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2004-01-20 by boomer535
I just picked up a used DTXpress kit and am not real happy with the rebound I'm getting with the sticks I was given with the set. They are Regal Tip 5B (nylon). Just beginning to get back into drumming after a long (35 yrs.) layoff. and I'm not really any good at it yet. Sure have lost a lot of coordination. Any suggestions for a newbie? Ken
2004-01-20 by distortion@rogers.com
I have been using wood tip 5A Zildjian Anti-Vibe sticks on the e-kit and so far I love them. They are a bit more expensive than normal Z sticks, but they feel great, IMHO. They come in 7A 5A 5B 2B. I use Easton Rock sticks for acoustic playing.. not that I do that anymore... =) boomer535 wrote:
> I just picked up a used DTXpress kit and am not real happy with the > rebound I'm getting with the sticks I was given with the set. They > are Regal Tip 5B (nylon). Just beginning to get back into drumming > after a long (35 yrs.) layoff. and I'm not really any good at it yet. > Sure have lost a lot of coordination. Any suggestions for a newbie? >
2004-01-20 by moosetication
--- boomer535 wrote: > I just picked up a used DTXpress kit and am not real > happy with the rebound I'm getting with the sticks > I was given with the set. They are Regal Tip 5B (nylon). > Just beginning to get back into drumming after a long > (35 yrs.) layoff. and I'm not really any good at it yet. Welcome to the electronic branch of the old age drummers club. Only kidding really, but there's a few of us here who match your description (my layoff was a mere 28 years). On the subject of sticks, rather than type it all over again I will cross-post something I put up on the Yahoo group drummzillaslair recently, which tells you about the sticks I use routinely (Vater 7A Manhattan). Stewart --- m_c_herlihy wrote: > Anyone playing with these new sticks from Zildjian? > Do they really cut down on vibration with > electronic kits? I've been using a pair of antivibe 5As for a while now. Firstly, yes, they really do cut down significantly on vibration. No question. The difference is instantly apparent. However, three caveats. First, they're not available in all sizes. They come only in 2B, 5A, 5B and 7A, so if you're into more unusual sizes and shapes then you're outta luck. Second, they feel different to the regular sticks of the same size. They work by replacing a core at the butt end of the stick with a hollow rubber contraption to absorb the vibration. This is not the same density as hickory, so the stick ends up more "top heavy" than a regular stick of the same size. If you're into lighter materials like maple, this will be less apparent. I don't have a problem with it, but finicky people might. Thirdly, they absorb vibration. Yes, this is a good thing, but it also affects the way the stick behaves in the hand. It's much less responsive because it swallows some of the rebound force. This is only really a big deal with rudimental work, for which gum rubber e- pads are hardly best suited anyway, but you can definitely feel the difference on, say, a Real-Feel pad. They form a part of my regular stick set. My approach is to use a lighter, thinner stick with a long taper as my regular stick. This absorbs more vibration into the taper and almost enhances the rebound without changing the behaviour of the stick. It still jars, but not as much as a thicker stick with a less pronounced, shorter taper. YOu don't need a heavy stick for e-drums anyway - just turn the volume up! I have three sticks I use regularly: Vater 7A Manhattan. These are a cross between 5A length and 7A diameter, but with a long, thin taper. I love these sticks! Zildjian 6A dip. Same dimensions as the Vater, but lighter. Ideally, they're too light for regular. I use these only when I'm suffering with the dropsy (I have very dry hands). Zildjian 5A antivibe. I use these only when my hands and wrists are getting fatigued. I will probably replace them with the 7A, and live with the half-inch less length. Stewart
2004-01-20 by distortion@rogers.com
> > First, they're not available in all sizes. They come only in 2B, 5A, > 5B and 7A, so if you're into more unusual sizes and shapes then > you're outta luck. Congratulations, I already said that in my post about the Z sticks... Most sticks are variations of these 4 types, just slight variations in taper, and bead. Excluding of course monster drum corps sticks... I spent too many years playing with them.. the Primary Printers of stix! =) > > Thirdly, they absorb vibration. Yes, this is a good thing, but it > also affects the way the stick behaves in the hand. It's much less > responsive because it swallows some of the rebound force. They don't feel like that to me. It is a good solid feel. Takes away the sense that I am banging away on moms old Tupperware and pie plates. BTW... Remember the