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Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM cartridges

2002-03-04 by Martin Wesley

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Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:54 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM
cartridges


> Hi again :)
>
> So after researching what's available in terms of 13" printers, it
> seems that a refurbished 1270 won't cost me much more than a used
> 1200, and the 1270 has OSX drivers, which is a plus.

Byron,

I would opt for a refurbed 1280 ($399 direct from Epson with warentee) over
the 1270. More people are using the 1280 and there will be more workflow and
seperation curve choices. Also leaves Piezo open as a possibiltiy.
>
> My only concern - I know that the 1270 uses the "chipped" cartridges
> designed to prevent 3rd parties from making inks for it - has anyone
> tried the MIS prefilled cartridges in this printer? I assume that they
> wouldn't offer the cartridges if they didn't work, but before I buy a
> system I want to make sure I'm getting something that will be reliable
> for printing hextones. (I'm determined to use my 2000p for color work,
> so the 1270 would be a dedicated BW printer)

I have some virgin 1280 cartridges and chips from MIS that I hope to get
around to using in my 2nd 1280 sometime soon. I have not heard of any
problems with their one time chips for their carts. Their reset software for
there CFS system is only Win 98 compatible I believe.

Martin Wesley

(snip)

Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM cartridges

2002-03-04 by byronbulb

Is there really a big enough difference between the 1280 and 1270 to
justify the $125 difference in price? My understanding was that they
used identical inksets and similar printheads, so I was
thinking/hoping that the workflows and curves would be the same for both.

I'm really hoping to spend no more than $300 for a system if at all
possible, as I'm a student and moderately broke at the moment :)
(Though my hope is that if I can offer gorgeous B+W prints to my
admittedly small client-base I'll be able to pay for this machine
rather quickly)

-Charley

> Byron,
> 
> I would opt for a refurbed 1280 ($399 direct from Epson with
warentee) over
> the 1270. More people are using the 1280 and there will be more
workflow and
> seperation curve choices. Also leaves Piezo open as a possibiltiy.

Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM cartridges

2002-03-04 by Steadman Uhlich

Do yourself a favor and buy the 1280.  

There is nothing smart about buying a printer that is obsolete...especially if the major players (Cone, Roark) and the user base is leaving it behind.  

Consider what Martin said about the curves.  

Just a little solicited advice. 

Steadman
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  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM cartridges


  Is there really a big enough difference between the 1280 and 1270 to
  justify the $125 difference in price? My understanding was that they
  used identical inksets and similar printheads, so I was
  thinking/hoping that the workflows and curves would be the same for both.

  I'm really hoping to spend no more than $300 for a system if at all
  possible, as I'm a student and moderately broke at the moment :)
  (Though my hope is that if I can offer gorgeous B+W prints to my
  admittedly small client-base I'll be able to pay for this machine
  rather quickly)

  -Charley

  > Byron,
  > 
  > I would opt for a refurbed 1280 ($399 direct from Epson with
  warentee) over
  > the 1270. More people are using the 1280 and there will be more
  workflow and
  > seperation curve choices. Also leaves Piezo open as a possibiltiy.



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Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM cartridges

2002-03-04 by Peter Lindman

I have both printers, have used MIS VM inks in both, and I think there
is enough advantage to using the 1280 to make it worth the extra money.
Being able to print at 2880 and the more refined curves available for
that printer are definite plusses. That and what Steadman and Martin wrote.
Peter Lindman

Steadman Uhlich wrote:
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> 
> Do yourself a favor and buy the 1280.
> 
> There is nothing smart about buying a printer that is
> obsolete...especially if the major players (Cone, Roark) and the user
> base is leaving it behind.
> 
> Consider what Martin said about the curves.
> 
> Just a little solicited advice.
> 
> Steadman
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: byronbulb
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 6:18 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS
> VM cartridges
> 
>   Is there really a big enough difference between the 1280 and 1270 to
>   justify the $125 difference in price? My understanding was that they
>   used identical inksets and similar printheads, so I was
>   thinking/hoping that the workflows and curves would be the same for
> both.
> 
>   I'm really hoping to spend no more than $300 for a system if at all
>   possible, as I'm a student and moderately broke at the moment :)
>   (Though my hope is that if I can offer gorgeous B+W prints to my
>   admittedly small client-base I'll be able to pay for this machine
>   rather quickly)
> 
>   -Charley
> 
>   > Byron,
>   >
>   > I would opt for a refurbed 1280 ($399 direct from Epson with
>   warentee) over
>   > the 1270. More people are using the 1280 and there will be more
>   workflow and
>   > seperation curve choices. Also leaves Piezo open as a possibiltiy.
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM cartridges

2002-03-04 by byronbulb

Thank you everyone! :)

I guess I'll need to do a little more saving and go with the 1280.

