Digital BW, The Print

> It is simply amazing that one can get 100 answers to which printer is
> best (which has nothing to do with problems printing) but I can't get
> an answer to either of 2 posts having to do with printing problems
> that I am sure someone can answer. This group just seems to love to
> argue about everything and anything.

First, I checked out your website, and enjoyed viewing some of your
images.

Second, complaining about not getting the service you required from a
list where all contributions are free serves no purpose except to make
you look like a complainer.

Try rephrasing your query, especially in the 'Subject' line, asking the
same question on other lists or NG's (but not by cross-posting) if you
strike out on one, and searching the FAQ's and other on-line resources
available through Google and the other engines, and the hardware-software
mfgr's websites.

It would be wonderful if I could get a definitive answer to all of my
questions the first, second, or even third time out, but sometimes,
especially in new fields of endeavour, more persistence is required.

-wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
A business is as honest as its advertisements.
.

I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer after 2 
posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the better of 
anything
V



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Robert C Wittig" 
<rwittig@c...> wrote:
> > It is simply amazing that one can get 100 answers to which 
printer is
> > best (which has nothing to do with problems printing) but I can't 
get
> > an answer to either of 2 posts having to do with printing problems
> > that I am sure someone can answer. This group just seems to love 
to
> > argue about everything and anything.
> 
> First, I checked out your website, and enjoyed viewing some of your
> images.
> 
> Second, complaining about not getting the service you required from 
a
> list where all contributions are free serves no purpose except to 
make
> you look like a complainer.
> 
> Try rephrasing your query, especially in the 'Subject' line, asking 
the
> same question on other lists or NG's (but not by cross-posting) if 
you
> strike out on one, and searching the FAQ's and other on-line 
resources
> available through Google and the other engines, and the hardware-
software
> mfgr's websites.
> 
> It would be wonderful if I could get a definitive answer to all of 
my

> questions the first, second, or even third time out, but sometimes,
> especially in new fields of endeavour, more persistence is required.
> 
> -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
> A business is as honest as its advertisements.
> .

your question was?


J








vinyo88 wrote:

> 
> I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer after 2
> posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the better of
> anything
> V
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Robert C Wittig"
> <rwittig@c...> wrote:
> > > It is simply amazing that one can get 100 answers to which
> printer is
> > > best (which has nothing to do with problems printing) but I can't
> get
> > > an answer to either of 2 posts having to do with printing problems
> > > that I am sure someone can answer. This group just seems to love
> to
> > > argue about everything and anything.
> >
> > First, I checked out your website, and enjoyed viewing some of your
> > images.
> >
> > Second, complaining about not getting the service you required from
> a
> > list where all contributions are free serves no purpose except to
> make
> > you look like a complainer.
> >
> > Try rephrasing your query, especially in the 'Subject' line, asking
> the
> > same question on other lists or NG's (but not by cross-posting) if
> you
> > strike out on one, and searching the FAQ's and other on-line
> resources
> > available through Google and the other engines, and the hardware-
> software
> > mfgr's websites.
> >
> > It would be wonderful if I could get a definitive answer to all of
> my
> > questions the first, second, or even third time out, but sometimes,
> > especially in new fields of endeavour, more persistence is required.
> >
> > -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
> > A business is as honest as its advertisements.
> > .
> 
> 
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I don't recall your original question (and may not have been 
able to answer it if I did), but continuing to carp about the 
nature of the list will not serve your purpose. I'm not keen 
on endless debates over issues that don't happen to interest 
me, either, but they obviously interest the participants, and 
it is a public forum. In other words, it is what it is. If it 
is not to your liking, you may find a list or forum more agreeable 
to your tastes elsewhere, but you are unlikely to change the 
nature of the list.

- David

= = = Original message = = =

I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer after 
2 
posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the better 
of 
anything
V



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Robert C Wittig" 
<rwittig@c...> wrote:
> > It is simply amazing that one can get 100 answers to which 

printer is
> > best (which has nothing to do with problems printing) but 
I can't 
get
> > an answer to either of 2 posts having to do with printing 
problems
> > that I am sure someone can answer. This group just seems 
to love 
to
> > argue about everything and anything.
> 
> First, I checked out your website, and enjoyed viewing some 
of your
> images.
> 
> Second, complaining about not getting the service you required 
from 
a
> list where all contributions are free serves no purpose except 
to 
make
> you look like a complainer.
> 
> Try rephrasing your query, especially in the 'Subject' line, 
asking 
the
> same question on other lists or NG's (but not by cross-posting) 
if 
you
> strike out on one, and searching the FAQ's and other on-line 

resources
> available through Google and the other engines, and the hardware-
software
> mfgr's websites.
> 
> It would be wonderful if I could get a definitive answer to 
all of 
my
> questions the first, second, or even third time out, but sometimes,
> especially in new fields of endeavour, more persistence is 
required.
> 
> -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
> A business is as honest as its advertisements.
> .



