Digital BW, The Print

I've finally gotten around to playing with this more...

There seems to be something WAAAAY funky about the ICM profile Canon is 
using...

If I choose Manual color adjustment and select ICM matching, that, 
according to Canon should give me the closest color fidelity from and 
ICC/ICM app like Photoshop...  all well and good..

BUT, if things are implemented logically, I should be able to convert to 
that ICM  profile w/in PShop itself and then output to the printer with 
NO color adjustment as my selection in the printer driver...

Well, that that does not work..

If I do that, my image is waaay dark..

However, with ICM checked in the driver, there is no difference in the  
output image whether I apply the ICM (convert the profile) w/in PShop or 
not...

This could make profiling other media a real pain in the butt!

The question will be:

Do I:

a)    Create profiles for individual media leaving all the color 
adjustment at none?  (in which case I will probably custom profile all 
the Canon media as well)

b)    Create profiles with ICM checked on? (in which case I take the 
chance of losing colors in the double conversion that will then likely 
be taking place -- once in PShop & once in the driver)

I'm leaning towards the first option.  Thoughts?

If so, it looks like it's time to get a Spyder and Photo Suite Pro...

[Keith]
 
 

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In a message dated 4/21/02 11:04:23 PM, editor@... writes:

>There seems to be something WAAAAY funky about the ICM profile Canon is
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>using...
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Can you email me a zipped or stuffed copy of their canned profile, so I can 
check and see what is in it? I suspect foul play in the form of forced sRGB.

C. David Tobie
Design Cooperative
CDTobie@...

It's attached...

The other weird thing is it's dated 2000!

Plus PShop picks it up as a Generic BJ Printer Profile..

The actual installer for the printer driver is at:

http://209.85.7.18/techsupport.php?p=s9000&q=download&type=windows

Shoulkd you want to look further... ;-)

Keith


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In a message dated 4/22/02 5:12:37 PM, editor@... writes:

>It's attached...

No its not... you need to send it just to me, not to the group, both out of 
respect to group members with slow connections, and because most list servers 
strip off attachments.

C. David Tobie
Design Cooperative
CDTobie@...

Editor P.O.V. Image Service wrote:

> It's attached...
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> The other weird thing is it's dated 2000!
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>

<snip>

Sorry, that was supposed to go offlist only...

I should know better than chatting with the gf while drafting e-mail...


Keith




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In a message dated 4/22/02 9:22:15 PM, editor@... writes:

>I should know better than chatting with the gf while drafting e-mail...
 
Just disqualified yourself as a tue geek... you have a girlfriend! That 
implies social skills, and time spent on other things. <G>

C. David Tobie
Design Cooperative
CDTobie@...

In a message dated 4/21/02 11:04:23 PM, editor@... writes:

>There seems to be something WAAAAY funky about the ICM profile Canon is

>using...

That qualifies as an understatement. The profile you sent me way unopenable 
in any current profile analysis software, but I did manage to get at least 
some info on its contents from a much older program. It was listed as a 
monitor profile instead of a printer profile, and as a CMYK profile (an 
interesting combinations, since I have never seen a CMYK monitor) , but best 
of all it has 710 tags in it... most profiles have less than a dozen. 
Attempting to deal with the tags was a guaranteed crash and burn scenario...

So this profile has no relationship to a legal ICC profile and is not 
intended for open ICC uses such as editing or applying within Photoshop 
(Photoshop wouldn't even list it as an available profile). So tread carefully.

C. David Tobie
Design Cooperative
CDTobie@...

CDTobie@... wrote:

>   but best
> of all it has 710 tags in it... most profiles have less than a dozen.
> Attempting to deal with the tags was a guaranteed crash and burn 
> scenario...
>
Normally, does each tag in an ICC profile serve as it would in any other 
database or data file?  i.e. to marke and delimit a specific field of data?

If so, what are those fields normally like in an ICC profile? -- do they 
delimit bounaries in the gamut?

What I'm getting at is why the hell there might be 710 tags, versus an 
average of a dozen?

BTW: If you see a CMYK monitor do us all a favor and wake up out of your 
dream.. LOL

[Keith]
 
 

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It appears that the viscosity of the inks for Canon printers are entirely
different than for Epson printers.  So, the inksets have to be entirely new.
Too bad.  That probably means substantial delays before there will be an
FS-N equivalent.  A simple diluted-black quad like the FS will probably be
the first effort.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com



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