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2013-12-01 by Ben Schneider

J.C.,

I will not call Adobe an honorable company, nor would I trust them with my credit information.

I had a problem a few years ago when the neutral for my electrical service corroded at the utilities buss. The voltage on my service went up to 148 volts! Surge protectors do not work when there is that type of malfunction. It fried five hard drives, including the ones with my apps on them. Adobe was the only software company that would not reset my licenses so I could reload my programs. I had to buy upgrades for all my Adobe programs to use the reinstalled programs. It was so kind of them.

I do not trust any company to make automatic withdraws from my bank accounts, nor make automatic charges to my credit cards. I just got done activating a new credit card account because the old account had been hacked. The funny thing is that it was the account which was on file with Adobe because I had to pay them for those new program upgrades. I am wondering if the new card was necessary because of their accounts being hacked a few months ago?

No! I am not at all interested in the creative cloud. Internet service is not good enough here to need to depend on it. Just last week, the Internet service was so poor here, that Safari was timing out before even simple email loaded. It was like that for a week.

I also do not want any automatic updates done to my programs. I lost all my good Epson printer drivers due to Apple's automatic upgrades. I have not been able to replace Some of the drivers. The printer drivers that Apple use as replacements my be fine for the office, but are totally worthless when working with fine prints.

Lastly, the computers, and accessories that I am using are old. The economy of the last dozen years has been hard on me. I can not afford to upgrade anything! Must new programs need better computers, better operating systems, and newer accessories. This is going to keep my head out of Adobe's Cloud.

Ben

Sent from my iPad

Re: [Digital BW] Adobe's Cloud

2013-12-01 by John Castronovo

I was being kind when I said they might be trustworthy Ben. To set the 
record straight, their cc software doesn't do automatic updates. You have to 
download and install them, just as before. Once installed on your system, 
you need not connect to them again except once a month to verify that you're 
a paid subscriber, so internet connections that go do from time to time 
aren't a concern at all. I agree with everything else you said, yet I'm 
trying it out for the 9.99 a month.

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-----Original Message----- 
From: Ben Schneider
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 5:06 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Adobe's Cloud

J.C.,

I will not call Adobe an honorable company, nor would I trust them with my 
credit information.

I had a problem a few years ago when the neutral for my electrical service 
corroded at the utilities buss.  The voltage on my service went up to 148 
volts!  Surge protectors do not work when there is that type of malfunction. 
It fried five hard drives, including the ones with my apps on them.  Adobe 
was the only software company that would not reset my licenses so I could 
reload my programs.  I had to buy upgrades for all my Adobe programs to use 
the reinstalled programs.  It was so kind of them.

I do not trust any company to make automatic withdraws from my bank 
accounts, nor make automatic charges to my credit cards.  I just got done 
activating a new credit card account because the old account had been 
hacked.  The funny thing is that it was the account which was on file with 
Adobe because I had to pay them for those new program upgrades.  I am 
wondering if the new card was necessary because of their accounts being 
hacked a few months ago?

No!  I am not at all interested in the creative cloud.  Internet service is 
not good enough here to need to depend on it.  Just last week, the Internet 
service was so poor here, that Safari was timing out before even simple 
email loaded.  It was like that for a week.

I also do not want any automatic updates done to my programs.  I lost all my 
good Epson printer drivers due to Apple's automatic upgrades.  I have not 
been able to replace Some of the drivers.  The printer drivers that Apple 
use as replacements my be fine for the office, but are totally worthless 
when working with fine prints.

Lastly, the computers, and accessories that I am using are old.  The economy 
of the last dozen years has been hard on me.  I can not afford to upgrade 
anything!  Must new programs need better computers, better operating 
systems, and newer accessories.  This is going to keep my head out of 
Adobe's Cloud.

Ben

Sent from my iPad

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Re: [Digital BW] Adobe's Cloud

2013-12-02 by Bob Frost

You have got it bad! You really mean that you don't pay anything by direct 
debit? I've been paying most of my utility bills, bank transfers, credit 
card payments, etc, etc, by direct debit ever since they invented direct 
debits. I often get discount for doing so, since any other method of payment 
is far more labour intensive and costly. Never had a problem; and if I did 
the banks, and businesses will cover the cost - its in the direct debit 
agreements.

Bob frost



-----Original Message----- 
From: Ben Schneider

I do not trust any company to make automatic withdraws from my bank 
accounts, nor make automatic charges to my credit cards.