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Jerry, the post is #18021, if you have any suggestions I would be 
forever in your debt.

Vinny
http://www.wulfsden.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> your question was?
> 
> 
> J
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> vinyo88 wrote:
> > 
> > I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer after 
2
> > posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the better 
of
> > anything
> > V
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Robert C Wittig"
> > <rwittig@c...> wrote:
> > > > It is simply amazing that one can get 100 answers to which
> > printer is
> > > > best (which has nothing to do with problems printing) but I 
can't
> > get
> > > > an answer to either of 2 posts having to do with printing 
problems
> > > > that I am sure someone can answer. This group just seems to 
love
> > to
> > > > argue about everything and anything.
> > >
> > > First, I checked out your website, and enjoyed viewing some of 
your
> > > images.
> > >
> > > Second, complaining about not getting the service you required 
from
> > a
> > > list where all contributions are free serves no purpose except 
to
> > make
> > > you look like a complainer.
> > >
> > > Try rephrasing your query, especially in the 'Subject' line, 
asking
> > the
> > > same question on other lists or NG's (but not by cross-posting) 
if
> > you
> > > strike out on one, and searching the FAQ's and other on-line
> > resources
> > > available through Google and the other engines, and the 
hardware-
> > software
> > > mfgr's websites.
> > >
> > > It would be wonderful if I could get a definitive answer to all 
of
> > my
> > > questions the first, second, or even third time out, but 
sometimes,
> > > especially in new fields of endeavour, more persistence is 
required.
> > >
> > > -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
> > > A business is as honest as its advertisements.
> > > .
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page 
is at:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
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on 8/13/02 11:05 AM, vinyo88 wrote:

> I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer after 2
> posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the better of
> anything
> V

Saw your question both times, didn't know the answer either time. Get used
to list life. It also happens that you go to great trouble to answer
someone's question and they never let you know if they read it or it was
helpful.

Just can't expect too much from humans.

Todd

V,

First, what was your question? Sometimes you need to ask more than once.
This place gets more than a bit noisy from time to time.

Second, there are seldom definitive answers and the best you are likely to
get are opinions. Unfortunately opinions often differ and result in debate
or argument.

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "vinyo88" <orlandovl@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] No answer


> I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer after 2
> posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the better of
> anything
> V
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Robert C Wittig"
> <rwittig@c...> wrote:
> > > It is simply amazing that one can get 100 answers to which
> printer is
> > > best (which has nothing to do with problems printing) but I can't
> get
> > > an answer to either of 2 posts having to do with printing problems
> > > that I am sure someone can answer. This group just seems to love
> to
> > > argue about everything and anything.
> >
> > First, I checked out your website, and enjoyed viewing some of your
> > images.
> >
> > Second, complaining about not getting the service you required from
> a
> > list where all contributions are free serves no purpose except to
> make
> > you look like a complainer.
> >
> > Try rephrasing your query, especially in the 'Subject' line, asking
> the
> > same question on other lists or NG's (but not by cross-posting) if
> you
> > strike out on one, and searching the FAQ's and other on-line
> resources
> > available through Google and the other engines, and the hardware-
> software
> > mfgr's websites.
> >
> > It would be wonderful if I could get a definitive answer to all of
> my
> > questions the first, second, or even third time out, but sometimes,
> > especially in new fields of endeavour, more persistence is required.
> >
> > -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
> > A business is as honest as its advertisements.
> > .
>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
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&amp;amp;quot;flames.&amp;amp;quot;
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
resources on the homepage.

>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

i gotta chime in for this one --

did you search the archives for your quesiton -- maybe it has already been
asked and answered before

-- ricardo

> I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer after 2
> posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the better of
> anything

I think you missed my point entirely.

You might get people to do your research for you one time, by
complaining, but it is not a very good long-term strategy, if you are
serious about learning.

As far as I know, no-one on this list owes me anything, so I have no
right to go making demands on their time, and complaining if they do not
respond. Also, I am taking the time to answer a fair number of posts, for
one with my limited level of experience, in order that I might put
something into the list, before I start assuming that anyone 'owes' me
anything in return.

You might want to try searching the list database for 'VM curves and
contrast'. It brought up a lot of hits.

-wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
A business is as honest as its advertisements.
.

Todd, you are soooo right. I tried to help someone last week and 
never got a response.

Vinny
http://www.wulfsden.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Todd Flashner <tflash@e...> 
wrote:
> on 8/13/02 11:05 AM, vinyo88 wrote:
> 
> > I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer after 
2
> > posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the better 
of
> > anything
> > V
> 
> Saw your question both times, didn't know the answer either time. 
Get used
> to list life. It also happens that you go to great trouble to answer
> someone's question and they never let you know if they read it or 
it was

> helpful.
> 
> Just can't expect too much from humans.
> 
> Todd

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...> wrote:
> Jerry, the post is #18021, if you have any suggestions I would be 
> forever in your debt.
I'm not going to answer this because it's out of my experience. But you need to provide a lot more info.
What printer, platform, color settings, driver settings, etc.? There are a myriad of things that could be wrong.
There are a lot of people here using that workflow who could comment.
Tyler

Martin, I posted the question twice and got the same response, 
nothing. It is post 18021. If you have any suggestions I would 
greatly appreciate it.
Thanks
vinny
http://www.wulfsden.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> V,
> 
> First, what was your question? Sometimes you need to ask more than 
once.
> This place gets more than a bit noisy from time to time.
> 
> Second, there are seldom definitive answers and the best you are 
likely to
> get are opinions. Unfortunately opinions often differ and result in 
debate
> or argument.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] No answer
> 
> 
> > I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer after 
2
> > posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the better 
of
> > anything
> > V
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Robert C Wittig"
> > <rwittig@c...> wrote:
> > > > It is simply amazing that one can get 100 answers to which
> > printer is
> > > > best (which has nothing to do with problems printing) but I 
can't
> > get
> > > > an answer to either of 2 posts having to do with printing 
problems
> > > > that I am sure someone can answer. This group just seems to 
love
> > to
> > > > argue about everything and anything.
> > >
> > > First, I checked out your website, and enjoyed viewing some of 
your
> > > images.
> > >
> > > Second, complaining about not getting the service you required 
from
> > a
> > > list where all contributions are free serves no purpose except 
to
> > make
> > > you look like a complainer.
> > >
> > > Try rephrasing your query, especially in the 'Subject' line, 
asking
> > the
> > > same question on other lists or NG's (but not by cross-posting) 
if
> > you
> > > strike out on one, and searching the FAQ's and other on-line
> > resources
> > > available through Google and the other engines, and the 
hardware-
> > software
> > > mfgr's websites.
> > >
> > > It would be wonderful if I could get a definitive answer to all 
of
> > my
> > > questions the first, second, or even third time out, but 
sometimes,
> > > especially in new fields of endeavour, more persistence is 
required.
> > >
> > > -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
> > > A business is as honest as its advertisements.
> > > .
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> >
> > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you 
wish to
> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting 
this same
> page.
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> > - Include your full name with your message.
> > - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier 
messages to keep
> them short.
> > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject 
header.
> > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
> &amp;amp;quot;flames.&amp;amp;quot;
> > - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the 
various
> resources on the homepage.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
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> >
> >
> >

Ricardo, no I did not think of that. Will try it

Vinny

http://www.wulfsden.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Ricardo Lagos" 
<ricardo@s...> wrote:
> i gotta chime in for this one --
> 
> did you search the archives for your quesiton -- maybe it has 
already been

> asked and answered before
> 
> -- ricardo

I guess I issed your point entirely, what was it? I don't wnat 
anybody to do any research for me, never asked for research, I 
thought if anyone ran into this problem it would save a lot of time 
doing research.

I don't think I am making any demands on anybodys time and no one on 
this list owes me anything no do I owe anybody anything. I mearly ran 
into something I hadn't experienced before and hoped some one had an 
answer. After 2 posts and no answer of any kind by all sorts of 
bandering about who has the best what I thought just maybe I am 
wasting my time here but guess what, my complaming got several 
responses and possibly a fix. 

Thank you all for the suggestions and I hope you don't think I 
assumed you owed me anything.

Vinny

http://www.wulfsden.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Robert C Wittig" 
<rwittig@c...> wrote:
> > I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer after 
2
> > posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the better 
of
> > anything
> 
> I think you missed my point entirely.
> 
> You might get people to do your research for you one time, by
> complaining, but it is not a very good long-term strategy, if you 
are
> serious about learning.
> 
> As far as I know, no-one on this list owes me anything, so I have no
> right to go making demands on their time, and complaining if they 
do not
> respond. Also, I am taking the time to answer a fair number of 
posts, for
> one with my limited level of experience, in order that I might put
> something into the list, before I start assuming that anyone 'owes' 
me

> anything in return.
> 
> You might want to try searching the list database for 'VM curves and
> contrast'. It brought up a lot of hits.
> 
> -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
> A business is as honest as its advertisements.
> .