OLD simmons pads, the hard phenolic surfaces! AAAH! An the rubber 'overshoes' they came out with after a few months, that you slid around the pads... ugh... > It still jars, but not > as much as a thicker stick with a less pronounced, shorter taper. YOu > don't need a heavy stick for e-drums anyway - just turn the volume > up! Some of us play a bit too hard to be depending on pencils to give us rebound "feel" even on pads. Some of us like working on it. You really need to try out different sticks and give them a shot, no matter what the advertizing spiel says they are and ignoring what kind of sticks "that famous guy" plays and other such nonsense. A friend of mine plays his kit with timbale sticks... he loves them.. and he is amazing... Just bite the bullet and buy a bunch of different sticks and try them out... on your own kit .. not some Real-Feel or Remo pad at the store. I have been pleasantly surprised at some sticks when I got to playing them. My fave sticks and my useage: Easton Ahead 5A Rocks Nylon tip - for general "real kit" playing, power pop, punk & rock, my fave stick Vic Firth Peter Erskine Wood tip - for light jazzy stuff, 50' & 60's music, for a great smooth ride sound! Pro Mark Oak 747B Nylon tip - rock and punk and country, nice side-stick Zildjian Anti-Vibe 5A - for e-drumming
> > > I have three sticks I use regularly: > > Vater 7A Manhattan. These are a cross between 5A length and 7A > diameter, but with a long, thin taper. I love these sticks! > > Zildjian 6A dip. Same dimensions as the Vater, but lighter. Ideally, > they're too light for regular. I use these only when I'm suffering > with the dropsy (I have very dry hands). > > Zildjian 5A antivibe. I use these only when my hands and wrists are > getting fatigued. I will probably replace them with the 7A, and live > with the half-inch less length. > > Stewart > > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress > > Alternate DTXpress site: > http://www.dtxpressions.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress/ > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > >
2004-01-20 by moosetication
--- distortion wrote: > Congratulations, I already said that in my post about > the Z sticks... Congratulations, you managed to miss the part where I said it was a cross-post. > Some of us like working on it... > You really need to try out different sticks and give > them a shot, no matter what the advertizing spiel says > they are and ignoring what kind of sticks "that famous > guy" plays and other such nonsense. Excuse me? Where did I earn that vituperation? I was providing an opinion to someone who asked, based on a lot of experimentation, explaining why I've settled on the three sticks I have. I apologise most humbly if you disapprove of my choices. Stewart
2004-01-20 by distortion@rogers.com
> > > Congratulations, I already said that in my post about > > the Z sticks... > > Congratulations, you managed to miss the part where I said it was a > cross-post. HA HA!! Touche! > > Excuse me? Where did I earn that vituperation? I hardly see where the post could be seen that way... ? Sorry if you felt that way. I shall try to elucidate upon my previous statement so as not to exasperate your umbrageous nature. =) I was merely saying that Boomer should just go out and experiment with what is out there in the forest. I used to run a drum shop and we would constantly get people of all ages coming in trying to duplicate some famous guy's gear, as if to somehow be like the artist in question and in turn, play like he or she... In other words, ignore what everyone else says, you reall have to find out for yourself Boomer... Phil Collins used to hack off the bottom inch or so of his sticks to make them feel right to him (before his own model came out).. Peart holds his sticks pretty high up... Copeland uses traditional grip.. this all works for them, all is fair game! > I was providing an > opinion to someone who asked, based on a lot of experimentation, > explaining why I've settled on the three sticks I have. I apologise > most humbly if you disapprove of my choices. As so was I. And I don't dissaprove of your choices or suggestions. And we shouldn't be so humble.. WE ARE DRUMMERS, DARN IT! =)
2004-01-20 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com
