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740 with MIS FS Quad Inks

2003-02-27 by amh0159 <ahyde@bigpond.net.au>

I've just taken my first step into B&W printing after absorbing much 
of the info in this newsgroup. Thanks everyone. I'm using Jeff 
Randalls workflow with the curves for the 740 provided in the file 
library. I'm using EAM paper. The only step in the workflow i can't 
replicate is the selection of "Matt Paper - Heavyweight" - it is 
simply not an option in my printer driver (XP). I choose "Photo 
Quality Ink Jet Paper". Is this limiting my results? If so how do I 
change my driver to get this paper option?

Thanks

RE: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks

2003-02-27 by Seth Rossman

I am guessing, but sounds as though you used the XP driver for 740 instead
of installing the Epson driver before the printer.  That so??

IF you did, delete the printer, download the latest driver, USB driver and
monitor from Epson.  Follow their installation instructions.

BTW-- if you feel comfortable doing so, delete all 740 references using
REGEDIT.

Seth

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=Subject: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks
=
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=I've just taken my first step into B&W printing after absorbing much 
=of the info in this newsgroup. Thanks everyone. I'm using Jeff 
=Randalls workflow with the curves for the 740 provided in the file 
=library. I'm using EAM paper. The only step in the workflow i can't 
=replicate is the selection of "Matt Paper - Heavyweight" - it is 
=simply not an option in my printer driver (XP). I choose "Photo 
=Quality Ink Jet Paper". Is this limiting my results? If so how do I 
=change my driver to get this paper option?
=
=Thanks
=
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Re: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks

2003-02-27 by Jerry Olson

Hi,

Why not try the same print at all media settings and see which you prefer?
they will all give you a slightly different print. For Me, it's the
Heavyweight Matte Paper setting, but I'm on a mac. The backlight film option
gives me the deepest blacks, but at the expense of posterization in the
shadows for some images.

Jerry
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> I've just taken my first step into B&W printing after absorbing much
> of the info in this newsgroup. Thanks everyone. I'm using Jeff
> Randalls workflow with the curves for the 740 provided in the file
> library. I'm using EAM paper. The only step in the workflow i can't
> replicate is the selection of "Matt Paper - Heavyweight" - it is
> simply not an option in my printer driver (XP). I choose "Photo
> Quality Ink Jet Paper". Is this limiting my results? If so how do I
> change my driver to get this paper option?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks

2003-02-27 by John/Julie Gittins

David Schecter adapted the Randall curve for the 740 last October (see msg 21196) 
-- it's posted under Files > Ink Sets > MIS > MIS FS (at least it was there when I last 
looked). This version, which uses "Photo Quality Glossy Film" as the media option, 
provides prints with a tonal character that's essentially the same as what the 1160 
produces -- the only real difference I've seen between prints from these two printers is 
that the ones from the 740 don't have the 1160's fine higher-tone smoothness (probably 
because of the 740's larger dots)-- but I found that this was only  occasionally an issue.  
"Photo Quality Glossy Ink" lays down a little less ink than "Photo Quality Ink Jet".

John Gittins
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: amh0159 <ahyde@...> 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:21 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks


  I've just taken my first step into B&W printing after absorbing much 
  of the info in this newsgroup. Thanks everyone. I'm using Jeff 
  Randalls workflow with the curves for the 740 provided in the file 
  library. I'm using EAM paper. The only step in the workflow i can't 
  replicate is the selection of "Matt Paper - Heavyweight" - it is 
  simply not an option in my printer driver (XP). I choose "Photo 
  Quality Ink Jet Paper". Is this limiting my results? If so how do I 
  change my driver to get this paper option?

  Thanks


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RE: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks

2003-02-28 by Alan

Yes...i was using XP driver. Have now changed but I still don't get the
option to use Matt Heavyweight Paper? However my prints have improved
with this driver and using the "Photo Paper" paper selection. Thanks
Seth.
 
Alan
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From: Seth Rossman [mailto:seth@...] 
Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 12:18 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks


I am guessing, but sounds as though you used the XP driver for 740
instead
of installing the Epson driver before the printer.  That so??

IF you did, delete the printer, download the latest driver, USB driver
and
monitor from Epson.  Follow their installation instructions.

BTW-- if you feel comfortable doing so, delete all 740 references using
REGEDIT.