Vinny,

I read your post and that one left me pretty stumped. I hoped someone else
would pick it up.

Have you tried this with other images or did this just happen with the one
file? If it is just the one file than I would have to mark it up to
coincidence that it printed well without a separation curve.

Printing with or without a curve is definitely going to change the look of a
print because the curve is manipulating the file data so that the Epson
driver will use the different inks in different tonal ranges than it
normally would.

As Tyler mentioned, some more information would be of help.

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "vinyo88" <orlandovl@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] No answer


>
> Martin, I posted the question twice and got the same response,
> nothing. It is post 18021. If you have any suggestions I would
> greatly appreciate it.
> Thanks
> vinny
> http://www.wulfsden.com
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > V,
> >
> > First, what was your question? Sometimes you need to ask more than
> once.
> > This place gets more than a bit noisy from time to time.
> >
> > Second, there are seldom definitive answers and the best you are
> likely to
> > get are opinions. Unfortunately opinions often differ and result in
> debate
> > or argument.
> >
> > Martin Wesley
> >
> > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] No answer
> >
> >
> > > I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer after
> 2
> > > posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the better
> of
> > > anything
> > > V
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Robert C Wittig"
> > > <rwittig@c...> wrote:
> > > > > It is simply amazing that one can get 100 answers to which
> > > printer is
> > > > > best (which has nothing to do with problems printing) but I
> can't
> > > get
> > > > > an answer to either of 2 posts having to do with printing
> problems
> > > > > that I am sure someone can answer. This group just seems to
> love
> > > to
> > > > > argue about everything and anything.
> > > >
> > > > First, I checked out your website, and enjoyed viewing some of
> your
> > > > images.
> > > >
> > > > Second, complaining about not getting the service you required
> from
> > > a
> > > > list where all contributions are free serves no purpose except
> to
> > > make
> > > > you look like a complainer.
> > > >
> > > > Try rephrasing your query, especially in the 'Subject' line,
> asking
> > > the
> > > > same question on other lists or NG's (but not by cross-posting)
> if
> > > you
> > > > strike out on one, and searching the FAQ's and other on-line
> > > resources
> > > > available through Google and the other engines, and the
> hardware-
> > > software
> > > > mfgr's websites.
> > > >
> > > > It would be wonderful if I could get a definitive answer to all
> of
> > > my
> > > > questions the first, second, or even third time out, but
> sometimes,
> > > > especially in new fields of endeavour, more persistence is
> required.
> > > >
> > > > -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
> > > > A business is as honest as its advertisements.
> > > > .
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Martin, this is the first time the contrast changed (higher) with any 
print file I have been using. The amazing thing is it printed so well 
without the curve ( I originally forgot to add it) when I made the 
first print. After adding the curve the print contrast jumped 
considerably higher. This is the first print that did that. I have 
printed several others without seeing a contrast jump. I haven't 
printed any others to see if it is doing this to others. I am gong to 
try that next hopefully it is just a quirk with this one file. I will 
let you know if it does it to others.