Re: Adobe's Cloud

2013-12-02 by Ben Schneider

Knowing someone who had their identity stollen, and the cost, and number of years it took to correct their credit record, I would rather buy stamps and pay by mail.

Most wire service agreements require one to accept the institutions policy for doing business.  I have yet to read a policy that doesn't say you can not hold them responsible for errors in your account and take them to court.  They all have stated in their users agreements that all disputes will be handled by THEIR arbitration board, and that finding is final.  Have fun with that if you ID is stollen.

With the government digging through Internet transactions, and sharing that info with other agencies, as well as other countries, I would rather not have anything traceable by wire.

Anything you put on the Internet, or on the wire can be received by someone else.  They can use whatever they find the way they want.  If that is OK by you, have fun.  It is not fine by me.

Sent from my iPad

Re: [Digital BW] Adobe's Cloud

2013-12-02 by Un Globe Trotteur

I agree with Ben. I do not like automatic withdraws. I do pay on line from my bank account but I do it when I want. I like to be in control and look at my bill (electricity, phone..) before I pay. I’d rather argue with them if it is incorrect before I pay than after the fact when I get my statement.
Pierre

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From: Bob Frost 
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 5:20 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Adobe's Cloud

You have got it bad! You really mean that you don't pay anything by direct 
debit? I've been paying most of my utility bills, bank transfers, credit 
card payments, etc, etc, by direct debit ever since they invented direct 
debits. I often get discount for doing so, since any other method of payment 
is far more labour intensive and costly. Never had a problem; and if I did 
the banks, and businesses will cover the cost - its in the direct debit 
agreements.

Bob frost

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ben Schneider

I do not trust any company to make automatic withdraws from my bank 
accounts, nor make automatic charges to my credit cards.

Re: [Digital BW] Adobe's Cloud

2013-12-02 by hrblaine@...

Different strokes!!  It's what makes life interesting!!
 
 
In a message dated 12/2/2013 3:06:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
unglobetrotteur@hotmail.com writes:




 
I agree with Ben. I do not like automatic withdraws. I do pay on line  from 
my bank account but I do it when I want. I like to be in control and look  
at my bill (electricity, phone..) before I pay. I’d rather argue with them 
if  it is incorrect before I pay than after the fact when I get my  statement.
Pierre

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From: _Bob Frost_ (mailto:bobfrost@...)  
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 5:20 AM
To: _DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com)   
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Adobe's Cloud

You have got it bad! You really mean that you don't pay anything by direct  
debit? I've been paying most of my utility bills, bank transfers, credit  
card payments, etc, etc, by direct debit ever since they invented direct  
debits. I often get discount for doing so, since any other method of  
payment 
is far more labour intensive and costly. Never had a problem; and  if I did 
the banks, and businesses will cover the cost - its in the direct  debit 
agreements.

Bob frost

-----Original Message-----  
From: Ben Schneider

I do not trust any company to make automatic  withdraws from my bank 
accounts, nor make automatic charges to my credit  cards.

Re: [Digital BW] Adobe's Cloud

2013-12-02 by Jim Goshorn

I also pay on my timetable. Years ago, I worked with someone who ended up in trouble because the company did the withdrawal a couple of days ahead and she hadn't deposited her pay check yet so she ended up overdrawn.

Jim

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2013-12-03 by Charles Peacock

Problem is, sending a check still doesn't protect you. 

 

Ignoring for the moment the risk of the check being lost in the mail, unless
you're paying an individual or a very small business, nearly 100% of payees
will submit the check electronically (just as though you had allowed them to
direct debit your account) and then "destroy" the check. Basically it has
cost you the price of a stamp and a check and left you more vulnerable than
had you done direct debit since there is precious little guarantee that the
minimum-wage grunts they hire to destroy the checks will actually do so.

 

If you want to avoid the risk you'll need to haul cash to the nearest post
office (or CVS, etc.) and buy money orders.

 

Or I suppose you could try paying in Bitcoins .

 

Chuck Peacock

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben
Schneider
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:25 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Adobe's Cloud

Knowing someone who had their identity stollen, and the cost, and number of
years it took to correct their credit record, I would rather buy stamps and
pay by mail.

Most wire service agreements require one to accept the institutions policy
for doing business. I have yet to read a policy that doesn't say you can not
hold them responsible for errors in your account and take them to court.
They all have stated in their users agreements that all disputes will be
handled by THEIR arbitration board, and that finding is final. Have fun with
that if you ID is stollen.

With the government digging through Internet transactions, and sharing that
info with other agencies, as well as other countries, I would rather not
have anything traceable by wire.

