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Clogging CFS Line

Clogging CFS Line

2002-08-20 by azshtr

Hi all,

My CFS line clogged again! 

The last time this happened the system sat unused for about 6 
months and the BLACK line was dried completely. I replaced the 
CFS and installed MIS VM inks. I figured it was a fluke or that 
sitting for 6 months was to long. Last night I went to do some 
printing and couldn't get a good head check pattern, no black at 
all. After all the cleaning tricks still no pattern. So I checked the 
lines and the BLACK line was clogged again! This time it sat 
unused for only 2 weeks. After I removed the system and flushed 
the line with a syring, sucked ink back into the line and 
reinstalled it, I got a perfect head pattern.

Is this normal? A clogged line after 2 weeks seems excessive to 
me. Anyone else have this problem and what are you doing to 
avoid it? (the obvious solution is to not let it sit unused for very 
long) Thanks for any insight.

Dave Tevis

Re: Clogging CFS Line

2002-08-20 by jimhayes361

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "azshtr" <dave@t...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 

> lines and the BLACK line was clogged again! This time it sat 
> unused for only 2 weeks. After I removed the system and flushed 
> the line with a syring, sucked ink back into the line and 
> reinstalled it, I got a perfect head pattern.
> 
> Is this normal? A clogged line after 2 weeks seems excessive to 
> me. Anyone else have this problem and what are you doing to 
> avoid it? (the obvious solution is to not let it sit unused for very 
> long) Thanks for any insight.
> 
> Dave Tevis

After two 1160s an an 1280, both CIS and CFS, and vacuum filled carts, 
old piezo and MIS VM and FS ink, and two years, my conclusion is that 
two weeks is WAYYY too long! It depends on your climate and the 
specific printer, some are better than others- but the ink has to 
negotiate a 90 degree turn and the head was not made for pigment inks.

I have a hot and dry climate here and have to control it so humidity 
is above 40%RH and temp is below 77 degrees F. Even so, through 
experience I now run a fast draft purge pattern every 12 hours 
followed by a nozzle check. If I don't I waste more ink in clearing 
clogs than printing the purge pattern. I suspect that is extreme for 
most people, maybe once a day to once every three days is okay. BUT 
NOT two weeks! You have to determine what interval works for you- 
start out frequent and then less frequent- until you discover the 
point where you clog up.

I've come to expect that wasting some ink in printing purge patterns 
vs cleaning cycles is just the price we pay for running these nice 
inks through the printer. I heard that the 2000P had more gentle ink 
path through the head- if so I would expect the 2200 to be the same as 
it uses pigs as well.
Jim H.

Re: Clogging CFS Line

2002-08-20 by azshtr

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "jimhayes361" 
<jimhayes@j...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "azshtr" <dave@t...> 
wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> 
> > lines and the BLACK line was clogged again! This time it sat 
> > unused for only 2 weeks. After I removed the system and 
flushed 
> > the line with a syring, sucked ink back into the line and 
> > reinstalled it, I got a perfect head pattern.
> > 
> > Is this normal? A clogged line after 2 weeks seems 
excessive to 
> > me. Anyone else have this problem and what are you doing 
to 
> > avoid it? (the obvious solution is to not let it sit unused for 
very 
> > long) Thanks for any insight.
> > 
> > Dave Tevis
> 
> After two 1160s an an 1280, both CIS and CFS, and vacuum 
filled carts, 
> old piezo and MIS VM and FS ink, and two years, my conclusion 
is that 
> two weeks is WAYYY too long! It depends on your climate and 
the 
> specific printer, some are better than others- but the ink has to 
> negotiate a 90 degree turn and the head was not made for 
pigment inks.
> 
> I have a hot and dry climate here and have to control it so 
humidity 
> is above 40%RH and temp is below 77 degrees F. Even so, 
through 
> experience I now run a fast draft purge pattern every 12 hours 
> followed by a nozzle check. If I don't I waste more ink in clearing 
> clogs than printing the purge pattern. I suspect that is extreme 
for 
> most people, maybe once a day to once every three days is 
okay. BUT 
> NOT two weeks! You have to determine what interval works for 
you- 
> start out frequent and then less frequent- until you discover the 
> point where you clog up.
> 
> I've come to expect that wasting some ink in printing purge 
patterns 
> vs cleaning cycles is just the price we pay for running these 
nice 
> inks through the printer. I heard that the 2000P had more 
gentle ink 
> path through the head- if so I would expect the 2200 to be the 
same as 
> it uses pigs as well.
> Jim H.

You probably understood where my clog was occuring but just to 
clarify... its the ink in the line that is drying, not the head that is 
clogging. I don't see what a 90 bend has to do with it. The line 
drys out and therfore the head can't spray ink with a vacuum in 
the line. Clear out the line and it immediatly works great. In the 
past I've never had this problem. Just the last 2 systems I had on 
this machine. Although I admit that 6 months is way to long, I 
would not expect dryed ink in the line at 2 weeks. I need to stay 
on top of the printing to keep this system running, but problems 
at 2 weeks I would expect a warning from MIS about the potential 
of this issue.
 
