copy everything including 
the 
> > voice over to the other pad. I am still tinkering to try and find 
> the 
> > section U spoke of about the choke function.
> > 
> > If I could find that, I would be happy.
> 
> 
> The dtxpress module doesn't have a specific setting that turns 
> on/off choking.
> 
> The Dtxpress I module has choking available on trigger inputs 1-8.
> 
> The Dtxpress II module has choking available on trigger inputs 
2,6,7.
> 
> The Dtxpress III module has choking available on trigger inputs 1-
8, 

> unless a RHH130 is used on input 8, in which case choking is 
> disabled.
> 
> So you don't really "activate" the choking in the menu. The way you 
> get choking is you must:
> 
> 1. Use stereo cymbal pad that has pad and rim switch.
> 2. You must use a stereo cable to connect it to the module.
> 3. You must set the trigger input to "PCY ride" or "PCY crash".
> 
> Press the [Trig] button to enter the trigger edit mode. Scroll down 
> the input trigger that you are plugging the pad into, say:
> 
> TRIG*IN = 6 ; TYPE = PCY ride
> 
> In your case you should try pad TYPES: "PCY ride" or "Misc 2" 
> or "Misc 4", to see which works best.
> 
> Hope that helps and welcome.
> 
> OldGuyDrummer (OGD)

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "apcmechanic2" <apcmechanic2@y...> 
wrote:
> Hey ED,
> 
> Could you say why you didn't like the Roland cy6 cymbals with the 
DTX?
> Just wondering what I'm in for.
> I HAVE AN OPTION TO RETURN THEM LESS SHIPPING. I was going to get 2 
> dual Pintech Zenbals @ 95.99 a pop. But these were so damn cheap I 
> couldnt resist. lol

It would be an exaggeration to say that I flat-out didn't like it. 
You may be perfectly satisfied with it. Its general response seemed 
slightly subdued to me, and the edge didn't always fire reliably. I 
haven't used a stereo (bow/edge) cymbal in some time, but I tried a 
lot of them. In general, attempts to activate the edge sometimes 
triggered either the bow voice or no voice. Also, strikes on either 
bow or edge could sometimes activate the choke, cutting off the voice 
much too quickly. Many of these mishits could be attributed to poor 
stick placement (sticking is simply not the same for e-cymbals as it 
is for acoustics), but design certainly bears some responsibility. 
The CY-6 wasn't necessarily worse in this respect than other stereo 
cymbals; they all have their quirks that require time and effort to 
tame. I recall having much more luck with the Zenbal stereos out of 
the box, though other people have reported frustration with them, too-
-at least for a while. Stephen Brown has been a longtime happy Zenbal 
user; you can find his review of the Pintechs in our files section. 
From what other members have written on this board, the Yamaha PCY65S 
cymbal is not so prone to the difficulties that I found routine a 
couple of years ago. 

One unfortunate thing about buying e-drum components is the general 
inability to try them out first. We often depend on third-person 
reports on boards like this one to get an idea about what we might 
like. But the advice only works to the point where the personal 
element takes over, and that is not always easy to determine. My 
humble suggestion would be to keep the Rolands. Maybe when you get 
more familiar with, or more curious about, other options, you'll want 
to trade them for something else, but in the meantime, they will 
probably serve you well. If eventually you think otherwise, a market 
for them should still exist. 

Ed

Hey yeah, 

I totally agree, These Rolands really need to be wacked hard to get 
them to fire right. And it's very inconsistant as far as the tip and 
the  bell sounds. Sometimes the spot you hit last time wont fire it 
moves to the right or left. Very annoying.

I'm not happy, I'm looking to see if maybe an adjustment of the DTX  
sensativity will fix this so I can hit it as lightly as the yamaha 
PCY80 and get a response from light to heavy AND IN BETWEEN.
If I can't remedy this problem, I will be sending them back. And 
either getting Zenbals or 2 Yamaha PCY80's. I'm bummed, they were 
priced so nice, I really want them to work out.

Oh well, Life sux then you tell it to pizz off, and ya' fix it! lol

Thx for the input man. 8>)
--------------------------------
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "apcmechanic2" <apcmechanic2@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Hey ED,
> > 
> > Could you say why you didn't like the Roland cy6 cymbals with the 
> DTX?
> > Just wondering what I'm in for.
> > I HAVE AN OPTION TO RETURN THEM LESS SHIPPING. I was going to get 
2 
> > dual Pintech Zenbals @ 95.99 a pop. But these were so damn cheap 
I 
> > couldnt resist. lol
> 
> It would be an exaggeration to say that I flat-out didn't like it. 
> You may be perfectly satisfied with it. Its general response seemed 
> slightly subdued to me, and the edge didn't always fire reliably. I 
> haven't used a stereo (bow/edge) cymbal in some time, but I tried a 
> lot of them. In general, attempts to activate the edge sometimes 
> triggered either the bow voice or no voice. Also, strikes on either 
> bow or edge could sometimes activate the choke, cutting off the 
voice 
> much too quickly. Many of these mishits could be attributed to poor 
> stick placement (sticking is simply not the same for e-cymbals as 
it 
> is for acoustics), but design certainly bears some responsibility. 
> The CY-6 wasn't necessarily worse in this respect than other stereo 
> cymbals; they all have their quirks that require time and effort to 
> tame. I recall having much more luck with the Zenbal stereos out of 
> the box, though other people have reported frustration with them, 
too-
> -at least for a while. Stephen Brown has been a longtime happy 
Zenbal 
> user; you can find his review of the Pintechs in our files section. 
> From what other members have written on this board, the Yamaha 
PCY65S 
> cymbal is not so prone to the difficulties that I found routine a 
> couple of years ago. 
> 
> One unfortunate thing about buying e-drum components is the general 
> inability to try them out first. We often depend on third-person 
> reports on boards like this one to get an idea about what we might 
> like. But the advice only works to the point where the personal 
> element takes over, and that is not always easy to determine. My 
> humble suggestion would be to keep the Rolands. Maybe when you get 
> more familiar with, or more curious about, other options, you'll 
want 
> to trade them for something else, but in the meantime, they will 
> probably serve you well. If eventually you think otherwise, a 
market 

> for them should still exist. 
> 
> Ed