Gee, I feel like a wimp now, when I was much younger and played hard rock on a large accoustic, I only used two sizes, the tip end and the butt end. With the electronic set, I don't need the power, so I had to give up the up the butt end. 8<. Don't use what makes other people happy, use what makes you happy and feels right for you. : ) OGD > -----Original Message----- > From: moosetication [SMTP:moosetication@...] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:58 PM > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Stick selection > > --- boomer535 wrote: > > I just picked up a used DTXpress kit and am not real > > happy with the rebound I'm getting with the sticks > > I was given with the set. They are Regal Tip 5B (nylon). > > Just beginning to get back into drumming after a long > > (35 yrs.) layoff. and I'm not really any good at it yet. > > Welcome to the electronic branch of the old age drummers club. Only > kidding really, but there's a few of us here who match your > description (my layoff was a mere 28 years). > > On the subject of sticks, rather than type it all over again I will > cross-post something I put up on the Yahoo group drummzillaslair > recently, which tells you about the sticks I use routinely (Vater 7A > Manhattan). > > Stewart > > --- m_c_herlihy wrote: > > Anyone playing with these new sticks from Zildjian? > > Do they really cut down on vibration with > > electronic kits? > > I've been using a pair of antivibe 5As for a while now. > > Firstly, yes, they really do cut down significantly on vibration. No > question. The difference is instantly apparent. > > However, three caveats. > > First, they're not available in all sizes. They come only in 2B, 5A, > 5B and 7A, so if you're into more unusual sizes and shapes then > you're outta luck. > > Second, they feel different to the regular sticks of the same size. > They work by replacing a core at the butt end of the stick with a > hollow rubber contraption to absorb the vibration. This is not the > same density as hickory, so the stick ends up more "top heavy" than a > regular stick of the same size. If you're into lighter materials like > maple, this will be less apparent. I don't have a problem with it, > but finicky people might. > > Thirdly, they absorb vibration. Yes, this is a good thing, but it > also affects the way the stick behaves in the hand. It's much less > responsive because it swallows some of the rebound force. This is > only really a big deal with rudimental work, for which gum rubber e- > pads are hardly best suited anyway, but you can definitely feel the > difference on, say, a Real-Feel pad. > > They form a part of my regular stick set. My approach is to use a > lighter, thinner stick with a long taper as my regular stick. This > absorbs more vibration into the taper and almost enhances the rebound > without changing the behaviour of the stick. It still jars, but not > as much as a thicker stick with a less pronounced, shorter taper. YOu > don't need a heavy stick for e-drums anyway - just turn the volume > up! > > I have three sticks I use regularly: > > Vater 7A Manhattan. These are a cross between 5A length and 7A > diameter, but with a long, thin taper. I love these sticks! > > Zildjian 6A dip. Same dimensions as the Vater, but lighter. Ideally, > they're too light for regular. I use these only when I'm suffering > with the dropsy (I have very dry hands). > > Zildjian 5A antivibe. I use these only when my hands and wrists are > getting fatigued. I will probably replace them with the 7A, and live > with the half-inch less length. > > Stewart > > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress> > > Alternate DTXpress site: > <http://www.dtxpressions.com> > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress/> > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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2004-01-21 by buggoutbill
I've used three sticks so far: 2B throw-aways from Guitar Center - not bad, not great, average Vater 3A Wood tips (Fat Back) - nicer, what I usually use Vater Morgan Rose Alien Freak - I asked the guy at GC for a stick with a really fat head, he gave me these. A weird pair, but fun! In my exasperating 3 weeks with the kit, it seems like the fatter (bigger) the tip, the more volume I got with less force. Maybe it's just me though...I do find I need to get some grip tape for them. Like the the older, wiser members of the group said, you have to just try different sticks for yourself. Buy a couple pairs, and try them out. It's a small investment for a huge payoff. Bill --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "boomer535" <boomer17@a...> wrote: > I just picked up a used DTXpress kit and am not real happy with the > rebound I'm getting with the sticks I was given with the set. They > are Regal Tip 5B (nylon). Just beginning to get back into drumming > after a long (35 yrs.) layoff. and I'm not really any good at it yet.
> Sure have lost a lot of coordination. Any suggestions for a newbie? > > Ken
2004-01-21 by Stephanie Ellison
> On the subject of sticks, rather than type it all over again I will > cross-post something I put up on the Yahoo group drummzillaslair > recently, which tells you about the sticks I use routinely (Vater 7A > Manhattan). The sticks I like the best so far is the Vater Los Angeles 5A, which feel a bit smaller, lighter (important for lighter-framed drummers), and have nylon tips. Stephanie