Dave

Re: Clogging CFS Line

2002-08-21 by jimhayes361

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "azshtr" <dave@t...> wrote:

> > I've come to expect that wasting some ink in printing purge 
> patterns 
> > vs cleaning cycles is just the price we pay for running these 
> nice 
> > inks through the printer. I heard that the 2000P had more 
> gentle ink 
> > path through the head- if so I would expect the 2200 to be the 
> same as 
> > it uses pigs as well.
> > Jim H.
> 
> You probably understood where my clog was occuring but just to 
> clarify... its the ink in the line that is drying, not the head that 
is 
> clogging. I don't see what a 90 bend has to do with it.

Oops!  No I didn't get that right, sorry. I misunderstood the meaning 
of the word "line" I think, or something...yes the head config is out 
of the loop then.


 The line 
> drys out and therfore the head can't spray ink with a vacuum in 
> the line. Clear out the line and it immediatly works great. In the 
> past I've never had this problem. Just the last 2 systems I had on 
> this machine. Although I admit that 6 months is way to long, I 
> would not expect dryed ink in the line at 2 weeks.

In that case you are correct. Seems funny and you bring up the 
question of whether the tubing has been attacked by the ink for too 
long and so is more permeable than before, or if the ink has just 
evaporated through the tubing and is now sludgy. Or perhaps just old 
after six months. The We-Ink folks once told me that they thought pig 
ink goes bad after six- twelve months, but they may have been trying 
to sell me an alternate product<g>.

 I need to stay 
> on top of the printing to keep this system running, but problems 
> at 2 weeks I would expect a warning from MIS about the potential 
> of this issue.

I wonder if replacing the k ink bottle, possibly the tubing and even 
more out on a limb, the k cart in the CFS would eliminate your 
problem. Just a wild thought, but with the CFS of course, you can buy 
all the parts seperately, even the glue for the tubing. Anyway, I was 
answering the wrong question before, sorry.
Jim H.
>  
> Dave

[Digital BW] Re: Clogging CFS Line

2002-09-05 by jrandall1149

The plastic (tygon?) tubes are not impermeable to water.  They allow 
water (the major component of ink) to evaporate.  This process is 
accelerated in hot and low humidity conditions.  The humidity in my 
printer room is almost always above 50% (yeah, I live in Seattle) and 
I have not had a clog in almost 2 years.

Jeff Randall

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., josh smith <josh@r...> 
wrote:
> on 20/8/02 9:07 am,josh smith @ josh_smith@c... wrote:
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "azshtr" <dave@t...> 
wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> 
> > lines and the BLACK line was clogged again! This time it sat
> > unused for only 2 weeks. After I removed the system and flushed
> > the line with a syring, sucked ink back into the line and
> > reinstalled it, I got a perfect head pattern.
> > 
> > Is this normal? A clogged line after 2 weeks seems excessive to
> > me. Anyone else have this problem and what are you doing to
> > avoid it? (the obvious solution is to not let it sit unused for 
very
> > long) Thanks for any insight.
> > 
> > Dave Tevis
> 
> I had the same problem, it happened twice in within a month. 
Trouble is
> I didn't realise it was the tube that was clogged. I "blew" out the 
clog
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> with a syringe by detaching the tube from the carts elbow joint.
> Trouble was I covered my wall with black ink !!!.
> 
> I have had two months of trouble free printing now.
> 
> Hope it helps
> 
> Josh
> 
> -- 
> josh_smith@c...
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Digital BW] Adjustment Curve for PTone printing from Piezo Driver

2002-09-05 by Carolyn Frayn

I just posted this on the Piezo list for Tyler, thought some of you may be
interested. In this lists files section Tyler's original preview tutorial
can be found if you don't wish to follow the link to the Piezo3000 list.

----

Tyler wrote this up for those interested, .. for anyone who don't know his
previous preview tutorial, go here first...

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piezography3000/message/17849>

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Make a new preview curve for the new ink. Open a file and make a duplicate,
preview one with current old Piezo preview curve, preview the other with the
new Ptone preview curve. Now make an adjustment curve on the Ptone previewed
file to make it match the Piezo previewed file on the monitor. Print with
PTones using the new adjustment curve, tweak as necessary.

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Thanks kindly Tyler.

Carolyn

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Clogging CFS Line

2002-09-05 by josh smith

on 20/8/02 9:07 am,josh smith @ josh_smith@... wrote:

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "azshtr" <dave@t...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 

> lines and the BLACK line was clogged again! This time it sat
> unused for only 2 weeks. After I removed the system and flushed
> the line with a syring, sucked ink back into the line and
> reinstalled it, I got a perfect head pattern.
> 
> Is this normal? A clogged line after 2 weeks seems excessive to
> me. Anyone else have this problem and what are you doing to
> avoid it? (the obvious solution is to not let it sit unused for very
> long) Thanks for any insight.
> 
> Dave Tevis

I had the same problem, it happened twice in within a month. Trouble is
I didn't realise it was the tube that was clogged. I "blew" out the clog
with a syringe by detaching the tube from the carts elbow joint.
Trouble was I covered my wall with black ink !!!.

I have had two months of trouble free printing now.

Hope it helps

Josh

-- 
josh_smith@...



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