Vinny

http://www.wulfsden.com


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Vinny,
> 
> I read your post and that one left me pretty stumped. I hoped 
someone else
> would pick it up.
> 
> Have you tried this with other images or did this just happen with 
the one
> file? If it is just the one file than I would have to mark it up to
> coincidence that it printed well without a separation curve.
> 
> Printing with or without a curve is definitely going to change the 
look of a
> print because the curve is manipulating the file data so that the 
Epson
> driver will use the different inks in different tonal ranges than it
> normally would.
> 
> As Tyler mentioned, some more information would be of help.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] No answer
> 
> 
> >
> > Martin, I posted the question twice and got the same response,
> > nothing. It is post 18021. If you have any suggestions I would
> > greatly appreciate it.
> > Thanks
> > vinny
> > http://www.wulfsden.com
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> > <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > > V,
> > >
> > > First, what was your question? Sometimes you need to ask more 
than
> > once.
> > > This place gets more than a bit noisy from time to time.
> > >
> > > Second, there are seldom definitive answers and the best you are
> > likely to
> > > get are opinions. Unfortunately opinions often differ and 
result in
> > debate
> > > or argument.
> > >
> > > Martin Wesley
> > >
> > > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...>
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:05 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] No answer
> > >
> > >
> > > > I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer 
after
> > 2
> > > > posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the 
better
> > of
> > > > anything
> > > > V
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Robert C Wittig"
> > > > <rwittig@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > It is simply amazing that one can get 100 answers to which
> > > > printer is
> > > > > > best (which has nothing to do with problems printing) but 
I
> > can't
> > > > get
> > > > > > an answer to either of 2 posts having to do with printing
> > problems
> > > > > > that I am sure someone can answer. This group just seems 
to
> > love
> > > > to
> > > > > > argue about everything and anything.
> > > > >
> > > > > First, I checked out your website, and enjoyed viewing some 
of
> > your
> > > > > images.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second, complaining about not getting the service you 
required
> > from
> > > > a
> > > > > list where all contributions are free serves no purpose 
except
> > to
> > > > make
> > > > > you look like a complainer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try rephrasing your query, especially in the 'Subject' line,
> > asking
> > > > the
> > > > > same question on other lists or NG's (but not by cross-
posting)
> > if
> > > > you
> > > > > strike out on one, and searching the FAQ's and other on-line
> > > > resources
> > > > > available through Google and the other engines, and the
> > hardware-
> > > > software
> > > > > mfgr's websites.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be wonderful if I could get a definitive answer to 
all
> > of
> > > > my
> > > > > questions the first, second, or even third time out, but
> > sometimes,
> > > > > especially in new fields of endeavour, more persistence is
> > required.
> > > > >
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> > > > > A business is as honest as its advertisements.
> > > > > .
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--- vinyo88 <orlandovl@...> wrote:
> Martin, this is the first time the contrast
> changed (higher) with any 
> print file I have been using. The amazing thing
> is it printed so well 
> without the curve ( I originally forgot to add
> it) when I made the 
> first print. After adding the curve the print
> contrast jumped 
> considerably higher. This is the first print
> that did that. I have 
> printed several others without seeing a
> contrast jump. I haven't 
> printed any others to see if it is doing this
> to others. I am gong to 
> try that next hopefully it is just a quirk with
> this one file. I will 
> let you know if it does it to others.
> 
> Vinny
> 

Vinny,

Is this the first time that you had printed this
particular image? Is it possible that you had
already applied a curve earlier, accidentally
saved it including the curve, then later applied
it a second time?  Just a stab in the dark to
help figure this one out...

Don Eby




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At 03:05 PM 8/13/2002 -0000, you wrote:
>I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer after 2 
>posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the better of 
>anything
>V
>

Vinny,

I've had a similar experience with a question - two posts no response. I
have to believe our questions stumped the band. Ready for a third try?

AZ
Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
http://www.panoramacamera.us
         or
keyword.com lookaround

Don you may have hit the nail on the head, I just printed a different 
photo and it printed fine. I think there is something wrong with the 
file. I am going to rescan the neg and start over.

Thanks to all


Vinny
http://www.wulfsden.com




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Don Eby <don_eby@y...> 
wrote:

> 
> --- vinyo88 <orlandovl@h...> wrote:
> > Martin, this is the first time the contrast
> > changed (higher) with any 
> > print file I have been using. The amazing thing
> > is it printed so well 
> > without the curve ( I originally forgot to add
> > it) when I made the 
> > first print. After adding the curve the print
> > contrast jumped 
> > considerably higher. This is the first print
> > that did that. I have 
> > printed several others without seeing a
> > contrast jump. I haven't 
> > printed any others to see if it is doing this
> > to others. I am gong to 
> > try that next hopefully it is just a quirk with
> > this one file. I will 
> > let you know if it does it to others.
> > 
> > Vinny
> > 
> 
> Vinny,
> 
> Is this the first time that you had printed this
> particular image? Is it possible that you had
> already applied a curve earlier, accidentally
> saved it including the curve, then later applied
> it a second time?  Just a stab in the dark to
> help figure this one out...
> 
> Don Eby
> 
> 
> 
> 
> =====
> http://www.DonEby.com
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs
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Martin, I think the file is corrupted or something. I printed a 
different file and it prints fine. I am going to rescan the neg and 
start from scratch.

