Digital BW, The Print

I would appreciate any advice you all could offer. I've researched 
this a lot, and I'm only getting more confused the more I read.

I have an epson 1270. What are my options with Quadtone printing? 
The MIS inks look great, but I see they are only offered in cartridge 
form (for the 1270), yet they don't have cleaning cartridges for this 
printer. How then would I get the color ink out? Is anyone out there 
happily using a 1270 with MIS quads? 

From what I've read, most of you have older printers that are off the 
market. I'm not opposed to buying a new printer if necessary, as I 
will need both color and BW printers anyway. Would another printer 
be better for quads? I don't want a used one however (ie the 1160) 
because I'd want to be able to get a replacement quickly if needed.

Thanks in advance,

You are better off using a CIS from mediastreet (niagra) and then choose 
whatever bulk inks you like. The advantage of a 1280 is that it is supported by 
the Conetech Piezography BW plug-in which makes it easy to print with either 
Conetech inks (inkjetmall) or MIS FS.  Either way, there is no reason to search 
out old printers like the 1160 any more.


Antonis

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anonymous posts as much as possible>



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mlphotos" <mlfoto@h...> wrote:

> I have an epson 1270. What are my options with Quadtone printing? 
> The MIS inks look great, but I see they are only offered in cartridge 
> form (for the 1270), yet they don't have cleaning cartridges for this 
> printer. How then would I get the color ink out? Is anyone out there 
> happily using a 1270 with MIS quads?

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mlphotos" <mlfoto@h...> 
wrote:
> 
> > I have an epson 1270. What are my options with Quadtone printing? 
> > The MIS inks look great, but I see they are only offered in 
cartridge 
> > form (for the 1270),

MIS will be offering fully charged CFS units with good features in two 
or three months. I don't know how many inks will be offered, but VM 
and maybe FS, who knows? You will also be able to charge your own. The 
problem is resetting the chip, and this may be solved....stay tuned.

If you don't mind working with problematic software, MIS will sell you 
their CFS, you just need to run Windows 98 on an LPT port to printer 
to reset chip. Even at this the app has many bugs. As I said, stayed 
tuned re chip resetting...

Someone on this list reported that WeInk will sell the read only chip 
separately, but the website does not report as such, and a phone call 
to them denied they sold it as well. Still the poster must be assumed 
to have good info, as a price was quoted. I am going to call them 
again this morning to see if indeed they WILL sell the Read only chip 
separately. They have something called a "smart chip" which is just 
the common resettable chip. 


 yet they don't have cleaning cartridges for 
this 
> > printer. How then would I get the color ink out?

If your going from Epson ink to VM ink you won't need cleaning carts. 
Only a few inks that have different PH's need this. For example 
switching from Lyson pigs to MIS or Piezo pigs you would need this.

They DO make cleaning carts for the 1270 ready-made, you just haven't 
found them yet. JET Jrano does that task, just has a funny name:

http://www.mediastreet.com/cgi-bin/tame/mediastreet/inkcart_results.ta
m?rlk=1077590 


 It is possible to fill a virgin cart from MIS with cleaner solution. 
For example on the Weink site, they sell their own version of BULK 
cleaner, which you then have to inject into a cart. I think Ultrapurge 
II part # CL9999( Don't use Ultrapurge III although it says it's for 
pigment ink- call We-Ink 800-539-3465 and ask them about using ver I 
vs II vs III). I have never needed to fill a cart this way, but I know 
that this solution and others in bulk can be used.

 Is anyone out 
there 
> > happily using a 1270 with MIS quads?

No, I went with the 1280, knowing that it is a more current model.
Jim H.

Thanks for the reply,
I just ordered some VM cartridges from MIS and will be trying them 
out shortly.  I figured I'd need the cleaning cartridge to get the 
color epson ink out, but the lady at MIS said a few cleaning cycles 
will do just that.  

I also saw that MIS just released a new chip resetter for the 1270 
carts.  http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/qb7.html 
This should solve the reset problem for people running Win 2k or XP, 
and also enable refilling (I think)?

By (Fully charged CFS) do you mean one with a "read only" chip that 
always looks full and needs no resetting?  If its cheaper than the 
other ones offered (Niagra) that would be worth waiting for.

Happy shooting and printing!