Seth

=-----Original Message-----
=From: amh0159 <ahyde@...> [mailto:ahyde@...] 
=Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:22 AM
=To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
=Subject: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks
=
=
=I've just taken my first step into B&W printing after absorbing much 
=of the info in this newsgroup. Thanks everyone. I'm using Jeff 
=Randalls workflow with the curves for the 740 provided in the file 
=library. I'm using EAM paper. The only step in the workflow i can't 
=replicate is the selection of "Matt Paper - Heavyweight" - it is 
=simply not an option in my printer driver (XP). I choose "Photo 
=Quality Ink Jet Paper". Is this limiting my results? If so how do I 
=change my driver to get this paper option?
=
=Thanks
=
=
=Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
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RE: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks

2003-02-28 by Alan

John...i dl David Schecter's curve and i'm using "Phot Quality Glossy
Film" as advised. However my results are disappointing - images are
quite flat and lack the contrast and "sparkle" I was getting with black
only printing. Have you found you needed to make any further adjustments
to Randalls workflow or the curves? Any suggestions?
 
Thanks
 
Alan
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From: John/Julie Gittins [mailto:jgittins2@...] 
Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 4:19 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks


David Schecter adapted the Randall curve for the 740 last October (see
msg 21196) 
-- it's posted under Files > Ink Sets > MIS > MIS FS (at least it was
there when I last 
looked). This version, which uses "Photo Quality Glossy Film" as the
media option, 
provides prints with a tonal character that's essentially the same as
what the 1160 
produces -- the only real difference I've seen between prints from these
two printers is 
that the ones from the 740 don't have the 1160's fine higher-tone
smoothness (probably 
because of the 740's larger dots)-- but I found that this was only
occasionally an issue.  
"Photo Quality Glossy Ink" lays down a little less ink than "Photo
Quality Ink Jet".

John Gittins
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: amh0159 <ahyde@...> 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:21 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks


  I've just taken my first step into B&W printing after absorbing much 
  of the info in this newsgroup. Thanks everyone. I'm using Jeff 
  Randalls workflow with the curves for the 740 provided in the file 
  library. I'm using EAM paper. The only step in the workflow i can't 
  replicate is the selection of "Matt Paper - Heavyweight" - it is 
  simply not an option in my printer driver (XP). I choose "Photo 
  Quality Ink Jet Paper". Is this limiting my results? If so how do I 
  change my driver to get this paper option?

  Thanks


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RE: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks

2003-02-28 by Alan

Thanks Jerry...i'll certainly keep experimenting. Alan
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From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...] 
Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 4:04 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks


Hi,

Why not try the same print at all media settings and see which you
prefer?
they will all give you a slightly different print. For Me, it's the
Heavyweight Matte Paper setting, but I'm on a mac. The backlight film
option
gives me the deepest blacks, but at the expense of posterization in the
shadows for some images.

Jerry

> I've just taken my first step into B&W printing after absorbing much
> of the info in this newsgroup. Thanks everyone. I'm using Jeff
> Randalls workflow with the curves for the 740 provided in the file
> library. I'm using EAM paper. The only step in the workflow i can't
> replicate is the selection of "Matt Paper - Heavyweight" - it is
> simply not an option in my printer driver (XP). I choose "Photo
> Quality Ink Jet Paper". Is this limiting my results? If so how do I
> change my driver to get this paper option?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls
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RE: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks

2003-02-28 by Seth Rossman

Alan-

Try different settings.  If I recall correctly, Glossy Film puts less ink
down so it dry, etc., better. Just try different paper settings without
adjusting the curve.

Seth

=From: Alan [mailto:ahyde@...] 
=John...i dl David Schecter's curve and i'm using "Phot Quality 
=Glossy Film" as advised. However my results are disappointing 
=- images are quite flat and lack the contrast and "sparkle" I 
=was getting with black only printing. Have you found you 
=needed to make any further adjustments to Randalls workflow or 
=the curves? Any suggestions?
=

Re: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks

2003-02-28 by meshugena313 <meshugena313@yahoo.com>

I actually haven't used my 740 with FS Inks in a while since I was 
have quite a bit of trouble with air in the nozzles.  However, I've 
had very nice contrasty prints with the curves I made for the 740, 
using the procedure as described.  I do have to say that the curves 
only deal with the "translation" to the grayscale, so if the initial 
image does not have reasonable contrast, the the printout after the 
curve will not either.  One method that i've used frequently is a 
relatively unknown method of increasing local contrast: apply an 
unsharp mask with an "amount" of 10-20% and a radius of 40-70.  It's 
typically quite a dramatic improvement in local edge contrast 
without any visible artifacts.