I wish to thank everyone for there help. I will let you know if it 
works ok

Vinny

http://www.wulfsden.com



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Vinny,
> 
> I read your post and that one left me pretty stumped. I hoped 
someone else
> would pick it up.
> 
> Have you tried this with other images or did this just happen with 
the one
> file? If it is just the one file than I would have to mark it up to
> coincidence that it printed well without a separation curve.
> 
> Printing with or without a curve is definitely going to change the 
look of a
> print because the curve is manipulating the file data so that the 
Epson
> driver will use the different inks in different tonal ranges than it
> normally would.
> 
> As Tyler mentioned, some more information would be of help.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] No answer
> 
> 
> >
> > Martin, I posted the question twice and got the same response,
> > nothing. It is post 18021. If you have any suggestions I would
> > greatly appreciate it.
> > Thanks
> > vinny
> > http://www.wulfsden.com
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> > <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > > V,
> > >
> > > First, what was your question? Sometimes you need to ask more 
than
> > once.
> > > This place gets more than a bit noisy from time to time.
> > >
> > > Second, there are seldom definitive answers and the best you are
> > likely to
> > > get are opinions. Unfortunately opinions often differ and 
result in
> > debate
> > > or argument.
> > >
> > > Martin Wesley
> > >
> > > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...>
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:05 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] No answer
> > >
> > >
> > > > I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer 
after
> > 2
> > > > posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the 
better
> > of
> > > > anything
> > > > V
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Robert C Wittig"
> > > > <rwittig@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > It is simply amazing that one can get 100 answers to which
> > > > printer is
> > > > > > best (which has nothing to do with problems printing) but 
I
> > can't
> > > > get
> > > > > > an answer to either of 2 posts having to do with printing
> > problems
> > > > > > that I am sure someone can answer. This group just seems 
to
> > love
> > > > to
> > > > > > argue about everything and anything.
> > > > >
> > > > > First, I checked out your website, and enjoyed viewing some 
of
> > your
> > > > > images.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second, complaining about not getting the service you 
required
> > from
> > > > a
> > > > > list where all contributions are free serves no purpose 
except
> > to
> > > > make
> > > > > you look like a complainer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try rephrasing your query, especially in the 'Subject' line,
> > asking
> > > > the
> > > > > same question on other lists or NG's (but not by cross-
posting)
> > if
> > > > you
> > > > > strike out on one, and searching the FAQ's and other on-line
> > > > resources
> > > > > available through Google and the other engines, and the
> > hardware-
> > > > software
> > > > > mfgr's websites.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be wonderful if I could get a definitive answer to 
all
> > of
> > > > my
> > > > > questions the first, second, or even third time out, but
> > sometimes,
> > > > > especially in new fields of endeavour, more persistence is
> > required.
> > > > >
> > > > > -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
> > > > > A business is as honest as its advertisements.
> > > > > .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > Polls and
> > > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
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Vinny,

Unless you are really short of file space try to save a copy the original
scan file. I typically do this and after I do initial spotting, cropping and
overall adjustments I save a copy of this initial working file, too.

Martin


----- Original Message -----
From: "vinyo88" <orlandovl@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] No answer


> Martin, I think the file is corrupted or something. I printed a
> different file and it prints fine. I am going to rescan the neg and
> start from scratch.
>
> I wish to thank everyone for there help. I will let you know if it
> works ok
>
> Vinny
>
> http://www.wulfsden.com
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > Vinny,
> >
> > I read your post and that one left me pretty stumped. I hoped
> someone else
> > would pick it up.
> >
> > Have you tried this with other images or did this just happen with
> the one
> > file? If it is just the one file than I would have to mark it up to
> > coincidence that it printed well without a separation curve.
> >
> > Printing with or without a curve is definitely going to change the
> look of a
> > print because the curve is manipulating the file data so that the
> Epson
> > driver will use the different inks in different tonal ranges than it
> > normally would.
> >
> > As Tyler mentioned, some more information would be of help.
> >
> > Martin Wesley
> >
> > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] No answer
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Martin, I posted the question twice and got the same response,
> > > nothing. It is post 18021. If you have any suggestions I would
> > > greatly appreciate it.
> > > Thanks
> > > vinny
> > > http://www.wulfsden.com
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> > > <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > > > V,
> > > >
> > > > First, what was your question? Sometimes you need to ask more
> than
> > > once.
> > > > This place gets more than a bit noisy from time to time.
> > > >
> > > > Second, there are seldom definitive answers and the best you are
> > > likely to
> > > > get are opinions. Unfortunately opinions often differ and
> result in
> > > debate
> > > > or argument.
> > > >
> > > > Martin Wesley
> > > >
> > > > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...>
> > > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:05 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] No answer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer
> after
> > > 2
> > > > > posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the
> better
> > > of
> > > > > anything
> > > > > V
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Robert C Wittig"
> > > > > <rwittig@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > > It is simply amazing that one can get 100 answers to which
> > > > > printer is
> > > > > > > best (which has nothing to do with problems printing) but
> I
> > > can't
> > > > > get
> > > > > > > an answer to either of 2 posts having to do with printing
> > > problems
> > > > > > > that I am sure someone can answer. This group just seems
> to
> > > love
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > argue about everything and anything.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First, I checked out your website, and enjoyed viewing some
> of
> > > your
> > > > > > images.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Second, complaining about not getting the service you
> required
> > > from
> > > > > a
> > > > > > list where all contributions are free serves no purpose
> except
> > > to
> > > > > make
> > > > > > you look like a complainer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Try rephrasing your query, especially in the 'Subject' line,
> > > asking
> > > > > the
> > > > > > same question on other lists or NG's (but not by cross-
> posting)
> > > if
> > > > > you
> > > > > > strike out on one, and searching the FAQ's and other on-line
> > > > > resources
> > > > > > available through Google and the other engines, and the
> > > hardware-
> > > > > software
> > > > > > mfgr's websites.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would be wonderful if I could get a definitive answer to
> all
> > > of
> > > > > my
> > > > > > questions the first, second, or even third time out, but
> > > sometimes,
> > > > > > especially in new fields of endeavour, more persistence is
> > > required.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
> > > > > > A business is as honest as its advertisements.
> > > > > > .
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> > > Polls and
> > > > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > > > >
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> you
> > > wish to
> > > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting
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Vinny, we know the problem must be in your system somewhere, because so
many people on the list get 
great results with German etching paper.  Have you tried printing 100,
75, 50, and 25 position squares of gray?  Do they all print smoothly? 
Do you get a deep black when you do this? How about a long gradient from
black to white? Are pieces of it missing, or are there big jumps in
density? Is your picture high key, or fairly normal?  How about other
pictures... Same problem?

