Digital BW, The Print

Roger,

glad you find this list useful! We started it precisely for that kind of self-help. 
Hope you spread the word to like-minded folks (digital BW minded, that is!).

I bought an 1160 last week from refurbdepo.com for  $215.95.
They may still have them. Mine hasn't come in yet (this is my second one), but 
I have no indication of delays to this date.

Bear in mind that they are not all created equal. Mine (the first one) has been 
flawless - printing with a CIS and piezoBW inks since last November. But I 
have heard of others with various problems. As long as it's new and 
warranted by Epson, you can expect them to replace it if it's a bad apple. The 
advice from inkjetmall is to try it first using Epson inks. If it clogs beyond repair 
down the line (very unlikely given all the tricks to unclog), Epson may still take 
care of it. Worth taking a look at inkjetmall techsup tips.

I strongly recommend the CIS from nomorecarts. In fact I don't ever want to 
see another cart in my life. It's just a big rip-off (price wise, regardless of 
whose inks are in there) and they don't work so well with piezoBW from what 
others say.


Antonis



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Roger Smith <rbsmith@t...> wrote:
> I'm wanting to set up for B&W and have been told that the best printer in
> this size range is the Epson 1160.  They are out of production and I can't
> seem to find a referb one.  Does anyone have advise on where I might 
locate

> one of these?  I use a 1200 for color but think I want to try the curves
> developed by people on the list for B&W so I need a 1160 or 1280, I'd prefer
> the 1160 if I can find one.  What a great list!  Just what I've been looking
> for.  Thanks.  
> 
> Roger Smith

Roger,

The general gist of past posts to this and other lists seems to be: Try,
Try, Try Again when looking for an 1160. Yes, they are out of production,
but still people report them appearing on refurbdepot, Epson web site,
Auction sites (watch out for overpriced printers!) etc. They ARE out there.

Of course, this is all what I've read - there are still bucket loads of them
in the UK!

Nij

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Smith [mailto:rbsmith@...]
Sent: 02 August 2001 00:26
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digest Number 8


I'm wanting to set up for B&W and have been told that the best printer in
this size range is the Epson 1160.  They are out of production and I can't
seem to find a referb one.  Does anyone have advise on where I might locate
one of these?  I use a 1200 for color but think I want to try the curves
developed by people on the list for B&W so I need a 1160 or 1280, I'd prefer
the 1160 if I can find one.  What a great list!  Just what I've been looking
for.  Thanks.

Roger Smith



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Roger,

This is a tough and recurring problem. Epson seems to be cycling 
their printer models faster than the alternative ink companies can 
keep up. At this point I personally would not go on a hunt for a 
printer that is out of production. I did it last December for a new 
1200 and the situation seems to have gotten worse.

If I was in your position, I think that I would do this.

Buy a 1280, a set of one of the new MIS Hextone inks 
http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/quadtone.html 
and a CIS (Continuous Ink Supply) from
http://www.nomorecarts.com/ and start printing with that.

When ConeTech comes out with their set-up for the 1280 you could 
convert over if you wanted to by just replacing the cartridge portion 
of the CIS and the inks.

Or you could convert your 1200 to B&W and buy at 1280 for your color.

Welcome!

Martin Wesley


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Roger Smith <rbsmith@t...> 
wrote:
> I'm wanting to set up for B&W and have been told that the best 
printer in
> this size range is the Epson 1160.  They are out of production and 
I can't
> seem to find a referb one.  Does anyone have advise on where I 
might locate
> one of these?  I use a 1200 for color but think I want to try the 
curves
> developed by people on the list for B&W so I need a 1160 or 1280, 
I'd prefer
> the 1160 if I can find one.  What a great list!  Just what I've 
been looking

> for.  Thanks.  
> 
> Roger Smith

I'm wanting to set up for B&W and have been told that the best printer in
this size range is the Epson 1160.  They are out of production and I can't
seem to find a referb one.  Does anyone have advise on where I might locate
one of these?  I use a 1200 for color but think I want to try the curves
developed by people on the list for B&W so I need a 1160 or 1280, I'd prefer
the 1160 if I can find one.  What a great list!  Just what I've been looking
for.  Thanks.  

Roger Smith

Roger

Where are you?  I'm in the UK, and the other day I spotted that Dabs.com
still had them available.

Hope that helps.

Victoria

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Roger Smith [mailto:rbsmith@...]
  Sent: 2 August 2001 12:26 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digest Number 8


  I'm wanting to set up for B&W and have been told that the best printer in
  this size range is the Epson 1160.  They are out of production and I can't
  seem to find a referb one.  Does anyone have advise on where I might
locate
  one of these?  I use a 1200 for color but think I want to try the curves
  developed by people on the list for B&W so I need a 1160 or 1280, I'd
prefer
  the 1160 if I can find one.  What a great list!  Just what I've been
looking
  for.  Thanks.