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "jimhayes361" 
<jimhayes@j...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mlphotos" 
<mlfoto@h...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > I have an epson 1270. What are my options with Quadtone 
printing? 
> > > The MIS inks look great, but I see they are only offered in 
> cartridge 
> > > form (for the 1270),
> 
> MIS will be offering fully charged CFS units with good features in 
two 
> or three months. I don't know how many inks will be offered, but VM 
> and maybe FS, who knows? You will also be able to charge your own. 
The 
> problem is resetting the chip, and this may be solved....stay tuned.
> 
> If you don't mind working with problematic software, MIS will sell 
you 
> their CFS, you just need to run Windows 98 on an LPT port to 
printer 
> to reset chip. Even at this the app has many bugs. As I said, 
stayed 
> tuned re chip resetting...
> 
> Someone on this list reported that WeInk will sell the read only 
chip 
> separately, but the website does not report as such, and a phone 
call 
> to them denied they sold it as well. Still the poster must be 
assumed 
> to have good info, as a price was quoted. I am going to call them 
> again this morning to see if indeed they WILL sell the Read only 
chip 
> separately. They have something called a "smart chip" which is just 
> the common resettable chip. 
> 
> 
>  yet they don't have cleaning cartridges for 
> this 
> > > printer. How then would I get the color ink out?
> 
> If your going from Epson ink to VM ink you won't need cleaning 
carts. 
> Only a few inks that have different PH's need this. For example 
> switching from Lyson pigs to MIS or Piezo pigs you would need this.
> 
> They DO make cleaning carts for the 1270 ready-made, you just 
haven't 
> found them yet. JET Jrano does that task, just has a funny name:
> 
> http://www.mediastreet.com/cgi-
bin/tame/mediastreet/inkcart_results.ta
> m?rlk=1077590 
> 
> 
>  It is possible to fill a virgin cart from MIS with cleaner 
solution. 
> For example on the Weink site, they sell their own version of BULK 
> cleaner, which you then have to inject into a cart. I think 
Ultrapurge 
> II part # CL9999( Don't use Ultrapurge III although it says it's 
for 
> pigment ink- call We-Ink 800-539-3465 and ask them about using ver 
I 
> vs II vs III). I have never needed to fill a cart this way, but I 
know 

> that this solution and others in bulk can be used.
> 
>  Is anyone out 
> there 
> > > happily using a 1270 with MIS quads?
> 
> No, I went with the 1280, knowing that it is a more current model.
> Jim H.

Doesn't InkJetArt.com still sell the same CIS w/o charging for 
shipping? I think the CIS accesssories were also less at IJA when I 
got two of NoMoreCarts.com's CIS, one from IJA for quadtones and one 
from MediaStreet (w/Gen4 bundled).

Sam McCandless            samcc@...

>You are better off using a CIS from mediastreet (niagra) and then choose
>whatever bulk inks you like. The advantage of a 1280 is that it is 
>supported by
>the Conetech Piezography BW plug-in which makes it easy to print with either
>Conetech inks (inkjetmall) or MIS FS.  Either way, there is no 
>reason to search
>out old printers like the 1160 any more.
>
>
>Antonis

THIS IS A SHAMELESS SELF PROMOTION
I just wanted people to know that I also sell the system with no 
shipping charge at http://inkjetgoodies.com -- and there is still one 
in stock. 

Gregory Schern
Inkjet Goodies

PS I apologize for the self promotion, I'm not sure how else to tell 
people the info, so I will always designate it as such. I don't want 
it to look like any joe is saying it. Please tell me if this offends 
anyone on the list.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Sam A. McCandless" 
<samcc@v...> wrote:
> Doesn't InkJetArt.com still sell the same CIS w/o charging for 
> shipping? I think the CIS accesssories were also less at IJA when I 
> got two of NoMoreCarts.com's CIS, one from IJA for quadtones and 
one 
> from MediaStreet (w/Gen4 bundled).
> 
> Sam McCandless            samcc@v...
> 
> 
> >You are better off using a CIS from mediastreet (niagra) and then 
choose
> >whatever bulk inks you like. The advantage of a 1280 is that it is 
> >supported by
> >the Conetech Piezography BW plug-in which makes it easy to print 
with either

> >Conetech inks (inkjetmall) or MIS FS.  Either way, there is no 
> >reason to search
> >out old printers like the 1160 any more.
> >
> >
> >Antonis

Shameless is right! Your prices on paper seem VERY high!

Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "gschern" <gschern@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:22 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Advice needed. My options w/ a 1270?


> THIS IS A SHAMELESS SELF PROMOTION
> I just wanted people to know that I also sell the system with no
> shipping charge at http://inkjetgoodies.com -- and there is still one
> in stock.
>
> Gregory Schern
> Inkjet Goodies
>
> PS I apologize for the self promotion, I'm not sure how else to tell
> people the info, so I will always designate it as such. I don't want
> it to look like any joe is saying it. Please tell me if this offends
> anyone on the list.
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Sam A. McCandless"
> <samcc@v...> wrote:
> > Doesn't InkJetArt.com still sell the same CIS w/o charging for
> > shipping? I think the CIS accesssories were also less at IJA when I
> > got two of NoMoreCarts.com's CIS, one from IJA for quadtones and
> one
> > from MediaStreet (w/Gen4 bundled).
> >
> > Sam McCandless            samcc@v...
> >
> >
> > >You are better off using a CIS from mediastreet (niagra) and then
> choose
> > >whatever bulk inks you like. The advantage of a 1280 is that it is
> > >supported by
> > >the Conetech Piezography BW plug-in which makes it easy to print
> with either
> > >Conetech inks (inkjetmall) or MIS FS.  Either way, there is no
> > >reason to search
> > >out old printers like the 1160 any more.
> > >
> > >
> > >Antonis
>
>
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To all, 

where is the best price to be had for the Hahnemuhle papers?  Who is the
manufacturer of Photo Rag?

Thanks,  

Jerry

I don't know what site you were looking on - their 
(inkjetgoodies.com) prices seem to be in line with inkjetart, 
mediastreet, inkjetmall, etc... I ordered something from them last 
week and was very pleased.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit" 
<michael.kravit@w...> wrote:

> Shameless is right! Your prices on paper seem VERY high!
> 
> Mike

Really, 

50 Sheets 11x14" of Lyson Fine Art $239! Thats $5 a sheet!

Media Street for the same paper and quantity $118.00!

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "cascavelano" <cascavelano@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:20 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Advice needed. My options w/ a 1270?


> I don't know what site you were looking on - their 
> (inkjetgoodies.com) prices seem to be in line with inkjetart, 
> mediastreet, inkjetmall, etc... I ordered something from them last 
> week and was very pleased.

Jerry,

For the most part Media Street has very competitive prices on Hahnemuhle
Papers. They are listed under the "Royal" series name. You can usually
equate the names by the weight. Photo Rag 308 is made by Hahnemuhle as well.

Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Advice needed. My options w/ a 1270?


> To all,
>
> where is the best price to be had for the Hahnemuhle papers?  Who is the
> manufacturer of Photo Rag?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jerry
>
>
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Once again, where are you looking? -- the highest priced Lyson Fine 
Art paper is $229 not $239 and its 11x17?? If you're comparing it to 
Royal Plush 310, then point taken, but compare apples to 
apples...find any Lyson dealer selling that paper under the Lyson 
name for less... compare Lyson, Epson, Museo, and Legion (concorde 
rag, somerset PE) prices and you'll find they're right on.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit" 
<michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
> 
> Really, 
> 
> 50 Sheets 11x14" of Lyson Fine Art $239! Thats $5 a sheet!
> 
> Media Street for the same paper and quantity $118.00!
> 
> Mike
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cascavelano" <cascavelano@y...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:20 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Advice needed. My options w/ a 1270?
> 
> 
> > I don't know what site you were looking on - their 
> > (inkjetgoodies.com) prices seem to be in line with inkjetart, 
> > mediastreet, inkjetmall, etc... I ordered something from them 
last 
> > week and was very pleased.

Lyson Standard Fine Art, Lyson Soft Fine Art, Lyson Photo are all Hahnemuhle
papers, only they are marketed under the Lyson Name.

Yes, I meant 11x17. I am still not used to the silly inkjet paper sizes
after many years of photo paper sizes. In any event $5 a sheet for 11x17 is
outrageous!

Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "cascavelano" <cascavelano@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 8:27 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Advice needed. My options w/ a 1270?