If you don't get it solved, send me all your settings, and printer model
#. Maybe you just have one little setting wrong. That can do it.

Jerry



vinyo88 wrote:

> 
> Jerry, the post is #18021, if you have any suggestions I would be
> forever in your debt.
> 
> Vinny
> http://www.wulfsden.com
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > your question was?
> >
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > vinyo88 wrote:
> > >
> > > I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer after
> 2
> > > posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the better
> of
> > > anything
> > > V
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Robert C Wittig"
> > > <rwittig@c...> wrote:
> > > > > It is simply amazing that one can get 100 answers to which
> > > printer is
> > > > > best (which has nothing to do with problems printing) but I
> can't
> > > get
> > > > > an answer to either of 2 posts having to do with printing
> problems
> > > > > that I am sure someone can answer. This group just seems to
> love
> > > to
> > > > > argue about everything and anything.
> > > >
> > > > First, I checked out your website, and enjoyed viewing some of
> your
> > > > images.
> > > >
> > > > Second, complaining about not getting the service you required
> from
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> > > > strike out on one, and searching the FAQ's and other on-line
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> > > software
> > > > mfgr's websites.
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> of
> > > my
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> sometimes,
> > > > especially in new fields of endeavour, more persistence is
> required.
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Martin, thanks for the tip. Will do

