Digital BW, The Print

I've been following this list for some time and sometimes I think that my 
confusion gets worse.  So let me state my objective and just ask for help on 
system recommendations.

I want to dedicate a printer to B&W printing only.  I want to be able to 
print up to 11X14.  I care tremendously about archival print quality.  I'm 
thinking that a continuous ink supply system is the way to go but I'd even be 
happy to be educated about problems, if any, with that.  My total budget is 
up to $1500 (although I'm not opposed to purchasing something below $1000).

Does anyone have any recommendations regarding which printer and which 
inks/pigments meet my needs.  

Thanks for any help.

Get the Epson 1280 and the Cone Piezography Software, CIS and inks.
www.inkjetmall.com.



Drew
At 11:31 PM 3/4/02, you wrote:
>I've been following this list for some time and sometimes I think that my
>confusion gets worse.  So let me state my objective and just ask for help on
>system recommendations.
>
>I want to dedicate a printer to B&W printing only.  I want to be able to
>print up to 11X14.  I care tremendously about archival print quality.  I'm
>thinking that a continuous ink supply system is the way to go but I'd even be
>happy to be educated about problems, if any, with that.  My total budget is
>up to $1500 (although I'm not opposed to purchasing something below $1000).
>
>Does anyone have any recommendations regarding which printer and which
>inks/pigments meet my needs.
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>
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I just got going with a used 1160 (a tad over $200) and a CFS kit and 
inkset from MIS (sepia>neutral quadtones). Their prices are all 
online. 
I also bought Eclipse Satine in various sizes (www.photoinkjet.com)
This "system" is producing beautiful prints and I can recommend it. 
And it's well under your budget.
hth
frankg


> I've been following this list for some time and sometimes I think 
that my 
> confusion gets worse.  So let me state my objective and just ask 
for help on 
> system recommendations.
> 
> I want to dedicate a printer to B&W printing only.  I want to be 
able to 
> print up to 11X14.  I care tremendously about archival print 
quality.  I'm 
> thinking that a continuous ink supply system is the way to go but 
I'd even be 
> happy to be educated about problems, if any, with that.  My total 
budget is 
> up to $1500 (although I'm not opposed to purchasing something below 
$1000).
> 
> Does anyone have any recommendations regarding which printer and 
which 

> inks/pigments meet my needs.  
> 
> Thanks for any help.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., interrogtr@a... wrote:
> I've been following this list for some time and sometimes I 
think that my 
> confusion gets worse.  So let me state my objective and just 
ask for help on 
> system recommendations.
> 
> I want to dedicate a printer to B&W printing only.  I want to be 
able to 
> print up to 11X14.  I care tremendously about archival print 
quality.  I'm 
> thinking that a continuous ink supply system is the way to go 
but I'd even be 
> happy to be educated about problems, if any, with that.  My total 
budget is 
> up to $1500 (although I'm not opposed to purchasing 
something below $1000).
> 
> Does anyone have any recommendations regarding which 
printer and which 
> inks/pigments meet my needs.  
> 
> Thanks for any help.


Best printer: Epson 1280/1290 (up to 13x19)
Best out of the box system: Piezo Driver / Cone ink.
Cheaper version: Piezo driver / MIS FS ink.
(So you may buy the Cone set with normal carts and then switch 
to a CIS with MIS FS ink).
Cheapest system: MIS VM with Paul´s curves, no special 
software required (but somehow the system with the most 
tweaking quarrel).
Bernd

Okay, here's my take.

Epson 1280 which will get you up to 13x19 or 13" rolls - $500

CIS - $250 to $300

Ink and workflow choices:

MIS VM inks - $52
Paul Roark's curves - Free

or

MIS FS inks - $52
Piezo driver - $335
(You buy the software for the 1160 which includes software for all the
Epson's Piezo supports and comes with a set of cartridges of Piezo ink you
toss. They don't sell the software alone but I think $335 is not a bad
price.)

Both workflow will make excellent prints. You may find the learning curve
will be easier with the Piezo driver.

Martin Wesley


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Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:31 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Newbie question: what wide printer and B&W ink set???


> I've been following this list for some time and sometimes I think that my
> confusion gets worse.  So let me state my objective and just ask for help
on
> system recommendations.
>
> I want to dedicate a printer to B&W printing only.  I want to be able to
> print up to 11X14.  I care tremendously about archival print quality.  I'm
> thinking that a continuous ink supply system is the way to go but I'd even
be
> happy to be educated about problems, if any, with that.  My total budget
is
> up to $1500 (although I'm not opposed to purchasing something below
$1000).
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations regarding which printer and which
> inks/pigments meet my needs.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames."
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
resources on the homepage.

>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

1280 Printer,  MIS archival hextone inks for black and white. If you like cold tones, get the VM variable tone inkset, and use Paul Roark's
curves. Gorgeous prints! Get a continuous inking system from Mediastreet. It's called Niagara. Best on the market.

Jerry

PS you can print up to 12.5x44 inches.

Hi Drew
I noticed you suggested the Inkjet mall and the Piezography™BW. do you think 
its the better way to go rather than the MIS stuff? Sorry I am new and I´m 
beginning to get really confused!!
At the moment I´m using Lyson Quadblack in my epson1200.
Regards
paul Mapstone

"frankg_photo" <frank@f...> 
wrote:
 
> I also bought Eclipse Satine in various sizes (www.photoinkjet.com)
> This "system" is producing beautiful prints and I can recommend it. 

Hello Frank,

I have a question to You about the Eclipse Satine. Is the surface of 
that paper a semimatte or is it just a matte like Epson Archival 
Matte?
I am looking for a paper that is little less matte than that.
How does it perform compared to EAM??

greetings,

Piotr 

piotr.janowski@...

I'm having great success using PiezographyBW software with the MIS Full
Spectrum ink.  In fact, I'm having a lot less trouble with the MIS ink than
I did with the Cone ink, ie. none at all.  Check it out.

STEPHEN    JENNINGS
    P h o t o g r a p h e r
       Cambridge, MA
sgjennin@...

> Hi Drew
> I noticed you suggested the Inkjet mall and the PiezographyBW. do you think
> its the better way to go rather than the MIS stuff? Sorry I am new and I´m
> beginning to get really confused!!
> At the moment I´m using Lyson Quadblack in my epson1200.
> Regards
> paul Mapstone