Digital BW, The Print

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From: <artcoreproductions@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:42 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 3200 scanner


> Hi Ernst,
>
> I wonder whether you received your new scanner?
> Please, let us know what are your first impressions.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Vladimir

Sorry,

I'm probably at the end of the wrong pipeline. If I order the scanner now
from another source I can have it within 3 days. Anyway I have paid for it
already elsewhere but that organisation probably stacks orders and gets a
rebate for larger quantities so their price is lower.
The price isn't worth the waiting I have to admit. If it isn't here next
week I'll cancel the order and get my money back.
Better check Norman Koren's site as there must be a European that receives
and tests it before I get it.

Ernst

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ernst Dinkla"
<E.Dinkla@c...> wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <artcoreproductions@s...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:42 AM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 3200 scanner
> 
> 
> > Hi Ernst,
> >
> > I wonder whether you received your new scanner?
> > Please, let us know what are your first impressions.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Vladimir
> 
> Sorry,
> 
> I'm probably at the end of the wrong pipeline. If I order the
scanner now
> from another source I can have it within 3 days. Anyway I have paid
for it
> already elsewhere but that organisation probably stacks orders and
gets a
> rebate for larger quantities so their price is lower.
> The price isn't worth the waiting I have to admit. If it isn't here
next
> week I'll cancel the order and get my money back.
> Better check Norman Koren's site as there must be a European that
receives
> and tests it before I get it.
> 
> Ernst




Sorry to hear that.. I hope the box will show up soon. I would still
like to hear about your own personal experience since you regularly
contribute to this group.

Best regards,

Vladimir

(Canada)

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ernst Dinkla" <E.Dinkla@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 3200 scanner


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <artcoreproductions@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:42 AM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 3200 scanner
>
>
> > Hi Ernst,
> >
> > I wonder whether you received your new scanner?
> > Please, let us know what are your first impressions.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Vladimir

There is a first report of a user at  Norman Koren' site:

http://www.normankoren.com/Tutorials/Epson_3200_Bruck.html

A friend in Amsterdam received his yesterday. "Very fast" were the first
word on the telephone.


Ernst

Many thanks, Ernst! They will start selling them in Canada in mid
March.

Vladimir

In a message dated 6/23/2003 3:19:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
orlandovl@... writes:

> Dan thanks for the info. Epson's spec doesn't mention any film holder
> for the 4x5

i am not sure what site you are looking on, but the 3200 does indeed
come with a negative holder for Medium Format

k-a-y


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There is a very comprehesive review at http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Scanners/Epson_3200/page_1.htm.   It does infact scan 4x5, a friend loaned me one and I've been scanning 4x5 T-Max with it.  So far no neuton rings and T-Max is the worst for neuton rings I've found.  I'm going to be very interested to see how the 3200 compairs with a Microtek 1800f.

David. 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DigitalLipothymy@... 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 2:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 3200 scanner


  In a message dated 6/23/2003 3:19:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
  orlandovl@... writes:

  > Dan thanks for the info. Epson's spec doesn't mention any film holder
  > for the 4x5

  i am not sure what site you are looking on, but the 3200 does indeed
  come with a negative holder for Medium Format

  k-a-y


  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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David, the link you provided doesn't work.

Vinny
http://www.wulfsden.com



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David J. Simons"
<dsimons@p...> wrote:
> There is a very comprehesive review at
http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Scanners/Epson_3200/page_1.htm.
  It does infact scan 4x5, a friend loaned me one and I've been
scanning 4x5 T-Max with it.  So far no neuton rings and T-Max is the
worst for neuton rings I've found.  I'm going to be very interested to
see how the 3200 compairs with a Microtek 1800f.
> 
> David. 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: DigitalLipothymy@a... 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 2:42 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 3200 scanner
> 
> 
>   In a message dated 6/23/2003 3:19:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>   orlandovl@h... writes:
> 
>   > Dan thanks for the info. Epson's spec doesn't mention any film
holder
>   > for the 4x5
> 
>   i am not sure what site you are looking on, but the 3200 does indeed
>   come with a negative holder for Medium Format
> 
>   k-a-y
> 
> 
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The "links" page at the Epson 2450/3200 Users Group has the link to that
review and a number of others.  It can be found at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/epson3200/


>>David, the link you provided doesn't work.<<

Try this:

http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Scanners/Epson_3200/page_1.htm

The period was picked up by the link builder.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Vincent Orlando 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 3:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 3200 scanner



  David, the link you provided doesn't work.