> Once again, where are you looking? -- the highest priced Lyson Fine
> Art paper is $229 not $239 and its 11x17?? If you're comparing it to
> Royal Plush 310, then point taken, but compare apples to
> apples...find any Lyson dealer selling that paper under the Lyson
> name for less... compare Lyson, Epson, Museo, and Legion (concorde
> rag, somerset PE) prices and you'll find they're right on.
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit"
> <michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
> >
> > Really,
> >
> > 50 Sheets 11x14" of Lyson Fine Art $239! Thats $5 a sheet!
> >
> > Media Street for the same paper and quantity $118.00!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "cascavelano" <cascavelano@y...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:20 PM
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Advice needed. My options w/ a 1270?
> >
> >
> > > I don't know what site you were looking on - their
> > > (inkjetgoodies.com) prices seem to be in line with inkjetart,
> > > mediastreet, inkjetmall, etc... I ordered something from them
> last
> > > week and was very pleased.
>
>
>
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Jerry,

The Hawk Mountain Papers are very nice. Blacks are very close to Hahnemuhle.
A friend of mine recently did a Museum exhibition of 44"x44" black ink only
on Hawk Mountain Condor. It was lovely. They were 70mm Kodak HIE negs that
were printed with MIS Double Density Black. These puppies were BIG!

Mike


----- Original Message -----

From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Advice needed. My options w/ a 1270?


> Mike, I think we all know that the Hahnemuhle papers have the best
> blacks, (also Epson Archival matte has the deep blacks).
>
> What papers would come next?  Anything new that is much less money?
>
> Jerry

Mike, I think we all know that the Hahnemuhle papers have the best
blacks, (also Epson Archival matte has the deep blacks).

What papers would come next?  Anything new that is much less money?

Jerry



Michael Kravit wrote:

> 
> Lyson Standard Fine Art, Lyson Soft Fine Art, Lyson Photo are all Hahnemuhle
> papers, only they are marketed under the Lyson Name.
> 
> Yes, I meant 11x17. I am still not used to the silly inkjet paper sizes
> after many years of photo paper sizes. In any event $5 a sheet for 11x17 is
> outrageous!
> 
> Mike
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cascavelano" <cascavelano@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 8:27 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Advice needed. My options w/ a 1270?
> 
> > Once again, where are you looking? -- the highest priced Lyson Fine
> > Art paper is $229 not $239 and its 11x17?? If you're comparing it to
> > Royal Plush 310, then point taken, but compare apples to
> > apples...find any Lyson dealer selling that paper under the Lyson
> > name for less... compare Lyson, Epson, Museo, and Legion (concorde
> > rag, somerset PE) prices and you'll find they're right on.
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit"
> > <michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Really,
> > >
> > > 50 Sheets 11x14" of Lyson Fine Art $239! Thats $5 a sheet!
> > >
> > > Media Street for the same paper and quantity $118.00!
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "cascavelano" <cascavelano@y...>
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:20 PM
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Advice needed. My options w/ a 1270?
> > >
> > >
> > > > I don't know what site you were looking on - their
> > > > (inkjetgoodies.com) prices seem to be in line with inkjetart,
> > > > mediastreet, inkjetmall, etc... I ordered something from them
> > last
> > > > week and was very pleased.
> >
> >
> >
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Thanks Mike, 

I haven't heard of their "Condor" paper before.

Jerry

I'm using the Generations Enhanced Black, which is just a tad blacker
than the Double Density.

I've not tried to use just the black ink, but if the paper has texture,
my 1280 might just carry it off.  

Is this paper pure white, or cream colored?

> 
> The Hawk Mountain Papers are very nice. Blacks are very close to Hahnemuhle.
> A friend of mine recently did a Museum exhibition of 44"x44" black ink only
> on Hawk Mountain Condor. It was lovely. They were 70mm Kodak HIE negs that
> were printed with MIS Double Density Black. These puppies were BIG!
> 
> Mike
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 9:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Advice needed. My options w/ a 1270?
> 
> > Mike, I think we all know that the Hahnemuhle papers have the best
> > blacks, (also Epson Archival matte has the deep blacks).
> >
> > What papers would come next?  Anything new that is much less money?
> >
> > Jerry
> 
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