Vinny

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Vinny,
> 
> Unless you are really short of file space try to save a copy the 
original
> scan file. I typically do this and after I do initial spotting, 
cropping and
> overall adjustments I save a copy of this initial working file, too.
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] No answer
> 
> 
> > Martin, I think the file is corrupted or something. I printed a
> > different file and it prints fine. I am going to rescan the neg 
and
> > start from scratch.
> >
> > I wish to thank everyone for there help. I will let you know if it
> > works ok
> >
> > Vinny
> >
> > http://www.wulfsden.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> > <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > > Vinny,
> > >
> > > I read your post and that one left me pretty stumped. I hoped
> > someone else
> > > would pick it up.
> > >
> > > Have you tried this with other images or did this just happen 
with
> > the one
> > > file? If it is just the one file than I would have to mark it 
up to
> > > coincidence that it printed well without a separation curve.
> > >
> > > Printing with or without a curve is definitely going to change 
the
> > look of a
> > > print because the curve is manipulating the file data so that 
the
> > Epson
> > > driver will use the different inks in different tonal ranges 
than it
> > > normally would.
> > >
> > > As Tyler mentioned, some more information would be of help.
> > >
> > > Martin Wesley
> > >
> > > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...>
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:27 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] No answer
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Martin, I posted the question twice and got the same response,
> > > > nothing. It is post 18021. If you have any suggestions I would
> > > > greatly appreciate it.
> > > > Thanks
> > > > vinny
> > > > http://www.wulfsden.com
> > > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> > > > <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > > > > V,
> > > > >
> > > > > First, what was your question? Sometimes you need to ask 
more
> > than
> > > > once.
> > > > > This place gets more than a bit noisy from time to time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second, there are seldom definitive answers and the best 
you are
> > > > likely to
> > > > > get are opinions. Unfortunately opinions often differ and
> > result in
> > > > debate
> > > > > or argument.
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin Wesley
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...>
> > > > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:05 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] No answer
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no 
answer
> > after
> > > > 2
> > > > > > posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the
> > better
> > > > of
> > > > > > anything
> > > > > > V
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Robert C 
Wittig"
> > > > > > <rwittig@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > It is simply amazing that one can get 100 answers to 
which
> > > > > > printer is
> > > > > > > > best (which has nothing to do with problems printing) 
but
> > I
> > > > can't
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > an answer to either of 2 posts having to do with 
printing
> > > > problems
> > > > > > > > that I am sure someone can answer. This group just 
seems
> > to
> > > > love
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > argue about everything and anything.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > First, I checked out your website, and enjoyed viewing 
some
> > of
> > > > your
> > > > > > > images.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Second, complaining about not getting the service you
> > required
> > > > from
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > list where all contributions are free serves no purpose
> > except
> > > > to
> > > > > > make
> > > > > > > you look like a complainer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Try rephrasing your query, especially in the 'Subject' 
line,
> > > > asking
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > same question on other lists or NG's (but not by cross-
> > posting)
> > > > if
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > strike out on one, and searching the FAQ's and other on-
line
> > > > > > resources
> > > > > > > available through Google and the other engines, and the
> > > > hardware-
> > > > > > software
> > > > > > > mfgr's websites.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It would be wonderful if I could get a definitive 
answer to
> > all
> > > > of
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > questions the first, second, or even third time out, but
> > > > sometimes,
> > > > > > > especially in new fields of endeavour, more persistence 
is
> > > > required.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
> > > > > > > A business is as honest as its advertisements.
> > > > > > > .
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Jerry, I am using EAM paper not German etching, but I may have the 
answer. I think the file is bad. I am going to rescan and try it over
I will let you know

Vinny


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Vinny, we know the problem must be in your system somewhere, 
because so
> many people on the list get 
> great results with German etching paper.  Have you tried printing 
100,
> 75, 50, and 25 position squares of gray?  Do they all print 
smoothly? 
> Do you get a deep black when you do this? How about a long gradient 
from
> black to white? Are pieces of it missing, or are there big jumps in
> density? Is your picture high key, or fairly normal?  How about 
other
> pictures... Same problem?
> 
> If you don't get it solved, send me all your settings, and printer 
model
> #. Maybe you just have one little setting wrong. That can do it.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> vinyo88 wrote:
> > 
> > Jerry, the post is #18021, if you have any suggestions I would be
> > forever in your debt.
> > 
> > Vinny
> > http://www.wulfsden.com
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > your question was?
> > >
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > vinyo88 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I not only did not get a definitive answer, I got no answer 
after
> > 2
> > > > posts, but there is no end to bickering about who has the 
better
> > of
> > > > anything
> > > > V
> > > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Robert C Wittig"
> > > > <rwittig@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > It is simply amazing that one can get 100 answers to which
> > > > printer is
> > > > > > best (which has nothing to do with problems printing) but 
I
> > can't
> > > > get
> > > > > > an answer to either of 2 posts having to do with printing
> > problems
> > > > > > that I am sure someone can answer. This group just seems 
to
> > love
> > > > to
> > > > > > argue about everything and anything.
> > > > >
> > > > > First, I checked out your website, and enjoyed viewing some 
of
> > your
> > > > > images.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second, complaining about not getting the service you 
required
> > from
> > > > a
> > > > > list where all contributions are free serves no purpose 
except
> > to
> > > > make
> > > > > you look like a complainer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try rephrasing your query, especially in the 'Subject' line,
> > asking
> > > > the
> > > > > same question on other lists or NG's (but not by cross-
posting)
> > if
> > > > you
> > > > > strike out on one, and searching the FAQ's and other on-line
> > > > resources
> > > > > available through Google and the other engines, and the
> > hardware-
> > > > software
> > > > > mfgr's websites.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be wonderful if I could get a definitive answer to 
all
> > of
> > > > my
> > > > > questions the first, second, or even third time out, but
> > sometimes,
> > > > > especially in new fields of endeavour, more persistence is
> > required.
> > > > >
> > > > > -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
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> > > > > .
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