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Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-20 by gannet@intnet.net

I'll apologize right up front for the cross-posting, in case you see
this same question elsewhere.  My excuse is that I'm not doing this
because I'm lazy or in a hurry.  Rather, I've been poking at this
question for a while in various places and I'm getting zero answers or
leads.  I also think this question may be of interest to many besides
myself.

The question is: does anyone know of any PC builders who are offering
machines specifically tailored for the digital darkroom (DD)?

You can get specialty gaming machines, digital audio workstations, 3D
graphics workstations, digital video workstations, etc., etc., but I'm
not seeing any PCs optimized for DD work.

Yes, I can certainly spec out my own machine from a custom builder,
and in fact I'm looking around at various builders to do just that.
The problem is that there is a dearth of machines and options
applicable to DD work.  For example, massive RAM and massive storage
are a given.  Data redundancy and dual processors are highly
desirable.  Absolute max CPU speed is nice but not really that
important, and 3D graphics speed is not important.  The usual "custom
machine starting points" you see on websites simply aren't geared for
this.  Server class boxes are usually the only ones that come close,
and they often have other unneeded features.

As an editorial comment, I think these vendors are missing out on a
market.  Why is it that we have lots of people lined up to pay
multi-4-figure and 5-figure amounts for digital SLR systems, and yet
these same folks are expected to limp along with an inadequate
computer or else learn to be a hardware guru themselves and put one
together?  I think there's money laying on this table.

Maybe I'm all wrong and these vendors are out there.  If so, please
point me to them.

TIA

Gannet
St. Petersburg, Florida

Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-20 by David Townend

There's this really obscure company that no-one has ever heard of that
specialises in just what you are looking for...Link below
http://www.apple.com/
Apparently they are pretty good !
Regards,
David
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From: gannet@...
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:31:10 -0400
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

The question is: does anyone know of any PC builders who are offering
machines specifically tailored for the digital darkroom (DD)?

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Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-20 by Moreno Polloni

> There's this really obscure company that no-one has ever heard of that
> specialises in just what you are looking for...Link below
> http://www.apple.com/
> Apparently they are pretty good !


Yes, but I think he wants a fast computer. :)

RE: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-21 by Henrik

Just my suggestion

go to your local computer store which builds custom made computers and
specify what you need/want

presuming you want a PC then, (within your budget) which you are going to
blow anyway! :-)

get the fastest processor - AMD or INTEL -
I went for the AMD 2200+ as it was the fastest at the time and a main board
to suit ASUS A7V8X
there are some boards that can take 4 DIMMS (that is RAM) since 1Gb Ram
sticks are very expensive you could add 4x 512MB to an EPOX that I have
seen, unfortunately my ASUS only takes 3x 512mb hence I only have
1.5Gigabytes of DDR ram (which is one of the fastest atm)

then it is time to look at your main object the graphics card - Darkroom is
a 2D environment, so you don't need one of those GeForce 3D games cards - if
that is what you need then get a PlayStation, However if it is image quality
you are looking for there is only one place to look IMHO - www.matrox.com
for the new Parhelia 512 or the G550 both have great image quality if not
the best in their field. Furthermore Matrox offer very good support for
multiple monitors which is great for this sort of work the G550 supports 2
independent monitors and the Parhelia does 3 monitors - I had the 550 and
have just gotten the new Parhelia and it rocks (I can't wait till I get a
third monitor!) and an even bigger desk :-))

Now we need some a place to store our images - harddrives, yes hard
Drive(s)(plur) more then one that is for sure, it doesn't matter if you can
get a 300 Gigabyte disk - 3 x 100 Gigabyte disks are better and faster or 3
x 300 Gigabyte is even better.
 SCSI hard drives are the fastest! Period!!! there is no doubt about that -
but they come with a pricetag to match so...your second best option is IDE
harddrives - get some fast Western Digital JB drives with 8mb cache, I think
80-120 Gigabyte, possible bigger. There is various ways of setting up the
hard drives, but one thing Photoshop likes is to have its SCRATCH file on a
separate disk, separate from windoze's swap file - AND NO, you can't put it
on another partition on the same harddrive! There a marginal difference (few
%) by separateing them, but it is all this marginal %'s that in the end
makes a difference.

