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I just found this press release from Nikon.
 
http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/news_release/2002/d100.htm

Does anybody know if this is for sale yet?
  
The Fuji S2 isn't due until July and that is based on the N80.  If 
the Nikon D100 is based on the F100 as its specs. suggest, this 
will be a more manageable camera than the oversized D1X and 
a more solid camera than the S2.  Of course, I would only use it 
for black and white.

Frank

Nikon has announced that they would announce some new camera at 
PMA... hard to tell if this is the only one, but this one is not 
available in stores yet.

Could be an interesting week, next week <g>

tom o'connell


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<frank@c...> wrote:

> I just found this press release from Nikon.
>  
> http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/news_release/2002/d100.htm
> 
> Does anybody know if this is for sale yet?
>   
> The Fuji S2 isn't due until July and that is based on the N80.  If 
> the Nikon D100 is based on the F100 as its specs. suggest, this 
> will be a more manageable camera than the oversized D1X and 
> a more solid camera than the S2.  Of course, I would only use it 
> for black and white.
> 
> Frank

> Does anybody know if this is for sale yet?
> 
> The Fuji S2 isn't due until July and that is based on the N80.  If the
> Nikon D100 is based on the F100 as its specs. suggest, this will be a
> more manageable camera than the oversized D1X and a more solid camera
> than the S2.  Of course, I would only use it for black and white.
> 
> Frank

Frank - the D100 is based on the N80 and the D1X is based on the 
F100.  It's all made quite clear in the spec sheets.

Greg

The D100 is based on an F80 body just like the S2, but as they're Nikon they 
could change the body to make for a better solution, hence their "only shares 
some components" quote from http://www.dpreview.com/articles/nikond100/

The D100 nonemclature is pure marketing guff - I've seen lots of people think 
that it's based on the F100 because of the number...

On Sunday 24 Feb 2002 12:19 am, culturalvisions wrote:
> I just found this press release from Nikon.
>
> http://www.nikon-image.com/eng/news_release/2002/d100.htm
>
> Does anybody know if this is for sale yet?
>
> The Fuji S2 isn't due until July and that is based on the N80.  If
> the Nikon D100 is based on the F100 as its specs. suggest, this
> will be a more manageable camera than the oversized D1X and
> a more solid camera than the S2.  Of course, I would only use it
> for black and white.

I've always said that Nikon SHOULD have made the D1X on the F5 frame 
instead of the F100. (especially for the $5k+ price tag) Then the D100 on 
the F100 frame.  It makes far more sense to me but then they didn't call to 
ask my opinion and I'm not an overpaid suit making decisions in the Nikon 
Board Room either.

Greg

> The D100 is based on an F80 body just like the S2, but as they're
> Nikon they could change the body to make for a better solution, hence
> their "only shares some components" quote from
> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/nikond100/
> 
> The D100 nonemclature is pure marketing guff - I've seen lots of
> people think that it's based on the F100 because of the number...

On 2/26/02 5:36 PM, "Pics4U@..." <Pics4U@...> wrote:

> I've always said that Nikon SHOULD have made the D1X on the F5 frame

They did make the D1x on the F5 frame...at least mine is...minus the mirror
lockup...it sure as heck isn't my D100.

Robert

> > I've always said that Nikon SHOULD have made the D1X on the F5 frame
> 
> They did make the D1x on the F5 frame...at least mine is...minus the
> mirror lockup...it sure as heck isn't my D100.
> 
> Robert

Unless your's is somehow different than the one in my camera case, 
I think you are mistaken. The D1X uses an F100 frame. NOT F5. I 
can sit both my F100 with optional battery pack side by side with my 
D1X and they look nearly identical. Better read the manual again 
Robert, you missed that part.

Greg

Here' a quote from Phil Askey's dpreview review of the D1...the D1x was
built on the same body...

"Many parts of the D1 bear more than a passing resemblance to other members
of the Nikon SLR family such as the F5 and F100. Indeed when I was first
introduced to the D1 I was told that its design was half F5 and half F100
(it's difficult to see which halves, but sufficient to say strength wise
it's closer to the F5)."

End of Askey quote...beginning of my comments.  First of all there is
nothing in the manual about what body the D1x is.  Nikon has not made an
"official" statement about that.

You don't even need a ruler to see that a D1x (to my right) is not the same
as a D100 (to my left).  Just a few examples of differences include the
D1x's prism chamber (which is identical to a F5...(3" on D1x, 2.5# on the
D100) with the diopter adjustment knob moved around to the back on the D100.
Top face buttons on the D1x are like the F5, not the D100.  The angle of the
trigger face is different between the two cameras.  There are numerous other
differences and many similarities (like there are between the F5 and the
D100, but I would definitely side with Askey in his quote above.