  Vinny
  http://www.wulfsden.com



  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David J. Simons"
  <dsimons@p...> wrote:
  > There is a very comprehesive review at
  http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Scanners/Epson_3200/page_1.htm.
    It does infact scan 4x5, a friend loaned me one and I've been
  scanning 4x5 T-Max with it.  So far no neuton rings and T-Max is the
  worst for neuton rings I've found.  I'm going to be very interested to
  see how the 3200 compairs with a Microtek 1800f.
  > 
  > David. 
  > 
  > 
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: DigitalLipothymy@a... 
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  >   Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 2:42 PM
  >   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 3200 scanner
  > 
  > 
  >   In a message dated 6/23/2003 3:19:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
  >   orlandovl@h... writes:
  > 
  >   > Dan thanks for the info. Epson's spec doesn't mention any film
  holder
  >   > for the 4x5
  > 
  >   i am not sure what site you are looking on, but the 3200 does indeed
  >   come with a negative holder for Medium Format
  > 
  >   k-a-y
  > 
  > 
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I seem to recall reading that, except for speed, the 2400 and 3200 are 
essentially the same in terms of scanning performance. Is this correct?

I can buy a new 2400 for $178. This would be a low-cost, first scanner for 
me which I would like to match up with Vuescan for scanning 4x5 negatives. 
Speed is not an issue.

Any thoughts?

David Jackson
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Check to make sure the 2400 has a light lid and holders that will do 4x5.  I
think the 2400's light lid is smaller than the 2450/3200 light lid.  From
the tests I have read, you gain somewhere in the range of 10% better
resolution with the 3200 over the 2450.  I am assuming the 2400 uses the
same optical system as the 2450, but that is just a guess.  With the 3200,
you also get improved negative holders.

Doug

Tuesday, July 8, 2003, 7:42:48 AM, David Jackson wrote:

DJ> I seem to recall reading that, except for speed, the 2400 and 3200 are 
DJ> essentially the same in terms of scanning performance. Is this correct?

DJ> I can buy a new 2400 for $178. This would be a low-cost, first scanner for 
DJ> me which I would like to match up with Vuescan for scanning 4x5 negatives. 
DJ> Speed is not an issue.

DJ> Any thoughts?


The 2400 only has a thin trannie adapter for 35mm film.  I think you
are thinking of the 2450 vs the 3200.

Best regards,
 Richard  

mailto:richard@...

L i n k s  t o  m y  g a l l e r i e s:
http://fujirangefinder.com/document.php?id=246

The 2450 is a good scanner. Almost as good as the 3200. I have owned both and it's an incremental difference, not a major one.

Russ Martin


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Are you sure you are both talking about the same scanner ?

Original question was about the Epson 2400 which is a valid model 
number and quite different from the Epson 2450.
Cheers,
Andre

Alan Zinn <AZinn@n...> wrote:
> At 10:49 AM 7/8/03 -0400, you wrote:
> >Check to make sure the 2400 has a light lid and holders that will 
do 4x5.  I
> >think the 2400's light lid is smaller than the 2450/3200 light 
lid.  From
> >the tests I have read, you gain somewhere in the range of 10% 
better
> >resolution with the 3200 over the 2450.  I am assuming the 2400 
uses the
> >same optical system as the 2450, but that is just a guess.  With 
the 3200,

> >you also get improved negative holders.
> >
> >Doug
> 
> They  are the same lid - they improved the film holders on the 3200.
> 
> Build a Lookaround!
> The Lookaround Book.
> http://www.panoramacamera.us

At 09:42 AM 7/8/03 -0500, you wrote:
>I seem to recall reading that, except for speed, the 2400 and 3200 are
>essentially the same in terms of scanning performance. Is this correct?
>
>I can buy a new 2400 for $178. This would be a low-cost, first scanner for
>me which I would like to match up with Vuescan for scanning 4x5 negatives.
>Speed is not an issue.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>David Jackson
>First Year Experience Program
>Tulane University
>
>Voice: (504) 865-5264
>Fax:    (504) 862-8455
>Email: lagniap@...
David,

The 2400 will be excellent for your 4 x 5's   You won't need the resolution 
of the 3200 scanner for 4 x 5.  They are not the same - see the reviews on 
my web page.