I have SIX 80 Gigabyte hard drives - one boot disk + 4 x disk in a RAID 10
(Stripe and mirror)and one for scratch disk (and other loose stuff) - boot
disk is on onboard controller and the RAID is on an Adaptec 2400A Raid Cache
Controller and the last is on a cheapo raid card there is room for one more
disk and the whole setup is still efficient

You NEED BACKUP - DVD-backup device DVD+/-R /RW or DVDRAM - I went for
DVDRAM, but it is not as fast, there are now newer and faster drives out
there

Floppy disk, CD-RW, network cards,modem and wireless connection to your
notebook etc... are all things you can add on

last but not the least you need to get yourself a nice big case to house all
this gear, with a good airflow through it at least if you are living in a
hot climate like I do (Western Australia) I went for a Lian Li PC-70 case
but that was only because I could not fit the RAID card in a normal case and
don;'t forget a super Power Supply.

Just to sum it all up

ASUStec A7V8x main board
AMD 2200+ Athlon processor - there is not much gained for a dual processor
(I have had 3 of them!) at least it is only few things in PS that takes
advantage of it - I could be wrong so please correct me!)

3 x 512mb DDR Ram PC-2700 or faster or bigger, but at least a total of 1
Gigabyte

Matrox graphics card G-550 or Parhelia

3 x hard drives (I recommend WDC800JB) or greater

DVD-xxx backup

A good Case with a great power supply

Floppy, CD, NIC and modem, Firewire and/or USB2 - just the standard stuff
and perhaps a sound card so you can relax while working :-) no that is
already on the mainboard

to that you add your 2-3x 21" Sony Triniton monitors and your color
calibrator (e.g. spyder) and you are just about there

I may have missed a few things along the way, but I am sure there are others
on the list that will pick up on some of my mistakes

just as a guide - my own box was AUD$5k ~ US$2500 without monitors! just the
box!!

Good luck


Henrik

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From: gannet@... [mailto:gannet@...]
Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 1:31 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

I'll apologize right up front for the cross-posting, in case you see
this same question elsewhere.  My excuse is that I'm not doing this
because I'm lazy or in a hurry.  Rather, I've been poking at this
question for a while in various places and I'm getting zero answers or
leads.  I also think this question may be of interest to many besides
myself.

The question is: does anyone know of any PC builders who are offering
machines specifically tailored for the digital darkroom (DD)?

You can get specialty gaming machines, digital audio workstations, 3D
graphics workstations, digital video workstations, etc., etc., but I'm
not seeing any PCs optimized for DD work.

Yes, I can certainly spec out my own machine from a custom builder,
and in fact I'm looking around at various builders to do just that.
The problem is that there is a dearth of machines and options
applicable to DD work.  For example, massive RAM and massive storage
are a given.  Data redundancy and dual processors are highly
desirable.  Absolute max CPU speed is nice but not really that
important, and 3D graphics speed is not important.  The usual "custom
machine starting points" you see on websites simply aren't geared for
this.  Server class boxes are usually the only ones that come close,
and they often have other unneeded features.

As an editorial comment, I think these vendors are missing out on a
market.  Why is it that we have lots of people lined up to pay
multi-4-figure and 5-figure amounts for digital SLR systems, and yet
these same folks are expected to limp along with an inadequate
computer or else learn to be a hardware guru themselves and put one
together?  I think there's money laying on this table.

Maybe I'm all wrong and these vendors are out there.  If so, please
point me to them.

TIA

Gannet
St. Petersburg, Florida

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Re: Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-21 by Cleavis

Well, I would like to thank Gannet for asking and Henrik for the 
considered answer.  At least with an answer like that I could print 
it out and start the conversation with a builder...otherwise I'm 
pretty much foot in mouth without knowing what to ask for or get 
given what I don't need.

It'll be a while before I get anything - will have to ask for an 
update then ;-)

Cleavis


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> 
> Good luck
> 
> 
> Henrik
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> Gannet
> St. Petersburg, Florida

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-21 by Henrik

Hi Cleavis,

Just ask away here or you can email me in private tived@...

I will do my best to answer your questions

Bare in mind that you want to be able to upgrade and that some or most of
the parts are carried on to the next upgrade. There are some things that you
just can't keep when you upgrade, it is always good to be able to trade or
sell.

The system I described has been very stable for me - it is my 3rd in the
last 2 mth (lucky to have a good friend in the biz, so i can try before I
buy - well sort off!)