Anything you put on the Internet, or on the wire can be received by someone
else. They can use whatever they find the way they want. If that is OK by
you, have fun. It is not fine by me.

Sent from my iPad

Re: Adobe's Cloud

2013-12-03 by Ben Schneider

Shucks darn!

The new credit card which I activated just yesterday, having made just one transaction, was hacked.  Someone in a hotel in Brazil is having fun on my account.  

Sure I am going to trust online transactions!  That is two accounts hacked in two weeks!

So, what insurance is a credit card transaction for automatic payments when the card company shuts down the account because that account is hacked?  Depend on doing business that way.  I was told it would be two weeks before I will be getting a new card to use with my business.

Since I made just that one transaction with this iPad, there is something which alerted the hackers of this new credit card account that came from either this iPad, or the company which I made the purchase.

Fun in electronic payments!  Open accounts, and paying statements by check is the safest way to do business.  Other then paying with money orders.

Sent from my iPad

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Adobe's Cloud

2013-12-03 by jimbo

Well Ben,

Looks like some one is after you at a personal level.. 2 cards in two weeks sounds like an inside job ... So I have no clue who your card provider is nor how you use your card to process transactions.

Buy the way are you aware that if you store your CC info on your computer and it's hooked up to the internet and you don't have a functional fire wall an industrious hacker can get into your computer from anywhere in the world.. But if their using your 3 digit code... then you have an issue .. most likely the place that you bought your iPad from has been hacked or an employee took the card number and sold it..... happens all the time..

The CC outfit I deal with kills the card with fraudulent activity but we talk on the phone and I / we go over each transaction.. I approve them or not right on the spot.. I'm not liable for any fraudulent activity on my card.. I am immediately issued a new card which they over night to me.. and the world moves forward.. I was breached a year ago when someone got into Wal-Mart's records.. They bought several thousand in electronics down in Texas..( Long way from me) My card company has a computerized system to pick up on odd activity.. So I get occasional phone calls the day of a transaction prior to their paying them. So they don't pay.. It's an incontinence but it works...As far as your fear of Adobe.. your a big boy but to date I haven't heard anyone was actually compromised credit card wise.... you see many places that store this info also encrypt it so if you get it you can't make sense out of it. Adobe is one of those companies..

So the bottom line is to use Credit Cards or not.. I do.. In my life they work quite well and they sure make things easier... but it's up to us generally to pay attention to what is going on and who were dealing with. I have a small service business here also and accept credit cards.. I have a secure system and nothing is stored on an rig hooked to the internet.. I've been using it for 15 years and so far so good..

jimbo

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ben Schneider

To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:03 AM

Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Adobe's Cloud

Shucks darn!

The new credit card which I activated just yesterday, having made just one transaction, was hacked. Someone in a hotel in Brazil is having fun on my account.

Sure I am going to trust online transactions! That is two accounts hacked in two weeks!

So, what insurance is a credit card transaction for automatic payments when the card company shuts down the account because that account is hacked? Depend on doing business that way. I was told it would be two weeks before I will be getting a new card to use with my business.

Since I made just that one transaction with this iPad, there is something which alerted the hackers of this new credit card account that came from either this iPad, or the company which I made the purchase.

Fun in electronic payments! Open accounts, and paying statements by check is the safest way to do business. Other then paying with money orders.

Sent from my iPad

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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Adobe's Cloud

2013-12-03 by hrblaine@...

You don't need an IQ of 150 to figure out what to do!
 
 
In a message dated 12/3/2013 11:29:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
mrjimbo@... writes:

Sure I  am going to trust online transactions! That is two accounts hacked 
in two  weeks!

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Adobe's Cloud

2013-12-03 by Bob Frost

From what I have read, the advice is Don't use tablets or smartphones to 
make any payments on the web. They are far too insecure. Use your home or 
business computer, they have more protection.

Bob Frost

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-----Original Message----- 
From: Ben Schneider

Shucks darn!

The new credit card which I activated just yesterday, having made just one 
transaction, was hacked.  Someone in a hotel in Brazil is having fun on my 
account.
Sure I am going to trust online transactions!  That is two accounts hacked 
in two weeks!

So, what insurance is a credit card transaction for automatic payments when 
the card company shuts down the account because that account is hacked? 
Depend on doing business that way.  I was told it would be two weeks before 
I will be getting a new card to use with my business.

Since I made just that one transaction with this iPad, there is something 
which alerted the hackers of this new credit card account that came from 
either this iPad, or the company which I made the purchase.

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