I had been hoping to find a less expensive solution, but if the point
is to make excellent and saleable prints, it's probably worth getting
the printer that everyone recommends. 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Peter Lindman
<plindman@q...> wrote:
> I have both printers, have used MIS VM inks in both, and I think there
> is enough advantage to using the 1280 to make it worth the extra money.
> Being able to print at 2880 and the more refined curves available for
> that printer are definite plusses. That and what Steadman and Martin
wrote.
> Peter Lindman
>

Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM cartridges

2002-03-05 by husband_99

So is anybody using a CFS system on a 1270/80 along with XP?  The 
resetting method described at MIS sounded dreadful.  Even if you 
have Win98 you still have to reset using a serial connection right?  
It sure would be nice if there was a chipped system that always 
showed full without resetting and could use MIS inks too.

Thanks,

Tom Husband

(snip)
> I have some virgin 1280 cartridges and chips from MIS that I hope 
to get
> around to using in my 2nd 1280 sometime soon. I have not heard of 
any
> problems with their one time chips for their carts. Their reset 
software for
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> there CFS system is only Win 98 compatible I believe.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> (snip)

Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM cartridges

2002-03-06 by husband_99

Thanks John.  I guess it's now Niagra?  It still is kind of 
cumbersome as you have to stop printing.  The nomorecarts 
instructions read:
1)  Push the paper feed button down for 4+ seconds (the print head 
will 
     move into cartridge changing position). 
2)  Remove the provided sensor clips.  You can replace them 
immediately. 
3)  Push the paper feed button down briefly and the printer will do a 
charging 
     cycle (since it thinks you just installed a new cartridge). 

You are ready to continue printing.  The whole process takes a couple 
minutes. 

What if you're in the middle of a job?  I guess you make sure it 
shows full before starting?  What about uninstalling the software 
that shows how much ink is left?  Would that keep it going?

Thanks again,

Tom Husband
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> > It sure would be nice if there was a chipped system that always 
> > showed full without resetting and could use MIS inks too.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Tom Husband
> 
> http://www.nomorecarts.com has the chipped carts
> 
> Best,
> 
> John V.

Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM cartridges

2002-03-06 by jrandall1149

The instructions you are quoting are for the nonchipped carts.  The 
1270 carts are chipped and thus show full all the time.  I have a CIS 
for both (1160 nonchipped and 1270 chipped) and that is the way it 
works for me.

Jeff Randall



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "husband_99" 
<thusband@s...> wrote:
> Thanks John.  I guess it's now Niagra?  It still is kind of 
> cumbersome as you have to stop printing.  The nomorecarts 
> instructions read:
> 1)  Push the paper feed button down for 4+ seconds (the print head 
> will 
>      move into cartridge changing position). 
> 2)  Remove the provided sensor clips.  You can replace them 
> immediately. 
> 3)  Push the paper feed button down briefly and the printer will do 
a 
> charging 
>      cycle (since it thinks you just installed a new cartridge). 
> 
> You are ready to continue printing.  The whole process takes a 
couple
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> minutes. 
> 
> What if you're in the middle of a job?  I guess you make sure it 
> shows full before starting?  What about uninstalling the software 
> that shows how much ink is left?  Would that keep it going?
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Tom Husband
>  
> > > It sure would be nice if there was a chipped system that always 
> > > showed full without resetting and could use MIS inks too.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Tom Husband
> > 
> > http://www.nomorecarts.com has the chipped carts
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > John V.

Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM cartridges

2002-03-06 by Jerry Olson

There is. It's been recommended on these lists dozens of times. Its the Niagara system from mediastreet.com  It used to be called the
nomorecarts system. Chip always reads full. No hassles at all. And of course you can use MIS inks with it. I do.

Jerry

johnvphoto wrote:
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> > It sure would be nice if there was a chipped system that always
> > showed full without resetting and could use MIS inks too.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tom Husband
>
> http://www.nomorecarts.com has the chipped carts
>
> Best,
>
> John V.
>
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Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM cartridges

2002-03-06 by Jerry Olson

This is not how the niagara system works. Once you install it you can forget it. Every time you turn off the printer for any reason, it
resets the chip so it reads full. The only time you could run out of ink is if you were printing hundreds or thousands of prints and just
kept printing till the ink runs out without ever shutting down the printer. All you ever have to do to reset it is turn off the printer and
then turn it on again. I've never had to reset it in 8 months. It's the very best system available.

