Digital BW, The Print

Andy,

>... Will the MIS-VM 4.3 be usable with printers other than the 7500?

Yes, I balanced it on my 1160 using the standard curves.

>I find the cool curves useful, especially with Eclipse Satine
>Soft White and have even increased the toner on occasion.

The new inkset is a bit warmer than the old one.  The "nc" curve, for
example, is dead neutral as opposed to slightly cool on EEM with the old vm.
However, there is plenty of coldness still in the toner.

>...if one converts from the original MIS-VM to the new one
>with a CIS system is it advisable to do a purge or some other method
>of clearing the old inks out?

Yes, purge the old inks.  I would not mix the inksets.  The toner is also
new and matched to the grays.  If you mix the inksets you might get some
weird results.  While I don't think there is a clogging problem, I think CIS
heads ought to be replaced every year or so anyway.  I'm not sure how long
that sponge material lasts.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Hi Paul -

>>Yes, I balanced it on my 1160 using the standard curves.<<

With which papers will the combination of your curves and new ink work?  As
a user of your current VM inkset, I really want to try printing on something
else besides EAM/EEM.  The ability to print on semigloss surfaces via the
new inkset really appeals to me but won't individual profiles need to be
made for papers other than the current EEM/Eclipse Satin?

Thanks,
Doug

Doug,

>>>I balanced [UC VM 4.3} on my 1160 using the standard curves.<<

>With which papers will the combination of your curves and new ink work?

All the usual papers plus RC papers -- if you use a black ink that is
compatible, like MIS 7600 Photo Black, UltraChrome Photo Black, or Epson
Archival Black.

>  ...I really want to try printing on something else besides EAM/EEM.  >The
ability to print on semigloss surfaces via the
>new inkset really appeals to me but won't individual
>profiles need to be made for papers other than the current
>EEM/Eclipse Satin?

I tested the inks and curves on Epson Premium Luster, Ilford Smooth Pearl,
and (cheap/readily available at Costco) Epson Photo Paper.  For the most
part they print OK with the existing curves.  The warm curve is the only one
that seems to be off enough to be a problem.

I'm sure detailed profiles would help with any paper (and printer), but the
existing curves make fine prints and a good starting point for those who
want to tweak the system to optimize it for any particular RC paper.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Paul, will the MIS-VM 4.3 work with the 1200 and the 1200 curves. I 
probably have one of the few 1200s that print beautifully, no banding 
and no clogging using the VM set and your curves.

Vinny
http://www.wulfsden.com


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Andy,
> 
> >... Will the MIS-VM 4.3 be usable with printers other than the 
7500?
> 
> Yes, I balanced it on my 1160 using the standard curves.
> 
> >I find the cool curves useful, especially with Eclipse Satine
> >Soft White and have even increased the toner on occasion.
> 
> The new inkset is a bit warmer than the old one.  The "nc" curve, 
for
> example, is dead neutral as opposed to slightly cool on EEM with 
the old vm.
> However, there is plenty of coldness still in the toner.
> 
> >...if one converts from the original MIS-VM to the new one
> >with a CIS system is it advisable to do a purge or some other 
method
> >of clearing the old inks out?
> 
> Yes, purge the old inks.  I would not mix the inksets.  The toner 
is also
> new and matched to the grays.  If you mix the inksets you might get 
some
> weird results.  While I don't think there is a clogging problem, I 
think CIS
> heads ought to be replaced every year or so anyway.  I'm not sure 
how long

> that sponge material lasts.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

OK Paul..
I'm probably pushing the envelope here, but how about a UC VMS 4.3XXX
"SEPIA" version that will work with my 1160??..
THX as always!!

Eddie Wiseman

----- Original Message -----
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To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:17 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] ital BW] Re: UC VM 4.3 (was Epson 7500 what inks
should I use?)


>
> Paul, will the MIS-VM 4.3 work with the 1200 and the 1200 curves. I
> probably have one of the few 1200s that print beautifully, no banding
> and no clogging using the VM set and your curves.
>
> Vinny
> http://www.wulfsden.com
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > Andy,
> >
> > >... Will the MIS-VM 4.3 be usable with printers other than the
> 7500?
> >
> > Yes, I balanced it on my 1160 using the standard curves.
> >
> > >I find the cool curves useful, especially with Eclipse Satine
> > >Soft White and have even increased the toner on occasion.
> >
> > The new inkset is a bit warmer than the old one.  The "nc" curve,
> for
> > example, is dead neutral as opposed to slightly cool on EEM with
> the old vm.
> > However, there is plenty of coldness still in the toner.
> >
> > >...if one converts from the original MIS-VM to the new one
> > >with a CIS system is it advisable to do a purge or some other
> method
> > >of clearing the old inks out?
> >
> > Yes, purge the old inks.  I would not mix the inksets.  The toner
> is also
> > new and matched to the grays.  If you mix the inksets you might get
> some
> > weird results.  While I don't think there is a clogging problem, I
> think CIS
> > heads ought to be replaced every year or so anyway.  I'm not sure
> how long
> > that sponge material lasts.
> >
> > Paul
> > http://www.PaulRoark.com
>
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Vinny wrote:

> will the MIS-VM 4.3 work with the 1200 and the 1200 curves. ...

It should print very much like the old MIS VM.

I think these new 100% pigment inks may be a little less forgiving of
printer defects than the older inks.  With the 7500, which I've heard is
close to just being a large 1200, I can induce banding with curves that are
written in "wrong"  (meaning that it is not as tolerant of some of the
manipulations I'd otherwise use).  Hopefully the 1200 curves and average
1200 will be fine.

Eddie, you wrote:

>I'm probably pushing the envelope here, but how about a
>UC VMS 4.3XXX "SEPIA" version that will work with my 1160??..

It might be in the cards later.  The new Vm has a much warmer warm end.
It's not as dark as the vm-s could go, but I'm going to live with it for a
while to see if the one inkset can do it all.  I'm sure, however, that some
will want a full-on sepia.

I'll have to search for a good base gray ink.  The light black MIS UC clone
ink used in the UC VM 4.3 is warmer than I'd like for a starting point for a
vm-s inkset.  The vm-s gray needs to be slightly cool.  I don't like to add
any more pigment than necessary to get to that point.  A very warm starting
point means the use of too much color pigment.  I have a couple of more
neutral candidates for a starting point, but have not had the time to test
them.

Now, as a monochrome sepia, the UC light black is so warm it would make a
perfect starting point -- and that is what I might do.  In fact, I might mix
a gray that is sepia and see if the blue toner can pull it all the way to
neutral without unacceptable dots showing.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com