  Roger Smith


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Roger,

Victoria's message made me think to check Epson's main website and 
various country sites. The 1160 appears in their product line up 
everywhere I checked except the US. So it looks like the 1160 is 
still in production but not for sale in the US. You could probably 
get a new one from Europe or Australia. Both the UK and Australia 
sites listed retail web stores.

Did not see the 1200 anywhere but it may have a different model 
number.

Of course you would have to pay more in shiping and some import duty. 
One other thing to watch out for would be electrical requirements. 
Most of Europe is on 250V, 50Hz rather than 125V, 60Hz but a lot of 
electronics have switches to select the voltage.

Question for any EU 1160 owners. Does your 1160 have a voltage 
selection switch and what plug adapters came with it?

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Victoria Bampton" 
<victoria_bampton@c...> wrote:
> Roger
> 
> Where are you?  I'm in the UK, and the other day I spotted that 
Dabs.com
> still had them available.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Victoria
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Roger Smith [mailto:rbsmith@t...]
>   Sent: 2 August 2001 12:26 AM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digest Number 8
> 
> 
>   I'm wanting to set up for B&W and have been told that the best 
printer in
>   this size range is the Epson 1160.  They are out of production 
and I can't
>   seem to find a referb one.  Does anyone have advise on where I 
might
> locate
>   one of these?  I use a 1200 for color but think I want to try the 
curves
>   developed by people on the list for B&W so I need a 1160 or 1280, 
I'd
> prefer
>   the 1160 if I can find one.  What a great list!  Just what I've 
been
> looking
>   for.  Thanks.
> 
>   Roger Smith
> 
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> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Question for any EU 1160 owners. Does your 1160 have a voltage
> selection switch and what plug adapters came with it?

I'm in Australia, not the EU, but this might help:

My 1160, according to the label near the power inlet, needs 220-240V at 50-60Hz
(and the Setup Guide says 'Caution: It is not possible to change the printer's
voltage. If the rated voltage and your outlet voltage do not match, contact your
dealer for assistance. Do not plug in the power cord'.)

Which does not seem very useful to our American cousins....

Cheers

Peter Marquis-Kyle

Peter,

Thanks for that bit of info. Should still be possible for use in the 
U.S. with a step tranformer. The 50-60HZ is okay and a 120V to 240V 
transformer would not be too hard to find or overly expensive.

Roger,

While possible, the overseas sourcing seems a bit complicated. If you 
don't find a refurb unit in the US, I would still think about the 
1280.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Peter Marquis-Kyle" 
<petermk@o...> wrote:
> > Question for any EU 1160 owners. Does your 1160 have a voltage
> > selection switch and what plug adapters came with it?
> 
> I'm in Australia, not the EU, but this might help:
> 
> My 1160, according to the label near the power inlet, needs 220-
240V at 50-60Hz
> (and the Setup Guide says 'Caution: It is not possible to change 
the printer's
> voltage. If the rated voltage and your outlet voltage do not match, 
contact your

> dealer for assistance. Do not plug in the power cord'.)
> 
> Which does not seem very useful to our American cousins....
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Peter Marquis-Kyle

Victoria, Roger et al,

here comes a list with  some European dealers, which sell 
Epson 1160. The price is about  $ 285 plus shipping . It includes 
16% taxes in the EU.
If you want to go to the original website it is: www.geizhals.at, 
which compares different resellers and their prices 
(searchfunction: 1160).

I´m sorry, but neither my European 1160 nor the 1270 nor the 
3000 have got switches to change voltage. All run 220-240 V at 
50-60 Hz.

Whether you should buy an 1160 or an 1280 should depend on 
the ink you want to use. If you use the Piezo/Cone inks you 
should buy an 1160, but what about the 1280 and Pauls Variable 
Hexatone set from MIS, sounds very interesting too.
Bernd


List:

Preis in DM	  $1 = 2,25DM)
634,90	Mindfactory	Epson Stylus Color 1160	03.08.2001
642,--	Magic Computer	Drucker Epson Stylus Color 1160	
30.07.2001
645,--	Mix-Computer	Drucker: Epson Stylus Color 1160 
1440x720 dpi A4, A3 9,5 (+USB)	03.08.2001
649,--	PCC	Epson Stylus Color 1160 DIN A3	03.08.2001
649,60	Compana	Hardware: Epson Stylus color 1160 , Inkjet 
Epson C295031GA	03.08.2001
657,--	PC-Kauf	Drucker/Tintenstrahldrucker: EPSON Stylus Color 
1160	03.08.2001
659,--	novodrom.com	Epson Stylus Color 1160	03.08.2001
664,99	K&M	Drucker Epson: EPSON STYLUS COLOR 1160 A3	
03.08.2001
679,--	Alternate	Epson Stylus Color 1160
(+USB) 1440x720 dpi A4, A3 9,5	03.08.2001
679,--	CSD	DRUCKER / EPSON: Epson Stylus Color 1160	
03.08.2001	ab Lager

Great idea Martin.

