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Stamping on back side of fine art prints - finding a good paper/stamp combo

Stamping on back side of fine art prints - finding a good paper/stamp combo

2010-07-19 by Martin

What would be the best combination of fine art paper and a stamp
method for applying a stamp on the back of large prints, 15 x 20 inch
and up ?

I've tried "Crane Museo Silver Rag" with an Xstamper (self inking).
The back side of the paper was not taking the ink easily and the
contour became bigger as the ink floated. It eventually dried
somewhat.

I then tried "Canson Platine Fiber Rag". The stamp dried much quicker
(back side is not coated).  However it seems that the ink enters into
the paper, shining slightly through to the front side!

I ended up writing all info by hand with a pencil - it was my first
sale of art for a collector.

Does anybody have experience with that issue? How would you put all
the art specs on the back of a photo using a professional looking
form?

Thanks,

Martin

Re: [Digital BW] Stamping on back side of fine art prints - finding a good paper/stamp combo

2010-07-19 by Mark Savoia

Unless you plan on doing hundreds I think the hand written with pencil  
is much more personable and the graphite will never fade.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com
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On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Martin wrote:

> I ended up writing all info by hand with a pencil - it was my first
> sale of art for a collector.

Re: [Digital BW] Stamping on back side of fine art prints - finding a good paper/stamp combo

2010-07-19 by John K Stacy

Have you tried clear inkjet labels??  You can put whatever info you want, whatever font you wish and graphics or your logo.  Once burnished to the paper, you can hardly tell it's a clear label, especially if you print right up to the edges.

John S.
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What would be the best combination of fine art paper and a stamp
method for applying a stamp on the back of large prints, 15 x 20 inch
and up ?


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Amazaing -- No clogging after 11 months in storage

2010-07-19 by Arthur Fink

This should be front page news!

Last August I packed away two Epson R800 printers that I use when 
teaching workshops.  I didn't do anything special at all -- just 
turned them off, and unplugged them.

Today, eleven months loater, I turned both on, ran a nozzle check, 
and both were perfect.  Not a single missing line segment!

Amazing.



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Re: [Digital BW] Amazaing -- No clogging after 11 months in storage

2010-07-19 by Mark Savoia

What inks?

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com
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On Jul 19, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Arthur Fink wrote:

> 
> This should be front page news!
> 
> Last August I packed away two Epson R800 printers that I use when 
> teaching workshops.  I didn't do anything special at all -- just 
> turned them off, and unplugged them.
> 
> Today, eleven months loater, I turned both on, ran a nozzle check, 
> and both were perfect.  Not a single missing line segment!
> 
> Amazing.
>

Re: [Digital BW] Amazing -- No clogging after 11 months in storage

2010-07-19 by John K Stacy

Well, I guess this settles the debate on whether or not to turn your printer off when not in use for a period of time!!!

Looks like "OFF" is the winner!!

Now, why dose MY printer clog when I turn it off for only a few DAYS!!!!????   LOL

John S.
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This should be front page news!

Last August I packed away two Epson R800 printers that I use when 
teaching workshops. I didn't do anything special at all -- just 
turned them off, and unplugged them.

Today, eleven months loater, I turned both on, ran a nozzle check, 
and both were perfect. Not a single missing line segment!

Amazing.

Arthur Fink Photography



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Re: [Digital BW] Amazing -- No clogging after 11 months in storage

2010-07-20 by CorrPro96@aol.com

In a message dated 7/19/2010 7:54:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
John_K_Stacy@... writes:

Well, I  guess this settles the debate on whether or not to turn your 
printer off when  not in use for a period of time!!!

Looks like "OFF" is the  winner!!

Now, why dose MY printer clog when I turn it off for only a  few 
DAYS!!!!????   LOL

John S.



There is an old saying about life in New York City.....
 
"In order to live in NYC, you have to be willing to be lucky"
 
In order to print on Epsons ( I have had 12 ).....  you have to be  willing 
to be lucky.
 
 
Rich (in NYC)
 
_www.rmassiephotography.com_ (http://www.rmassiephotography.com) 
 
 


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Re: [Digital BW] Amazaing -- No clogging after 11 months in storage

2010-07-20 by Arthur Fink

At 07:49 PM 7/19/2010, Mark Savoia wrote:
>
>
>What inks?

Epson OEM



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RE: [Digital BW] Amazaing -- No clogging after 11 months in storage

2010-07-20 by E.Neilsen

How were they stored? In boxes or just in a closet on a shelf?  And of
course, there is the days after they start up and the ink shakes around for
a while and... 

 

Eric Neilsen

Eric Neilsen Photography

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Dallas, TX 75226

 

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At 07:49 PM 7/19/2010, Mark Savoia wrote:
>
>
>What inks?