I purchased the cameras that I'm describing:

D1--spring of 2000
D1x--fall of 2001
D100--summer of 2001
Sold my F5 when I bought the D100...so I don't have one in front of me

Robert


On 2/27/02 4:36 AM, "Pics4U@..." <Pics4U@...> wrote:

>>> I've always said that Nikon SHOULD have made the D1X on the F5 frame
>> 
>> They did make the D1x on the F5 frame...at least mine is...minus the
>> mirror lockup...it sure as heck isn't my D100.
>> 
>> Robert
> 
> Unless your's is somehow different than the one in my camera case,
> I think you are mistaken. The D1X uses an F100 frame. NOT F5. I
> can sit both my F100 with optional battery pack side by side with my
> D1X and they look nearly identical. Better read the manual again
> Robert, you missed that part.
> 
> Greg
> 
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Nikon advertises the D1X is modeled on the F5 camera.

Jerry




"Robert G. Moron" wrote:

> 
> On 2/26/02 5:36 PM, "Pics4U@..." <Pics4U@...> wrote:
> 
> > I've always said that Nikon SHOULD have made the D1X on the F5 frame
> 
> They did make the D1x on the F5 frame...at least mine is...minus the mirror
> lockup...it sure as heck isn't my D100.
> 
> Robert
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Robert,

Just one fact checker note. You refer to a D100, which I think we all assume
to be an F100 (at least I do). However, since Nikon announced an upcoming
digicam called the D100, which some beta testers may have on hand (you?),
perhaps you could clarify exactly to which model you do in fact refer?

Thanks,
Todd

> Here' a quote from Phil Askey's dpreview review of the D1...the D1x was
> built on the same body...
> 
> "Many parts of the D1 bear more than a passing resemblance to other members
> of the Nikon SLR family such as the F5 and F100. Indeed when I was first
> introduced to the D1 I was told that its design was half F5 and half F100
> (it's difficult to see which halves, but sufficient to say strength wise
> it's closer to the F5)."
> 
> End of Askey quote...beginning of my comments.  First of all there is
> nothing in the manual about what body the D1x is.  Nikon has not made an
> "official" statement about that.
> 
> You don't even need a ruler to see that a D1x (to my right) is not the same
> as a D100 (to my left).  Just a few examples of differences include the
> D1x's prism chamber (which is identical to a F5...(3" on D1x, 2.5# on the
> D100) with the diopter adjustment knob moved around to the back on the D100.
> Top face buttons on the D1x are like the F5, not the D100.  The angle of the
> trigger face is different between the two cameras.  There are numerous other
> differences and many similarities (like there are between the F5 and the
> D100, but I would definitely side with Askey in his quote above.
> 
> I purchased the cameras that I'm describing:
> 
> D1--spring of 2000
> D1x--fall of 2001
> D100--summer of 2001
> Sold my F5 when I bought the D100...so I don't have one in front of me
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> On 2/27/02 4:36 AM, "Pics4U@..." <Pics4U@...> wrote:
> 
>>>> I've always said that Nikon SHOULD have made the D1X on the F5 frame
>>> 
>>> They did make the D1x on the F5 frame...at least mine is...minus the
>>> mirror lockup...it sure as heck isn't my D100.
>>> 
>>> Robert
>> 
>> Unless your's is somehow different than the one in my camera case,
>> I think you are mistaken. The D1X uses an F100 frame. NOT F5. I
>> can sit both my F100 with optional battery pack side by side with my
>> D1X and they look nearly identical. Better read the manual again
>> Robert, you missed that part.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> 
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That is pretty impressive Robert! Impressive that Nikon has not even
started shipping them yet and just announced the D100 a few days ago.
You must have some kind of connections at Nikon!  <g>

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...] 
I purchased the cameras that I'm describing:

D1--spring of 2000
D1x--fall of 2001
D100--summer of 2001
Sold my F5 when I bought the D100...so I don't have one in front of me

Robert

Can ask where you have seen that?  If you go to the B&H website or 
catalog it clearly says F100.  I'm not trying to dispute, I just want to 
know.

When I bought our first D1X, one of the biggest suprises and  
disappointments for me was that it was on the F100. It looked the 
same as our current F100's, just about everything about it seemed 
like the F100. That made the transition easier but...I still felt cheated 
somehow.

BTW: even though the finder is a bit taller than the F100, look at the 
specs for the F5, F100 and D1X.  The F5 is a 100% viewable frame 
finder. The F100 and D1X are 96%. The F100/D1X has 
superimposed AF areas, the F5 does NOT. The F5 does 7 fps while 
the D1X 3 fps and the F100 4 fps.

Since it's "supposed" to be such conglomeration of both, it doesn't 
really matter. I just seems that at that price it SHOULD be F5 and I'd 
really like to see it in writing. Preferably officially from Nikon.

Greg

> Nikon advertises the D1X is modeled on the F5 camera.
> 
> Jerry

I saw a full color ad that nikon had in one of the photo magazines that
very clearly stated the D1X was based on an F5 body.