I am using winXP Pro and it seems very good for what I do - I did go back to
win2k but quickly reinstalled XP - I like it alot, all execpt the networking
it seem a little different, so I may have to pull the manual on this one :-)

So let the fun begin

best regards

Henrik

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From: Cleavis [mailto:lyonscox@...]
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 1:39 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

Well, I would like to thank Gannet for asking and Henrik for the
considered answer.  At least with an answer like that I could print
it out and start the conversation with a builder...otherwise I'm
pretty much foot in mouth without knowing what to ask for or get
given what I don't need.

It'll be a while before I get anything - will have to ask for an
update then ;-)

Cleavis

SNIP
>
> Good luck
>
>
> Henrik
SNIP
> TIA
>
> Gannet
> St. Petersburg, Florida

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Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-21 by Ernst Dinkla

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From: "Henrik" <tived@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 6:06 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

> then it is time to look at your main object the graphics card - Darkroom
is
> a 2D environment, so you don't need one of those GeForce 3D games cards -
if
> that is what you need then get a PlayStation, However if it is image
quality
> you are looking for there is only one place to look IMHO - www.matrox.com
> for the new Parhelia 512 or the G550 both have great image quality if not
> the best in their field. Furthermore Matrox offer very good support for
> multiple monitors which is great for this sort of work the G550 supports 2
> independent monitors and the Parhelia does 3 monitors - I had the 550 and
> have just gotten the new Parhelia and it rocks (I can't wait till I get a
> third monitor!) and an even bigger desk :-))

There's one issue with the Matrox cards. They are great but ICC colour
control on both monitors isn't possible. I have the 550 and have no problem
with that aspect but a friend has the same card and when working on the
calibrated monitor the customer next to him has the habit of watching the
other one with the menus and then he says "but I like the image as it is on
this one" ...............

Ernst

Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-21 by David Townend

How can you even consider using a computer set up that is not ICC compliant
and call it a digital dark-room ?
I find this single fact very telling !
Regards, David
-- 
You can view David's on-line folio at http://www.davidtownend.com/
and also the results of a recent job at http://www.globalrisks.royalsun.com

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From: "Ernst Dinkla" <E.Dinkla@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:10:19 +0200
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?> third
monitor!) and an even bigger desk :-))

There's one issue with the Matrox cards. They are great but ICC colour
control on both monitors isn't possible. I have the 550 and have no problem
with that aspect but a friend has the same card and when working on the
calibrated monitor the customer next to him has the habit of watching the
other one with the menus and then he says "but I like the image as it is on
this one" ...............

Ernst

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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-21 by jt

Cleavis, the only thing I'd add is not to use a matrox card if you want the
PC equivalent of the Mac Cinema screen (forget who makes them ) as it needs
the Nvdia card or similar.

Julian
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From: "Cleavis" <lyonscox@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 6:39 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?


> Well, I would like to thank Gannet for asking and Henrik for the
> considered answer.  At least with an answer like that I could print
> it out and start the conversation with a builder...otherwise I'm
> pretty much foot in mouth without knowing what to ask for or get
> given what I don't need.
>
> It'll be a while before I get anything - will have to ask for an
> update then ;-)
>
> Cleavis
>
>
> SNIP
> >
> > Good luck
> >
> >
> > Henrik
> SNIP
> > TIA
> >
> > Gannet
> > St. Petersburg, Florida
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-21 by Ernst Dinkla

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From: "David Townend" <d.townend@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?


> How can you even consider using a computer set up that is not ICC
compliant
> and call it a digital dark-room ?
> I find this single fact very telling !
> Regards, David
> --
> You can view David's on-line folio at http://www.davidtownend.com/
> and also the results of a recent job at
http://www.globalrisks.royalsun.com
>
> T - 00 44 (0)20 8374 6289
> M - 00 44 (0)7770 622144
>
> From: "Ernst Dinkla" <E.Dinkla@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:10:19 +0200
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?> third
> monitor!) and an even bigger desk :-))
>
> There's one issue with the Matrox cards. They are great but ICC colour
> control on both monitors isn't possible. I have the 550 and have no
problem
> with that aspect but a friend has the same card and when working on the
> calibrated monitor the customer next to him has the habit of watching the
> other one with the menus and then he says "but I like the image as it is
on
> this one" ...............
>
> Ernst

David,

ICC colour control will work on one monitor !!!!! If the other monitor is
only used  for the menus and nothing else then I don't see any problem using
a Matrox card.

Ernst

Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-21 by David Townend

Thank you for clarifying that. I was getting very excited with the idea that
you had somehow invented a system of colour management that did away with
colour profiles and still work ! Now that would be in my dreams, I guess !
Regards, David
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From: "Ernst Dinkla" <E.Dinkla@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:11:23 +0200
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?