Jerry

husband_99 wrote:
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> Thanks John.  I guess it's now Niagra?  It still is kind of
> cumbersome as you have to stop printing.  The nomorecarts
> instructions read:
> 1)  Push the paper feed button down for 4+ seconds (the print head
> will
>      move into cartridge changing position).
> 2)  Remove the provided sensor clips.  You can replace them
> immediately.
> 3)  Push the paper feed button down briefly and the printer will do a
> charging
>      cycle (since it thinks you just installed a new cartridge).
>
> You are ready to continue printing.  The whole process takes a couple
> minutes.
>
> What if you're in the middle of a job?  I guess you make sure it
> shows full before starting?  What about uninstalling the software
> that shows how much ink is left?  Would that keep it going?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Tom Husband
>
> > > It sure would be nice if there was a chipped system that always
> > > showed full without resetting and could use MIS inks too.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Tom Husband
> >
> > http://www.nomorecarts.com has the chipped carts
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > John V.
>
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Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM cartridges

2002-03-06 by husband_99

Great!  Thanks for clarifying that, Jeff.

Tom

The instructions you are quoting are for the nonchipped carts.  The 
> 1270 carts are chipped and thus show full all the time.  I have a 
CIS 
> for both (1160 nonchipped and 1270 chipped) and that is the way it 
> works for me.
> 
> Jeff Randall
> 
> 
> 
 The nomorecarts instructions read:
> > 1)  Push the paper feed button down for 4+ seconds (the print 
head
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> > will 
> >      move into cartridge changing position). 
> > 2)  Remove the provided sensor clips.  You can replace them 
> > immediately. 
> > 3)  Push the paper feed .....(snip)

Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM cartridges

2002-03-06 by husband_99

Thanks, Jerry, I think I'm sold on it now.

Tom

> This is not how the niagara system works. Once you install it you 
can forget it. Every time you turn off the printer for any reason, it
> resets the chip so it reads full. The only time you could run out 
of ink is if you were printing hundreds or thousands of prints and 
just
> kept printing till the ink runs out without ever shutting down the 
printer. All you ever have to do to reset it is turn off the printer 
and
> then turn it on again. I've never had to reset it in 8 months. It's 
the very best system available.
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> 
> Jerry
> 
> husband_99 wrote:
> 
> > Thanks John.  I guess it's now Niagra?  It still is kind of
> > cumbersome as you have to stop printing.  The nomorecarts
> > instructions read:
> > 1)  Push the paper feed .........

Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM cartridges

2002-03-06 by Martin Wesley

Tom,

I have had the NoMoreCarts (same as Niagara and Conetech) CIS on my 1280 for
6 months and all that is required is to answer the Epson driver's question
to whether you really want to use none Epson cartridges with a "Yes" each
time before you make your first print after turning the printer on. Not a
big deal at all and the cartridges always reads full. Running Windows 2000
BTW.

Martin Wesley


----- Original Message -----
From: "husband_99" <thusband@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM
cartridges


> Thanks John.  I guess it's now Niagra?  It still is kind of
> cumbersome as you have to stop printing.  The nomorecarts
> instructions read:
> 1)  Push the paper feed button down for 4+ seconds (the print head
> will
>      move into cartridge changing position).
> 2)  Remove the provided sensor clips.  You can replace them
> immediately.
> 3)  Push the paper feed button down briefly and the printer will do a
> charging
>      cycle (since it thinks you just installed a new cartridge).
>
> You are ready to continue printing.  The whole process takes a couple
> minutes.
>
> What if you're in the middle of a job?  I guess you make sure it
> shows full before starting?  What about uninstalling the software
> that shows how much ink is left?  Would that keep it going?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Tom Husband
>
> > > It sure would be nice if there was a chipped system that always
> > > showed full without resetting and could use MIS inks too.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Tom Husband
> >
> > http://www.nomorecarts.com has the chipped carts
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > John V.
>
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] (Newbie question) - Using a 1270 with MIS VM cartridges

2002-03-06 by husband_99

Thanks Martin,  I think I'm going for the Niagara.

Tom Husband

"Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Tom,
> 
> I have had the NoMoreCarts (same as Niagara and Conetech) CIS on my 
1280 for
> 6 months and all that is required is to answer the Epson driver's 
question
> to whether you really want to use none Epson cartridges with 
a "Yes" each
> time before you make your first print after turning the printer on. 
Not a
> big deal at all and the cartridges always reads full. Running 
Windows 2000
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> BTW.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
>

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