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2002-08-01 by sdmey4@aol.com
In a message dated 08/01/2002 2:50:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, boy@... writes: > I am about to convert my 1270 to a dedicated BxW printer and have > decided to go with the > MIS STANDARD FS INKSET. What is the best choice for glossy papers? Pigment inks usually don't do well on glossy papers, rubs right off. Are you planning on spraying an overcoat on them/ Steve M. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-08-02 by Bill Boy
Thanks for the info, Overcoating would be an option I will offer but will try and see how they hold up. everything will be an experiment. What paper would you recommend, I would like to get some sample packs and play, I will do a lot of playing before selling, more fun too? Bill On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 04:23 PM, sdmey4@... wrote: > Pigment inks usually don't do well on glossy papers, rubs right off. > Are you > planning on spraying an overcoat on them/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-08-02 by tomoc
Bill- Steve was understating your problem...pigment inks are horrible on glossy paper...spraying helps, but not an easy solution. If you really want glossy, you should be using a dye ink like Lyson Small Gamut. I think everyone would agree that FS inks are fantastic for matte art papers. You might want to search the archives here for some threads on spraying...there are a few real experts on overcoating here. Cheers, Tom O'Connell TomOC@... www.thomasoconnell.com -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Bill Boy <boy@c...> wrote: > Thanks for the info, Overcoating would be an option I will offer but > will try and see how they hold up. everything will be an experiment. > > What paper would you recommend, I would like to get some sample packs
> and play, I will do a lot of playing before selling, more fun too? > >]
2002-08-02 by julianthomas221259
Well I wouldn't go that far. My last 4 sales I've given customers the choice of photorag or sprayed semimatte and once they've seen them they've taken semi matte. The only problem spraying is to do it without picking up crap out of the air. I'm a trifle nervous over archival issues though. Julian --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "tomoc" <TomOC@s...> wrote: > Bill- > > Steve was understating your problem...pigment inks are horrible on > glossy paper...spraying helps, but not an easy solution. > > If you really want glossy, you should be using a dye ink like Lyson > Small Gamut. > > I think everyone would agree that FS inks are fantastic for matte art > papers. > > You might want to search the archives here for some threads on > spraying...there are a few real experts on overcoating here. > > Cheers, > > Tom O'Connell > > TomOC@s... > www.thomasoconnell.com > > > > -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Bill Boy <boy@c...> wrote: > > Thanks for the info, Overcoating would be an option I will offer > but > > will try and see how they hold up. everything will be an experiment.
> > > > What paper would you recommend, I would like to get some sample > packs > > and play, I will do a lot of playing before selling, more fun too? > > > >]
2002-08-02 by CDTobie@aol.com
In a message dated 8/1/02 5:50:19 PM, boy@... writes: > I am about to convert my 1270 to a dedicated BxW printer and have >decided to go with the >MIS STANDARD FS INKSET. What is the best choice for glossy papers? You are talking unencapsulated pigment inks, and gloss media, which is not a terribly compatible combination... C. David Tobie Design Cooperative CDTobie@...
2002-08-03 by Martin Wesley
Julian, Back in the earlier and mid 70's I sprayed a bunch of my silver prints that were mounted on black board with Kyrlon spray primarily to try and keep the black of the mattes black. The prints have spent most of their life in boxes but some 30 years later things seem to be fine. My mother used a lot of Krylon on pencil and charcoal sketches and they are also doing well. Not hard data but maybe it will give you some reassurance. Martin Wesley http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "julianthomas221259" <julianthomas@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Paper > > Well I wouldn't go that far. My last 4 sales I've given customers the > choice of photorag or sprayed semimatte and once they've seen them > they've taken semi matte. The only problem spraying is to do it > without picking up crap out of the air. I'm a trifle nervous over > archival issues though. > > Julian > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "tomoc" <TomOC@s...> wrote: > > Bill- > > > > Steve was understating your problem...pigment inks are horrible on > > glossy paper...spraying helps, but not an easy solution. > > > > If you really want glossy, you should be using a dye ink like Lyson > > Small Gamut. > > > > I think everyone would agree that FS inks are fantastic for matte > art > > papers. > > > > You might want to search the archives here for some threads on > > spraying...there are a few real experts on overcoating here. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tom O'Connell > > > > TomOC@s... > > www.thomasoconnell.com > > > > > > > > -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Bill Boy <boy@c...> wrote: > > > Thanks for the info, Overcoating would be an option I will offer > > but > > > will try and see how they hold up. everything will be an > experiment. > > > > > > What paper would you recommend, I would like to get some sample > > packs > > > and play, I will do a lot of playing before selling, more fun too? > > > > > >] > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage.