----- Original Message -----
From: "David Townend" <d.townend@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?


> How can you even consider using a computer set up that is not ICC
compliant
> and call it a digital dark-room ?
> I find this single fact very telling !
> Regards, David
> --
> You can view David's on-line folio at http://www.davidtownend.com/
> and also the results of a recent job at
http://www.globalrisks.royalsun.com
>
> T - 00 44 (0)20 8374 6289
> M - 00 44 (0)7770 622144
>
> From: "Ernst Dinkla" <E.Dinkla@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:10:19 +0200
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?> third
> monitor!) and an even bigger desk :-))
>
> There's one issue with the Matrox cards. They are great but ICC colour
> control on both monitors isn't possible. I have the 550 and have no
problem
> with that aspect but a friend has the same card and when working on the
> calibrated monitor the customer next to him has the habit of watching the
> other one with the menus and then he says "but I like the image as it is
on
> this one" ...............
>
> Ernst

David,

ICC colour control will work on one monitor !!!!! If the other monitor is
only used  for the menus and nothing else then I don't see any problem using
a Matrox card.

Ernst



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RE: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-21 by Henrik

David,

I believe the Parhelia is ICC-compliant, but I could be wrong - now I have
to check my settings :-)
BTW what would you recommend for a graphics card if not a matrox?

- let the fun begin :-)

best regards

Henrik

Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-21 by Andrew Rodney

on 10/21/02 2:11 AM, Ernst Dinkla at E.Dinkla@... wrote:
> 
> ICC colour control will work on one monitor !!!!! If the other monitor is
> only used  for the menus and nothing else then I don't see any problem using
> a Matrox card.
> 
It¹s not the display that¹s a role here but the video card. It must support
downloadable look up tales. There are display systems (Baro, Spectraview,
Sony Artisan) that can produce a calibrated result with any video card
because all the calibration takes place using the electronics in the
display. These systems do cost more money.

Andrew Rodney 


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Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-21 by Ernst Dinkla

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Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Henrik" <tived@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 6:06 AM
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?
>
>
> > then it is time to look at your main object the graphics card - Darkroom
> is
> > a 2D environment, so you don't need one of those GeForce 3D games
cards -
> if
> > that is what you need then get a PlayStation, However if it is image
> quality
> > you are looking for there is only one place to look IMHO -
www.matrox.com
> > for the new Parhelia 512 or the G550 both have great image quality if
not
> > the best in their field. Furthermore Matrox offer very good support for
> > multiple monitors which is great for this sort of work the G550 supports
2
> > independent monitors and the Parhelia does 3 monitors - I had the 550
and
> > have just gotten the new Parhelia and it rocks (I can't wait till I get
a
> > third monitor!) and an even bigger desk :-))
>
> There's one issue with the Matrox cards. They are great but ICC colour
> control on both monitors isn't possible. I have the 550 and have no
problem
> with that aspect but a friend has the same card and when working on the
> calibrated monitor the customer next to him has the habit of watching the
> other one with the menus and then he says "but I like the image as it is
on
> this one" ...............
>
> Ernst

Better return to my own reply before any other confusion occurs.
The Matrox double head cards are ICC compatible but you can only use one ICC
monitor profile with the card, that means you either need two monitors that
are exactly the same (or made the same with the hardware control of the
monitor itself) or abandon colour control of the monitor that is only
running the PS menus. As most have a 20" screen for the image and a 17"
screen for the menus there's little chance that the monitors are much alike.

If colour control is needed on both monitors, then it is better to have two
separate cards or a double headed card that allows the use of two separate
ICC profiles.

Ernst

RE: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-22 by Haute Cuisine Pty Ltd

Thanks Ernst,

I got a little confused here, but you cleared it up - I have the Parhelia
here, but as I atm are having problems with one of my monitors I could not
be very clear on how it all really works.
I have 2 x 19" DiamondTron 19NF any bigger and I would sit on my neighbours
lap - currently my desk is 240x120cm which I think is 8x4 foot!

Ideally I would like to move to LCD, but AFAIK it is only the Apple Monitor
22-23" that is good enough - and I just can't afford that.