Epson OEM

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Re: Amazaing -- No clogging after 11 months in storage

2010-07-20 by ben

I have four R1800, and a R800.  The only time I had head clogging problems with these printers, was when I used third party inks.  Because of the cost of wasted time, printer maintenance, and wasted ink, I found using the OEM less expensive.

I have wasted thousands of dollars trying different CIS, refillable cartridges, different inks, making profiles, all the results were unsatisfactory.

Life is much simpler when one does not need to fight clogging.  Print making much more enjoyable. he good news is that returning to OEM inks will reverse the problems caused by third party inks.

Ben


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> At 07:49 PM 7/19/2010, Mark Savoia wrote:
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> >What inks?
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> Epson OEM
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>         Arthur Fink Photography
> 
>      Studio / Gallery in Portland, Maine, and also on Peaks Island
>      www.arthurfinkphoto.com af@...  207.615.5722
> 
>      Read, and comment on, my blog: www.InsightAndClarity.com
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Re: Amazaing -- No clogging after 11 months in storage

2010-07-20 by Paul

>... The only time I had head clogging problems with these printers, was when I used third party inks.  ...


While it may be true that, on average, third party inks clog more frequently than OEM inks, the manufacturer or type of ink is just one of several factors that correlate with this problem.

As a counter example, the used 7800 with OEM ink I purchases a year or so ago was badly clogged with the OEM inks and has never had a clog with the Carbon-6 midtone inks, which are the cheapest inks I'm aware of and, as far as I can tell, far more lightfast than the OEM color inks.

A couple of the factors in clogging, aside from infrequent use of the printer, that I'd like to point out include binders needed for glossy printing as well as the quality of the printer and its capping station.

With respect to the binders, my observation is that in a matte paper only ink the binders can be very low if not totally lacking.  Carbon-6 came out of a project to make a "workable" carbon inkset for a well known watercolor painter.  She wanted to be able to smear the image with a wet brush.  That failed because the carbon is so fine and buries itself so well into the paper and coating that no binder is needed.  With no binder, there appear to be virtually no clogs with this inkset.  The glue that sticks the pigment to the slick glossy paper also sticks the particles together and to the heads.  This appears to be the case whether the binder is a coating on the pigment or in the fluid base, but the latter strategy does appear to cause more problems -- although it also lowers the bronzing.

The Epson printers are getting better.  The 1400 has amazed a number of us with how well it seems to resist clogging.  I think a major part of this is the quality of the capping station.  How well the capping station seals and thus retains the moisture has been identified as a major factor for years with those who have wide format printers.  

I believe the modern Epson printers also have a teflon coating the heads to help avoid the pigments sticking to them.

At any rate, I don't think one can categorically condemn third party inks.  If we're just looking at the matte paper only versions, I'd even go so far as to say that my experience is that they may clog less than the OEM inks.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: Amazaing -- No clogging after 11 months in storage

2010-07-20 by Tom Garrett

Paul to confirm your observations; I have had several Epson printers and had some clogging problems with them
both with OEM inks and third party inks.  Since replacing my 1800 with a 1900, which I use for color printing, I've had
no clogging problem.  With it I use an Inkjetfly CISI.  I also have a 1400 didicated to black and white and use Eboni-6 inks and have had no problem.  Those two experiences suggest that Epson has done something to slow the clogging problem.           I do believe that extreme low humitiy areas are more prone to clogging than higher humidity
areas.  Since I live in the high and dry Texas Panhandle I run a humidifier if the humidity gets too low.  As for 3rd party
inks it is my opinion (not worth a cup of coffe at McDonalds) that like other products there are some very high quality
ones and some really bad quality ones.
Tom Garrett

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Re: [Digital BW] Stamping on back side of fine art prints - finding a good paper/stamp combo

2010-07-20 by Mark Savoia

Got one, it works, but depending on the end art buyer, they may not  
like it.

Mark
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On Jul 20, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Lew Schwartz wrote:

> Has anyone thought about or tried an embosser for this purpose? I  
> don't know
> how well it'd do given the thickness of most fine art papers.
>

Re: [Digital BW] Stamping on back side of fine art prints - finding a good paper/stamp combo

2010-07-20 by Lew Schwartz

Can you use it with any weight paper? Mind sharing your source?

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Mark Savoia <mark@...>wrote:

>
>
> Got one, it works, but depending on the end art buyer, they may not
> like it.
>
>
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>
> On Jul 20, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Lew Schwartz wrote:
>
> > Has anyone thought about or tried an embosser for this purpose? I
> > don't know
> > how well it'd do given the thickness of most fine art papers.
> >
>
>  
>


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Re: [Digital BW] Stamping on back side of fine art prints - finding a good paper/stamp combo

2010-07-21 by Tony Sleep

On 20/07/2010 Lew Schwartz wrote:
> Has anyone thought about or tried an embosser for this purpose? I 
> don't know
> how well it'd do given the thickness of most fine art papers.