Jerry



Pics4U@... wrote:

> 
> Can ask where you have seen that?  If you go to the B&H website or
> catalog it clearly says F100.  I'm not trying to dispute, I just want to
> know.
> 
> When I bought our first D1X, one of the biggest suprises and
> disappointments for me was that it was on the F100. It looked the
> same as our current F100's, just about everything about it seemed
> like the F100. That made the transition easier but...I still felt cheated
> somehow.
> 
> BTW: even though the finder is a bit taller than the F100, look at the
> specs for the F5, F100 and D1X.  The F5 is a 100% viewable frame
> finder. The F100 and D1X are 96%. The F100/D1X has
> superimposed AF areas, the F5 does NOT. The F5 does 7 fps while
> the D1X 3 fps and the F100 4 fps.
> 
> Since it's "supposed" to be such conglomeration of both, it doesn't
> really matter. I just seems that at that price it SHOULD be F5 and I'd
> really like to see it in writing. Preferably officially from Nikon.
> 
> Greg
> 
> > Nikon advertises the D1X is modeled on the F5 camera.
> >
> > Jerry
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Sorry...I meant F100...

Robert

On 2/27/02 9:55 AM, "Todd Flashner" <tflash@...> wrote:

> Robert,
> 
> Just one fact checker note. You refer to a D100, which I think we all assume
> to be an F100 (at least I do). However, since Nikon announced an upcoming
> digicam called the D100, which some beta testers may have on hand (you?),
> perhaps you could clarify exactly to which model you do in fact refer?
> 
> Thanks,
> Todd
> 
>> Here' a quote from Phil Askey's dpreview review of the D1...the D1x was
>> built on the same body...
>> 
>> "Many parts of the D1 bear more than a passing resemblance to other members
>> of the Nikon SLR family such as the F5 and F100. Indeed when I was first
>> introduced to the D1 I was told that its design was half F5 and half F100
>> (it's difficult to see which halves, but sufficient to say strength wise
>> it's closer to the F5)."
>> 
>> End of Askey quote...beginning of my comments.  First of all there is
>> nothing in the manual about what body the D1x is.  Nikon has not made an
>> "official" statement about that.
>> 
>> You don't even need a ruler to see that a D1x (to my right) is not the same
>> as a D100 (to my left).  Just a few examples of differences include the
>> D1x's prism chamber (which is identical to a F5...(3" on D1x, 2.5# on the
>> D100) with the diopter adjustment knob moved around to the back on the D100.
>> Top face buttons on the D1x are like the F5, not the D100.  The angle of the
>> trigger face is different between the two cameras.  There are numerous other
>> differences and many similarities (like there are between the F5 and the
>> D100, but I would definitely side with Askey in his quote above.
>> 
>> I purchased the cameras that I'm describing:
>> 
>> D1--spring of 2000
>> D1x--fall of 2001
>> D100--summer of 2001
>> Sold my F5 when I bought the D100...so I don't have one in front of me
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/27/02 4:36 AM, "Pics4U@..." <Pics4U@...> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> I've always said that Nikon SHOULD have made the D1X on the F5 frame
>>>> 
>>>> They did make the D1x on the F5 frame...at least mine is...minus the
>>>> mirror lockup...it sure as heck isn't my D100.
>>>> 
>>>> Robert
>>> 
>>> Unless your's is somehow different than the one in my camera case,
>>> I think you are mistaken. The D1X uses an F100 frame. NOT F5. I
>>> can sit both my F100 with optional battery pack side by side with my
>>> D1X and they look nearly identical. Better read the manual again
>>> Robert, you missed that part.
>>> 
>>> Greg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Ok, ok, ok, F100...

Robert

On 2/27/02 12:53 PM, "Murray Zaharia" <zaharia@...>
wrote:

> That is pretty impressive Robert! Impressive that Nikon has not even
> started shipping them yet and just announced the D100 a few days ago.
> You must have some kind of connections at Nikon!  <g>
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...]
> I purchased the cameras that I'm describing:
> 
> D1--spring of 2000
> D1x--fall of 2001
> D100--summer of 2001
> Sold my F5 when I bought the D100...so I don't have one in front of me
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I seem to recall that the metering was the F5's module rather than the 
F100's, which was the real source of the "cross between F5 and F100" 
comments, not the body shape.

As for comparing prices between digi and film cams based on the same body, 
look at the Fuji S1 compared to the price of an F60.

On Wednesday 27 Feb 2002 9:40 pm, Pics4U@... wrote:
> Can ask where you have seen that?  If you go to the B&H website or
> catalog it clearly says F100.  I'm not trying to dispute, I just want to
> know.
>
> When I bought our first D1X, one of the biggest suprises and
> disappointments for me was that it was on the F100. It looked the
> same as our current F100's, just about everything about it seemed
> like the F100. That made the transition easier but...I still felt cheated
> somehow.
>
> BTW: even though the finder is a bit taller than the F100, look at the
> specs for the F5, F100 and D1X.  The F5 is a 100% viewable frame
> finder. The F100 and D1X are 96%. The F100/D1X has
> superimposed AF areas, the F5 does NOT. The F5 does 7 fps while
> the D1X 3 fps and the F100 4 fps.
>
> Since it's "supposed" to be such conglomeration of both, it doesn't
> really matter. I just seems that at that price it SHOULD be F5 and I'd
> really like to see it in writing. Preferably officially from Nikon.
>
> Greg
>
> > Nikon advertises the D1X is modeled on the F5 camera.
> >
> > Jerry
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