Hopefully when I get my other monitor back I will be able to evaluate my
setup better

thanks

Henrik

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From: Ernst Dinkla [mailto:E.Dinkla@...]
Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 22:21
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernst Dinkla" <E.Dinkla@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Henrik" <tived@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 6:06 AM
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?
>
>
> > then it is time to look at your main object the graphics card - Darkroom
> is
> > a 2D environment, so you don't need one of those GeForce 3D games
cards -
> if
> > that is what you need then get a PlayStation, However if it is image
> quality
> > you are looking for there is only one place to look IMHO -
www.matrox.com
> > for the new Parhelia 512 or the G550 both have great image quality if
not
> > the best in their field. Furthermore Matrox offer very good support for
> > multiple monitors which is great for this sort of work the G550 supports
2
> > independent monitors and the Parhelia does 3 monitors - I had the 550
and
> > have just gotten the new Parhelia and it rocks (I can't wait till I get
a
> > third monitor!) and an even bigger desk :-))
>
> There's one issue with the Matrox cards. They are great but ICC colour
> control on both monitors isn't possible. I have the 550 and have no
problem
> with that aspect but a friend has the same card and when working on the
> calibrated monitor the customer next to him has the habit of watching the
> other one with the menus and then he says "but I like the image as it is
on
> this one" ...............
>
> Ernst

Better return to my own reply before any other confusion occurs.
The Matrox double head cards are ICC compatible but you can only use one ICC
monitor profile with the card, that means you either need two monitors that
are exactly the same (or made the same with the hardware control of the
monitor itself) or abandon colour control of the monitor that is only
running the PS menus. As most have a 20" screen for the image and a 17"
screen for the menus there's little chance that the monitors are much alike.

If colour control is needed on both monitors, then it is better to have two
separate cards or a double headed card that allows the use of two separate
ICC profiles.

Ernst




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Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-24 by Bob Frost

Ernst,

There are two issues with Matrox cards; the other one is that they will not
work with Apple Cinema or Formac Gallery LCD displays. Matrox say there are
timing problems. So if you want to work with one of these beautiful top-end
displays, you need to buy a nVidia or ATI Radeon card.

Bob Frost.

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From: "Ernst Dinkla" <E.Dinkla@...>

> There's one issue with the Matrox cards. They are great but ICC colour
> control on both monitors isn't possible. I have the 550 and have no
problem
> with that aspect but a friend has the same card and when working on the
> calibrated monitor the customer next to him has the habit of watching the
> other one with the menus and then he says "but I like the image as it is
on
> this one" ...............

Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-24 by Bob Frost

Henrik,

The Formac Gallery 17 & 20" LCD monitors are said to be as good or even
better than the Apple Cinema displays (both made by Fujitsu I believe). As
well as being considerably cheaper - still not cheap, but quality never is.

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Haute Cuisine Pty Ltd" <tived@...>
>
> Ideally I would like to move to LCD, but AFAIK it is only the Apple
Monitor

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> 22-23" that is good enough - and I just can't afford that.
>
> Henrik

Textured paper on epson 1270

2002-10-25 by Andreas Sullivan

Hi all...I'm new to the group...

ANyway, I own an Epson 1270 printer. I'm using it with Epson's Ink and Heavyweight-matte or colorlife paper. But recently I went to an art store and found a digital print made on textured paper. I forget what's the brand, but I the print is beautiful and artistic. I want to try textured paper...but I'm afraid of the longevity issue....I display my work matted on the wall...sometimes I sell them to people, or just give as gifts, I do want my artwork to be long enough to give pleasure to the viewer.

Does anybody in this list have any luck with 3rd party textured paper (canvas or watercolor paper..)..?? Pls describe what brand. I'm using only standard Ink. 

FYI, I do Fine art photography, I print duotones or tritones...(I think 1270 sucks on B&W, there always slight color cast..... does anybody have a cure for it ???)

best regards, 

Andreas



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RE: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

2002-10-25 by Jim Panzer

We are using G-Force 4's at work (we do a lot of 3-d stuff) and you
get this 15 dollar adapter thing at any electrical place to create a dual
monitor set up.  Everyone who uses it seems very happy with this set up, and
we do have a lot of people who use Photo Shop all day like this.

Jim

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From: Bob Frost [mailto:bobfrost@...] 
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:44 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital Darkroom Computer Builders?

Henrik,

The Formac Gallery 17 & 20" LCD monitors are said to be as good or even
better than the Apple Cinema displays (both made by Fujitsu I believe). As
well as being considerably cheaper - still not cheap, but quality never is.

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Haute Cuisine Pty Ltd" <tived@...>
>
> Ideally I would like to move to LCD, but AFAIK it is only the Apple
Monitor
> 22-23" that is good enough - and I just can't afford that.
>
> Henrik

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