I couldn't find a voltage switch, but the sticker on the back says 220-240v
~ 50-60hz 0.2A, if that makes any sense to you.  :)

Victoria

  -----Original Message-----
  From: mwesley250@... [mailto:mwesley250@...]
  Sent: 2 August 2001 11:58 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digest Number 8


  Roger,

  Victoria's message made me think to check Epson's main website and
  various country sites. The 1160 appears in their product line up
  everywhere I checked except the US. So it looks like the 1160 is
  still in production but not for sale in the US. You could probably
  get a new one from Europe or Australia. Both the UK and Australia
  sites listed retail web stores.

  Did not see the 1200 anywhere but it may have a different model
  number.

  Of course you would have to pay more in shiping and some import duty.
  One other thing to watch out for would be electrical requirements.
  Most of Europe is on 250V, 50Hz rather than 125V, 60Hz but a lot of
  electronics have switches to select the voltage.

  Question for any EU 1160 owners. Does your 1160 have a voltage
  selection switch and what plug adapters came with it?

  Martin

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Victoria Bampton"
  <victoria_bampton@c...> wrote:
  > Roger
  >
  > Where are you?  I'm in the UK, and the other day I spotted that
  Dabs.com
  > still had them available.
  >
  > Hope that helps.
  >
  > Victoria
  >   -----Original Message-----
  >   From: Roger Smith [mailto:rbsmith@t...]
  >   Sent: 2 August 2001 12:26 AM
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
  >   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digest Number 8
  >
  >
  >   I'm wanting to set up for B&W and have been told that the best
  printer in
  >   this size range is the Epson 1160.  They are out of production
  and I can't
  >   seem to find a referb one.  Does anyone have advise on where I
  might
  > locate
  >   one of these?  I use a 1200 for color but think I want to try the
  curves
  >   developed by people on the list for B&W so I need a 1160 or 1280,
  I'd
  > prefer
  >   the 1160 if I can find one.  What a great list!  Just what I've
  been
  > looking
  >   for.  Thanks.
  >
  >   Roger Smith
  >
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Victoria, Bernd,

Thank you for checking. While not the easiest way to go if 1160's can 
be found in the U.S., the non-U.S. sources could become a way get a 
new 1160 as the supply dindles here. In fact here is a great 
opportunity for a "gray market" importer!

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Victoria Bampton" 
<victoria_bampton@c...> wrote:
> Great idea Martin.
> 
> I couldn't find a voltage switch, but the sticker on the back says 
220-240v
> ~ 50-60hz 0.2A, if that makes any sense to you.  :)
> 
> Victoria
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: mwesley250@e... [mailto:mwesley250@e...]
>   Sent: 2 August 2001 11:58 PM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digest Number 8
> 
> 
>   Roger,
> 
>   Victoria's message made me think to check Epson's main website and
>   various country sites. The 1160 appears in their product line up
>   everywhere I checked except the US. So it looks like the 1160 is
>   still in production but not for sale in the US. You could probably
>   get a new one from Europe or Australia. Both the UK and Australia
>   sites listed retail web stores.
> 
>   Did not see the 1200 anywhere but it may have a different model
>   number.
> 
>   Of course you would have to pay more in shiping and some import 
duty.
>   One other thing to watch out for would be electrical requirements.
>   Most of Europe is on 250V, 50Hz rather than 125V, 60Hz but a lot 
of
>   electronics have switches to select the voltage.
> 
>   Question for any EU 1160 owners. Does your 1160 have a voltage
>   selection switch and what plug adapters came with it?
> 
>   Martin
> 
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Victoria Bampton"
>   <victoria_bampton@c...> wrote:
>   > Roger
>   >
>   > Where are you?  I'm in the UK, and the other day I spotted that
>   Dabs.com
>   > still had them available.
>   >
>   > Hope that helps.
>   >
>   > Victoria
>   >   -----Original Message-----
>   >   From: Roger Smith [mailto:rbsmith@t...]
>   >   Sent: 2 August 2001 12:26 AM
>   >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
>   >   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digest Number 8
>   >
>   >
>   >   I'm wanting to set up for B&W and have been told that the best
>   printer in
>   >   this size range is the Epson 1160.  They are out of production
>   and I can't
>   >   seem to find a referb one.  Does anyone have advise on where I
>   might
>   > locate
>   >   one of these?  I use a 1200 for color but think I want to try 
the
>   curves
>   >   developed by people on the list for B&W so I need a 1160 or 
1280,
>   I'd
>   > prefer
>   >   the 1160 if I can find one.  What a great list!  Just what 
I've
>   been
>   > looking
>   >   for.  Thanks.
>   >
>   >   Roger Smith
>   >
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>  a way get a 
> new 1160 as the supply dindles here. In fact here is a great 
> opportunity for a "gray market" importer!

I fear there would be liability risks here, unless the importer wanted 
to rework the printers to work on US voltage. I also wonder if the 
printers here are just stock moving slower through the pipeline, 
rather than new printers supplied by Epson.

Tim
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