Digital BW, The Print

Are these two inksets compatible in terms of their native chemistry.  If so, then the dilutions could be manipulated by some variable amount to utilize in different printers.  Specifically, I have a 1280 using the MIS CFS system to support the UT2 Eboni set.  I read on one of Paul Roark's web pages the inks were, I believe he said, 'similar'.

Has anyone had any experience using the UT2 Eboni inkset in a K3 printer like the 2200?  That's my target printer.  I'd like to be able to either use both printers on the same inkset to hold my costs down or get rid of the 1280 and use just the 2200.

You thoughts and help are, as always, greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Mike

"mbrouphy" <mbrouphy@...> wrote:

> Are these two inksets compatible in terms of their native chemistry.

Yes.

> If so, then the dilutions could be manipulated by some variable amount
to utilize in different printers. Specifically, I have a 1280 using the
MIS CFS system to support the UT2 Eboni set.

The carbon inks are the same, but the cooled "toner" inks are different
blends.  The positions of the toner and carbon inks were swapped.

>
> ... the 2200? That's my target printer. I'd like to be able to either
use both printers on the same inkset to hold my costs down or get rid of
the 1280 and use just the 2200.

The UT7 LK is not a pure carbon LK.  It has been neutralized a bit.  One
of the problems with K2 and K3 printers and the variable tone inksets is
that the gray substitution of the Epson driver interferes with the tone
controls via PS curves.  You'll notice I never bothered with a K3
variable tone like the UT7.  The Y=EZ-Warm was it.

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.PaulRoark.com>





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Thanks, Paul for the quick feedback, as usual.

Now that I know the ink is the same, do I now use the UT7 you've written to configure the printer?  And, I've printed out some of the info on your website; but, can you direct me to your recommended link so I'll get it right.

Also, what considerations should I give to using QTR, which I do plan to use to print through?

Thanks, Mike


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> 
>   "mbrouphy" <mbrouphy@> wrote:
> 
> > Are these two inksets compatible in terms of their native chemistry.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > If so, then the dilutions could be manipulated by some variable amount
> to utilize in different printers. Specifically, I have a 1280 using the
> MIS CFS system to support the UT2 Eboni set.
> 
> The carbon inks are the same, but the cooled "toner" inks are different
> blends.  The positions of the toner and carbon inks were swapped.
> 
> >
> > ... the 2200? That's my target printer. I'd like to be able to either
> use both printers on the same inkset to hold my costs down or get rid of
> the 1280 and use just the 2200.
> 
> The UT7 LK is not a pure carbon LK.  It has been neutralized a bit.  One
> of the problems with K2 and K3 printers and the variable tone inksets is
> that the gray substitution of the Epson driver interferes with the tone
> controls via PS curves.  You'll notice I never bothered with a K3
> variable tone like the UT7.  The Y=EZ-Warm was it.
> 
> Paul
> 
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.PaulRoark.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

"mbrouphy" <mbrouphy@...> wrote:
>
> ... can you direct me to your recommended link so I'll get it right.

The links to the inksets by printer and inkset name are at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Inkset-list.html

 
> Also, what considerations should I give to using QTR, ...


If you're a QTR user you might be able to use similar profiles for both printers.  I'm not sure how close the heads are.  You might want to take a look at the ink limits for the same papers printed by the 2 printers you have.

As I mentioned previously, the LK (and LLK) Epson driver gray substitution interfered with the ability to control the inksets just with the PS curves.  QTR can overcome this -- just ignore the LK.  If both printers are treated as hextone printers with the same inkset and ink positions, the profiles might be close.  I'm not sure about this, but it might be worth checking out.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Thanks again Paul for your feedback.  I'm still a bit snowed by the LK/LLK issue, though.  If the LK is ignored then how is it accounted for in the profile?

BTW - Your article on UT7 refers to the setup for Arches Watercolor.  Have you had any experience with the Epson Fine Art Watercolor paper.  While I've been using the Red River GreenPix, my wife prints all of her composite work on the Epson paper.  How is this paper similar or not to the Arches WC paper?

Thanks, Mike


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> "mbrouphy" <mbrouphy@> wrote:
> >
> > ... can you direct me to your recommended link so I'll get it right.
> 
> The links to the inksets by printer and inkset name are at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Inkset-list.html
> 
>  
> > Also, what considerations should I give to using QTR, ...
> 
> 
> If you're a QTR user you might be able to use similar profiles for both printers.  I'm not sure how close the heads are.  You might want to take a look at the ink limits for the same papers printed by the 2 printers you have.
> 
> As I mentioned previously, the LK (and LLK) Epson driver gray substitution interfered with the ability to control the inksets just with the PS curves.  QTR can overcome this -- just ignore the LK.  If both printers are treated as hextone printers with the same inkset and ink positions, the profiles might be close.  I'm not sure about this, but it might be worth checking out.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

"mbrouphy" <mbrouphy@...> wrote:
>
> ... I'm still a bit snowed by the LK/LLK issue, though.  If the LK is ignored then how is it accounted for in the profile?

In QTR LK would be "Not Used."  (You would have some cart in it -- like a clear base, perhaps the C6 generic base I use or MIS UC base or cleaning fluid.)

The thought was that maybe there would be a way to unify to a certain extent the approaches -- inksets as well as profiles -- for the 6 and 7 ink printers by just ignoring the 7th position.

If you're not very familiar with QTR or profiling, however, you might want to consider stepping back to some inkset that is already set up with profiles.


> 
> BTW - Your article on UT7 refers to the setup for Arches Watercolor.  Have you had any experience with the Epson Fine Art Watercolor paper...

They are very different papers.  The water color papers made for inkjets are coated paper just like the smooth ones, except that they put a texture on them to simulate the look of a watercolor paper.  The  Arches is an un-coated paper (the real thing).

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Thanks...all I need now is to get a set of empty carts for the 2200.  Too bad the ones for the c86 won't fit.  After I get them and get things going, a task in itself, I'll deal with bifurcating my CFS so that it feeds both printers.  Thanks again, Mike
 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> "mbrouphy" <mbrouphy@> wrote:
> >
> > ... I'm still a bit snowed by the LK/LLK issue, though.  If the LK is ignored then how is it accounted for in the profile?
> 
> In QTR LK would be "Not Used."  (You would have some cart in it -- like a clear base, perhaps the C6 generic base I use or MIS UC base or cleaning fluid.)
> 
> The thought was that maybe there would be a way to unify to a certain extent the approaches -- inksets as well as profiles -- for the 6 and 7 ink printers by just ignoring the 7th position.
> 
> If you're not very familiar with QTR or profiling, however, you might want to consider stepping back to some inkset that is already set up with profiles.
> 
> 
> > 
> > BTW - Your article on UT7 refers to the setup for Arches Watercolor.  Have you had any experience with the Epson Fine Art Watercolor paper...
> 
> They are very different papers.  The water color papers made for inkjets are coated paper just like the smooth ones, except that they put a texture on them to simulate the look of a watercolor paper.  The  Arches is an un-coated paper (the real thing).
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>