AZ

At 10:49 AM 7/8/03 -0400, you wrote:
>Check to make sure the 2400 has a light lid and holders that will do 4x5.  I
>think the 2400's light lid is smaller than the 2450/3200 light lid.  From
>the tests I have read, you gain somewhere in the range of 10% better
>resolution with the 3200 over the 2450.  I am assuming the 2400 uses the
>same optical system as the 2450, but that is just a guess.  With the 3200,
>you also get improved negative holders.
>
>Doug

They  are the same lid - they improved the film holders on the 3200.

Build a Lookaround!
The Lookaround Book.
http://www.panoramacamera.us

Thanks to everyone (Doug, Alan, Richard, Russ, and Andre) who took time to 
reply to my original question.

I'm going to have to double-check to be sure about the 2400 vs 2450 model. 
I'm pretty sure that it was the 2400 for $178, but,actually, when I wrote 
my question to the group, I was mistakenly THINKING of the 2450.

I can afford the additional $ to get the 3200 over the 2400 and probably 
will go that route.

NEW QUESTION:   The 3200 seems a little long in the tooth. Does anyone have 
any info or rumors about an update or new model from Epson before I put 
down my hard-earned cash?

I've read some comment that, with so many people going to digital cameras, 
there is no longer the drive to develop improved consumer-grade scanners 
for the market and that the roll-out of new models was expected to slow.

Many thanks for your time and assistance.

David Jackson


At 06:31 PM 7/8/03 +0000, sceptre12345 wrote:
>Are you sure you are both talking about the same scanner ?
>
>Original question was about the Epson 2400 which is a valid model
>number and quite different from the Epson 2450.
>Cheers,
>Andre
>
>Alan Zinn <AZinn@n...> wrote:
> > At 10:49 AM 7/8/03 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Check to make sure the 2400 has a light lid and holders that will
>do 4x5.  I
> > >think the 2400's light lid is smaller than the 2450/3200 light
>lid.  From
> > >the tests I have read, you gain somewhere in the range of 10%
>better
> > >resolution with the 3200 over the 2450.  I am assuming the 2400
>uses the
> > >same optical system as the 2450, but that is just a guess.  With
>the 3200,
> > >you also get improved negative holders.
> > >
> > >Doug
> >
> > They  are the same lid - they improved the film holders on the 3200.
> >
> > Build a Lookaround!
> > The Lookaround Book.
> > http://www.panoramacamera.us

David Jackson
First Year Experience Program
Tulane University

Voice: (504) 865-5264
Fax:    (504) 862-8455
Email: lagniap@...

At 08:46 AM 7/9/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Thanks to everyone (Doug, Alan, Richard, Russ, and Andre) who took time to
>reply to my original question.
>
>I'm going to have to double-check to be sure about the 2400 vs 2450 model.
>I'm pretty sure that it was the 2400 for $178, but,actually, when I wrote
>my question to the group, I was mistakenly THINKING of the 2450.
>
>I can afford the additional $ to get the 3200 over the 2400 and probably
>will go that route.
>
>NEW QUESTION:   The 3200 seems a little long in the tooth. Does anyone have
>any info or rumors about an update or new model from Epson before I put
>down my hard-earned cash?
>David,



>Long in the tooth!  It came out last Winter. I  hope they don't come out 
>with another so soon - I paid $400 for my 2450 and sold it a year later 
>for $125 so I could get a 3200.  I find it just perfect for my needs.  I 
>have a larger Umax Powerlook III with an 8 x 10 transparency lid that cost 
>$1200 five years ago. It's worth almost nothing today.  Umax hasen't shown 
>much in the way of newer and better and cheaper like Epson. I think, as 
>you say, the market is anticipating a huge switch away from consumer/pro film.


AZ



Build a Lookaround!
The Lookaround Book.
http://www.panoramacamera.us