Can't see the point. You can only use an embossed impression on the 
border, and it if mounted will have to be cut off to allow a matt to sit flat.

OTOH since asking about this I have experimented with rubber stamps and 
both trad ink and spirit based and neither are satisfactory. Trad ink just 
doesn't dry on most papers, whilst spirit-based (like permanent marker 
ink) tends to print through. The spirit based stuff also dries out on the 
pad very quickly, a few days even if the lid is a fairly good seal.

I'm still looking for a very pale gray pad ink that behaves reasonably, 
quite likely a dilute inkjet formulation would be worth trying.
-- 
Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

Re: [Digital BW] Stamping on back side of fine art prints - finding a good paper/stamp combo

2010-07-21 by Martin

I tried the Xstamper (#N28 size) on Canson Platine Fiber Rag (310 g/m2)
while pressing the stamp this time only very, very short and lightly -- the
stamp was good visible. So far the ink has dried fairly quickly, won't smear
and most importantly, has not appeared on the front side of the paper, not
shining through when placed on an opaque surface (but who knows how this may
be in 30 years from now).

I wonder... is there a photo paper out there with a paper back (to take the
pen/stamp), then a middle layer of plastic (to shield any pen/stamp fluid
from passing to the front) and then the actual layer for the fine art print?
It would make so much sense... (maybe I should suggest this to some
manufacturers!).

The clear label idea is good. I'm not sure how art collectors react to this.

-Martin


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Re: [Digital BW] Stamping on back side of fine art prints - finding a good paper/stamp combo

2010-07-21 by john

This embossing idea goes back as far as the Baroque era at least in the West, and centuries farther back than that in Asia. It was used as a a verification of the authenticity of the print studio that created it. In the digital age this technique was picked up by the Iris 3047 studios to mark editions. Ironically the Asian wood block ink prints are in many cases still  very much intact while most of the Iris prints are deteriorating fast if they are still here at all. But who cares about longevity and authenticity these days. Not many. I just use a pencil.

john

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tony Sleep <TonySleep@...> wrote:
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>
> On 20/07/2010 Lew Schwartz wrote:
> > Has anyone thought about or tried an embosser for this purpose? I 
> > don't know
> > how well it'd do given the thickness of most fine art papers.
> 
> Can't see the point. You can only use an embossed impression on the 
> border, and it if mounted will have to be cut off to allow a matt to sit flat.
> 
> OTOH since asking about this I have experimented with rubber stamps and 
> both trad ink and spirit based and neither are satisfactory. Trad ink just 
> doesn't dry on most papers, whilst spirit-based (like permanent marker 
> ink) tends to print through. The spirit based stuff also dries out on the 
> pad very quickly, a few days even if the lid is a fairly good seal.
> 
> I'm still looking for a very pale gray pad ink that behaves reasonably, 
> quite likely a dilute inkjet formulation would be worth trying.
> -- 
> Regards
> 
> Tony Sleep
> http://tonysleep.co.uk
>

Re: Amazaing -- No clogging after 11 months in storage

2010-07-21 by ascherjim@aol.com

To confirm what Paul says from my own experience (and with Paul's earlier advice), with my 1400 printer with carbon-6, partially of my own mixing, and a CIS system and printing on matte paper, I've not (yet) after many months of use with many days between printing, experienced any clogging.
 

 




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RE: [Digital BW] Amazaing -- No clogging after 11 months in storage

2010-07-21 by Arthur Fink

At 08:44 AM 7/20/2010, E.Neilsen wrote:
>
>
>How were they stored? In boxes or just in a closet on a shelf? And of
>course, there is the days after they start up and the ink shakes around for
>a while and...

They were in cardboard boxes, stored in my air conditioned office.


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RE: [Digital BW] Amazaing -- No clogging after 11 months in storage

2010-07-22 by Eric Neilsen

Enclosed and cool. thanks

 

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At 08:44 AM 7/20/2010, E.Neilsen wrote:
>
>
>How were they stored? In boxes or just in a closet on a shelf? And of
>course, there is the days after they start up and the ink shakes around for
>a while and...

They were in cardboard boxes, stored in my air conditioned office.

Arthur Fink Photography

Studio / Gallery in Portland, Maine, and also on Peaks Island
www.arthurfinkphoto.com af@...
<mailto:af%40arthurfinkphoto.com>  207.615.5722

Read, and comment on, my blog: www.InsightAndClarity.com

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