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2002-08-03 by Julian Thomas
Thanks Martin. The Ilford semi matte seems a nice paper for low dmax images. I still prefer PR for long greys though. Julian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Paper > Julian, > > Back in the earlier and mid 70's I sprayed a bunch of my silver prints that > were mounted on black board with Kyrlon spray primarily to try and keep the > black of the mattes black. The prints have spent most of their life in boxes > but some 30 years later things seem to be fine. My mother used a lot of > Krylon on pencil and charcoal sketches and they are also doing well. Not > hard data but maybe it will give you some reassurance. > > Martin Wesley > > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "julianthomas221259" <julianthomas@...> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:47 AM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Paper > > > > > > Well I wouldn't go that far. My last 4 sales I've given customers the > > choice of photorag or sprayed semimatte and once they've seen them > > they've taken semi matte. The only problem spraying is to do it > > without picking up crap out of the air. I'm a trifle nervous over > > archival issues though. > > > > Julian > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "tomoc" <TomOC@s...> wrote: > > > Bill- > > > > > > Steve was understating your problem...pigment inks are horrible on > > > glossy paper...spraying helps, but not an easy solution. > > > > > > If you really want glossy, you should be using a dye ink like Lyson > > > Small Gamut. > > > > > > I think everyone would agree that FS inks are fantastic for matte > > art > > > papers. > > > > > > You might want to search the archives here for some threads on > > > spraying...there are a few real experts on overcoating here. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Tom O'Connell > > > > > > TomOC@s... > > > www.thomasoconnell.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Bill Boy <boy@c...> wrote: > > > > Thanks for the info, Overcoating would be an option I will offer > > > but > > > > will try and see how they hold up. everything will be an > > experiment. > > > > > > > > What paper would you recommend, I would like to get some sample > > > packs > > > > and play, I will do a lot of playing before selling, more fun too? > > > > > > > >] > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage.
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2002-08-03 by Robert Morrison
Yeah, I don't think the Krylon will be the problem here...the question is if there is a nasty interaction between pigments and the paper coatings on the semi-matte/luster papers. My guess is that you will be ok...because the Semi-Matte paper was formulated to work with Epson Archival Pigments (10000). Might be useful to ask Paul Roark to put a test wedge in his fader just to have some idea where we stand. I could certainly supply the paper...but the test would be with Selenium Piezotone ink...I don't run any MIS inks anymore. Robert
On 8/3/02 3:38 AM, "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...> wrote: > Thanks Martin. The Ilford semi matte seems a nice paper for low dmax images. > I still prefer PR for long greys though. > > Julian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 6:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Paper > > >> Julian, >> >> Back in the earlier and mid 70's I sprayed a bunch of my silver prints > that >> were mounted on black board with Kyrlon spray primarily to try and keep > the >> black of the mattes black. The prints have spent most of their life in > boxes >> but some 30 years later things seem to be fine. My mother used a lot of >> Krylon on pencil and charcoal sketches and they are also doing well. Not >> hard data but maybe it will give you some reassurance. >> >> Martin Wesley >> >> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "julianthomas221259" <julianthomas@...> >> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:47 AM >> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Paper >> >> >>> >>> Well I wouldn't go that far. My last 4 sales I've given customers the >>> choice of photorag or sprayed semimatte and once they've seen them >>> they've taken semi matte. The only problem spraying is to do it >>> without picking up crap out of the air. I'm a trifle nervous over >>> archival issues though. >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> >>> >>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "tomoc" <TomOC@s...> wrote: >>>> Bill- >>>> >>>> Steve was understating your problem...pigment inks are horrible on >>>> glossy paper...spraying helps, but not an easy solution. >>>> >>>> If you really want glossy, you should be using a dye ink like Lyson >>>> Small Gamut. >>>> >>>> I think everyone would agree that FS inks are fantastic for matte >>> art >>>> papers. >>>> >>>> You might want to search the archives here for some threads on >>>> spraying...there are a few real experts on overcoating here. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Tom O'Connell >>>> >>>> TomOC@s... >>>> www.thomasoconnell.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Bill Boy <boy@c...> wrote: >>>>> Thanks for the info, Overcoating would be an option I will offer >>>> but >>>>> will try and see how they hold up. everything will be an >>> experiment. >>>>> >>>>> What paper would you recommend, I would like to get some sample >>>> packs >>>>> and play, I will do a lot of playing before selling, more fun too? >>>>> >>>>> ] >>> >>> >>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and >> other resources as they are often being updated. 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