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2002-08-10 by Jerry Olson
Martin, When I was selenium toning darkroom prints, Mine never had a purple cast. I know that if you leave the papers in the toner long enough, it could go purple, but I only toned for the deeper black, and pulled the prints before they started to turn. Are most photographer's actually WANTING the purple look? Jerry
2002-08-12 by donbga
Jerry, > > When I was selenium toning darkroom prints, Mine never had a purple > cast. I know that if you leave the papers in the toner long enough, it > could go purple, but I only toned for the deeper black, and pulled the > prints before they started to turn. > > Are most photographer's actually WANTING the purple look? In a word yes! One of the tyrannys of quad tone inks is the lack of flexible color options. Don Bryant
2002-08-12 by Jerry Olson
With Small gamut inks you can get any tone you want. Jerry donbga wrote:
> > Jerry, > > > > When I was selenium toning darkroom prints, Mine never had a purple > > cast. I know that if you leave the papers in the toner long > enough, it > > could go purple, but I only toned for the deeper black, and pulled > the > > prints before they started to turn. > > > > Are most photographer's actually WANTING the purple look? > > In a word yes! One of the tyrannys of quad tone inks is the lack of > flexible color options. > > Don Bryant > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2002-08-12 by Robert Morrison
On 8/12/02 8:34 AM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote: > With Small gamut inks you can get any tone you want. > > Jerry Don, Without the lightfastness...and with metamerism. Check the posts on this inkset for other opinions before you consider it...but it is one serious option if you want Glossy/E-surface prints. Robert
> > > > > donbga wrote: >> >> Jerry, >>> >>> When I was selenium toning darkroom prints, Mine never had a purple >>> cast. I know that if you leave the papers in the toner long >> enough, it >>> could go purple, but I only toned for the deeper black, and pulled >> the >>> prints before they started to turn. >>> >>> Are most photographer's actually WANTING the purple look? >> >> In a word yes! One of the tyrannys of quad tone inks is the lack of >> flexible color options. >> >> Don Bryant >> >> >> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and >> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >> >> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to >> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same >> page. >> >> Please follow these basic guidelines: >> - Include your full name with your message. >> - Include the address of your website, if you have one. >> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep >> them short. >> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. >> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or >> &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; >> - Complete your Yahoo profile. >> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various >> resources on the homepage. >> >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
2002-08-12 by Jerry Olson
Robert, they appear to have greatly improved the metamerism with the SG inkset. If you print to a nice neutral in daylight, the prints look just a tad sepia in tungsten, but not much. It's a great improvement from the magenta metamerism they used to have. Jerry But they ARE a dye inkset, so probably won't be as archival as one would like. Robert Morrison wrote:
> > On 8/12/02 8:34 AM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote: > > > With Small gamut inks you can get any tone you want. > > > > Jerry > > Don, > > Without the lightfastness...and with metamerism. Check the posts on this > inkset for other opinions before you consider it...but it is one serious > option if you want Glossy/E-surface prints. > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > donbga wrote: > >> > >> Jerry, > >>> > >>> When I was selenium toning darkroom prints, Mine never had a purple > >>> cast. I know that if you leave the papers in the toner long > >> enough, it > >>> could go purple, but I only toned for the deeper black, and pulled > >> the > >>> prints before they started to turn. > >>> > >>> Are most photographer's actually WANTING the purple look? > >> > >> In a word yes! One of the tyrannys of quad tone inks is the lack of > >> flexible color options. > >> > >> Don Bryant > >> > >> > >> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > >> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > >> > >> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > >> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > >> page. > >> > >> Please follow these basic guidelines: > >> - Include your full name with your message. > >> - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > >> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > >> them short. > >> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > >> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > >> &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > >> - Complete your Yahoo profile. > >> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > >> resources on the homepage. > >> > >> > >> > >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > > them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > > resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2002-08-13 by tomoc
Jerry- You will also find PROFOUND differences from paper to paper. Tom O'Connell TomOC@... www.thomasoconnell.com --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson <jerryolson@r...> wrote: > Robert, they appear to have greatly improved the metamerism with the SG > inkset. If you print to a nice neutral in daylight, the prints look just > a tad sepia in tungsten, but not much. It's a great improvement from the > magenta metamerism they used to have. > > Jerry > > But they ARE a dye inkset, so probably won't be as archival as one would like. > > > > Robert Morrison wrote: > > > > On 8/12/02 8:34 AM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@r...> wrote: > > > > > With Small gamut inks you can get any tone you want. > > > > > > Jerry > > > > Don, > > > > Without the lightfastness...and with metamerism. Check the posts on this > > inkset for other opinions before you consider it...but it is one serious > > option if you want Glossy/E-surface prints. > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > donbga wrote: > > >> > > >> Jerry, > > >>> > > >>> When I was selenium toning darkroom prints, Mine never had a purple > > >>> cast. I know that if you leave the papers in the toner long > > >> enough, it > > >>> could go purple, but I only toned for the deeper black, and pulled > > >> the > > >>> prints before they started to turn. > > >>> > > >>> Are most photographer's actually WANTING the purple look? > > >> > > >> In a word yes! One of the tyrannys of quad tone inks is the lack of > > >> flexible color options. > > >> > > >> Don Bryant > > >> > > >> > > >> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > > >> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > >> > > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > >> > > >> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > > >> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > > >> page. > > >> > > >> Please follow these basic guidelines: > > >> - Include your full name with your message. > > >> - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > >> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > > >> them short. > > >> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > >> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > >> &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > > >> - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > >> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > > >> resources on the homepage. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > > > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > > > page. > > > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > - Include your full name with your message. > > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > > > them short. > > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > > > resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2002-08-13 by Jerry Olson
O Crap! I'm not using the same paper I was using the first time I tried the inks, so it may just be the paper. In any case I have the new set of VM MIS inks and the CIS will be here tomorrow, so that's that! Jerry tomoc wrote:
> > Jerry- > > You will also find PROFOUND differences from paper to paper. > > Tom O'Connell