Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hi guys.  I recently got a DTXIIISP and I'm loving it.  I stumbled 
upon this group while looking for some better instructions for the 
kit (the Yamaha manual really blows) and I'm glad I did since I've 
been able to get answers for just about every question I've had.

I got bit by the upgrade bug.  Just couldn't stand having an empty 
input in the back of the machine.  I got a TP120SD to replace my 
TP65s as the snare (wanted a bigger snare and to get rid of that bar 
over my knee).  I wanted to use my TP65s as a 4th Tom and use the 3-
zone capabilities to add some percussion sounds.  To do this I would 
have to swap about 3 pads around from their inputs.  

So my question is: Is there a way to swap inputs assignments or do I 
have to individually assign new voices for each pad for every single 
kit?

I've searched the archives and the manual but haven't been able to 
find and answer.

Thanks and sorry for the winded message.  Next one will be short, I 
promise.

> So my question is: Is there a way to swap inputs assignments or do I 
> have to individually assign new voices for each pad for every single 
> kit?

You can swap 1 and 9 (trigger setup, input exchange [In Excg]).

Not sure if that helps though!

Keith.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <keith@k...> wrote:
> > So my question is: Is there a way to swap inputs assignments or 
do I 
> > have to individually assign new voices for each pad for every 
single 
> > kit?
> 
> You can swap 1 and 9 (trigger setup, input exchange [In Excg]).
> 
> Not sure if that helps though!
> 
> Keith.

Thanks for the response Keith.  Let me give you a little more info.

I'm planning to move the TP65s to input 7 (3-zone crash input) and 
give it a 4th Tom sound with percussion on the rims,  then I'll move 
my PCY130s to one of the stereo inputs (input 5), and finally move 
Tom3 to the pad10 input.  When I do that, all the preset kits will be 
messed up.  As far as I can tell I have an uphill battle awaiting me.

Hope that clarifies my question.  Thanks,

Jaime

--- uac235 wrote:
> I'm planning to move the TP65s to input 7 (3-zone crash
> input) ... then I'll move my PCY130s to one of the stereo
> inputs (input 5)...

You realise that if you do this you will lose the ability to "choke" 
your PCY130S cymbal? Only inputs 1, 6 and 7 support choke.

> As far as I can tell I have an uphill battle awaiting me.

You do. As Keith said, the only support in the module for swapping 
or "remapping" inputs is the exchange of #1 and #9 for the situation 
where you move the KP65 to #9/10 to make use of the splitter. You 
will have to remap everything by hand I'm afraid.

Stewart

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" <moosetication@y...> 
wrote:
> --- uac235 wrote:
> > I'm planning to move the TP65s to input 7 (3-zone crash
> > input) ... then I'll move my PCY130s to one of the stereo
> > inputs (input 5)...
> 
> You realise that if you do this you will lose the ability 
to "choke" 
> your PCY130S cymbal? Only inputs 1, 6 and 7 support choke.
> 


If you still need the choking feature, you may still be able to get 
Yamaha to send you an update rom chip. The chip restores the choking 
feature to all inputs 1-8, similar to what was available on the 
Dtxpress I and what is currently available on the Dtxpress III. 

OGD

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "oldguydrummer" <rdamon@m...> wrote:
 you may still be able to get 
> Yamaha to send you an update rom chip. The chip restores the 
choking 
> feature to all inputs 1-8, similar to what was available on the 
> Dtxpress I and what is currently available on the Dtxpress III. 
> 
> OGD

If you look at the first photo in the module DTXPUII gallery, the ROM 
chip is the long horizontal socketed chip, just above and to the 
right of the round button battery.

OGD

> If you still need the choking feature, you may still be able to get 
> Yamaha to send you an update rom chip. The chip restores the choking 
> feature to all inputs 1-8, similar to what was available on the 
> Dtxpress I and what is currently available on the Dtxpress III. 
> 
> OGD

I think his kit is the III so should be OK?

Keith.

> You realise that if you do this you will lose the ability 
to "choke" 
> your PCY130S cymbal? Only inputs 1, 6 and 7 support choke.

I tried the PCY130s on input 5 (stereo input) and the choke worked 
fine.  Was this a problem with earlier modules?

> As far as I can tell I have an uphill battle awaiting me.
> 
> You will have to remap everything by hand I'm afraid.

Man, that's not cool at all.  Maybe this should be brought to 
Yamaha's attention for a possible improvement/upgrade.  The way I'm 
understanding it, once you swap or add any pads you lose all your 48 
factory drumkits.

I guess the next question is: can I edit the standard factory kits 
without using a user kit space?

--- uac235 wrote:
> I tried the PCY130s on input 5 (stereo input) and the
> choke worked fine.  Was this a problem with earlier
> modules?

Sorry, wasn't paying attention and didn't realise you had a III. 
Yes, this was a problem with II

> Maybe this should be brought to Yamaha's attention
> r a possible improvement/upgrade.

It's worth mentioning, but the odds on them doing something about it 
are negligible. 99% of users use stock configurations of pads and 
kits, so from ahard-nose Product Management perspective why should 
they bother?

> The way I'm understanding it, once you swap or add
> any pads you lose all your 48 factory drumkits.

"Lose" is rather an extreme statement. They will all still be there 
and be usable in some form. But if you've swapped pad types (put a 
tom pad on a cymbal input) the mappings won't be useful.

> ...can I edit the standard factory kits 
> without using a user kit space?

No. But I have a very custom setup, have had a DTXpress for over a 
year, and haven't even come close to using all the user kit slots. I 
think I'm up to 66, and that's only because I haven't cleared out 
some experimental setups. I guess I have ten kits I use regularly.

Stewart

Jaime,

Maybe you should re-consider your re-arrangement.  I think you are
trying to make use of your 3 zone snare which is now under utilised. 
You could just use it as a 2 zone, without all the shuffling around. 
If you then want yet another sound, buy another two or three zone pad
(or cymbal) for a stereo input and avoid all the shuffling.

Keith.

One of the neat features that Yamaha added on the Dtxpress III module is
when you select the RHH130 as the pad type for input no 8 (Hihat), the
module will disable the choking feature, so you can't accidentally "choke"
your hihat, unlike on the I/II(M) modules.
 
OGD

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From: Keith [] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:35 AM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Swapping Pad Input Assignments



> If you still need the choking feature, you may still be able to get 
> Yamaha to send you an update rom chip. The chip restores the choking 
> feature to all inputs 1-8, similar to what was available on the 
> Dtxpress I and what is currently available on the Dtxpress III. 
> 
> OGD

I think his kit is the III so should be OK?

Keith.


 
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