Also make sure you are in AdobeRGB colorspace; the space definitely 
makes a difference with the curves.

Finally, if you want a demonstration of the effectiveness of the 
curves, download a step-wedge, apply the curve, and print it out.  
If you don't see distinct transitions and real white and full black, 
then something is wrong in the procedure.

David Shechter


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" 
<ahyde@b...> wrote:
> John...i dl David Schecter's curve and i'm using "Phot Quality 
Glossy
> Film" as advised. However my results are disappointing - images are
> quite flat and lack the contrast and "sparkle" I was getting with 
black
> only printing. Have you found you needed to make any further 
adjustments
> to Randalls workflow or the curves? Any suggestions?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Alan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John/Julie Gittins [mailto:jgittins2@m...] 
> Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 4:19 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks
> 
> 
> David Schecter adapted the Randall curve for the 740 last October 
(see
> msg 21196) 
> -- it's posted under Files > Ink Sets > MIS > MIS FS (at least it 
was
> there when I last 
> looked). This version, which uses "Photo Quality Glossy Film" as 
the
> media option, 
> provides prints with a tonal character that's essentially the same 
as
> what the 1160 
> produces -- the only real difference I've seen between prints from 
these
> two printers is 
> that the ones from the 740 don't have the 1160's fine higher-tone
> smoothness (probably 
> because of the 740's larger dots)-- but I found that this was only
> occasionally an issue.  
> "Photo Quality Glossy Ink" lays down a little less ink than "Photo
> Quality Ink Jet".
> 
> John Gittins
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: amh0159 <ahyde@b...> 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:21 AM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks
> 
> 
>   I've just taken my first step into B&W printing after absorbing 
much 
>   of the info in this newsgroup. Thanks everyone. I'm using Jeff 
>   Randalls workflow with the curves for the 740 provided in the 
file 
>   library. I'm using EAM paper. The only step in the workflow i 
can't 
>   replicate is the selection of "Matt Paper - Heavyweight" - it is 
>   simply not an option in my printer driver (XP). I choose "Photo 
>   Quality Ink Jet Paper". Is this limiting my results? If so how 
do I 
>   change my driver to get this paper option?
> 
>   Thanks
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks

2003-02-28 by John/Julie Gittins

Alan,
My results were fine without mods to the workflow or the curves, and with 
"PQGF" as the "media". Other than experimenting with other 'media' choices 
(=profiles -- the amount of ink used generally decreases going from top to 
bottom on the media list) as Jerry and Seth offered, the other things 
I'd suggest verifying are: (1) that the "printer control management" box 
on the "PRINT" panel is unchecked (having it checked gives a flat, 
posterized result), (2) that "No Color Adjustment" is selected on the 
Advanced > Color Mgmt panel, and (3) that a Nozzle Check shows the 
3 gray inks are in the right carts -- the first time I tried Randall's method 
in a 740, the new FS cart I put in was bad, had the inks in the wrong 
positions, and so the tones on the print were weird.
Let me know if things still aren't right after you try the above. If they're 
not, I'll fire up my 740 and review more closely.
Regards,
John      
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alan 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:02 AM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks


  John...i dl David Schecter's curve and i'm using "Phot Quality Glossy
  Film" as advised. However my results are disappointing - images are
  quite flat and lack the contrast and "sparkle" I was getting with black
  only printing. Have you found you needed to make any further adjustments
  to Randalls workflow or the curves? Any suggestions?

  Thanks

  Alan

  -----Original Message-----
  From: John/Julie Gittins [mailto:jgittins2@...] 
  Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 4:19 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks


  David Schecter adapted the Randall curve for the 740 last October (see
  msg 21196) 
  -- it's posted under Files > Ink Sets > MIS > MIS FS (at least it was
  there when I last 
  looked). This version, which uses "Photo Quality Glossy Film" as the
  media option, 
  provides prints with a tonal character that's essentially the same as
  what the 1160 
  produces -- the only real difference I've seen between prints from these
  two printers is 
  that the ones from the 740 don't have the 1160's fine higher-tone
  smoothness (probably 
  because of the 740's larger dots)-- but I found that this was only
  occasionally an issue.  
  "Photo Quality Glossy Ink" lays down a little less ink than "Photo
  Quality Ink Jet".

  John Gittins
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: amh0159 <ahyde@...> 
    To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:21 AM
    Subject: [Digital BW] 740 with MIS FS Quad Inks


    I've just taken my first step into B&W printing after absorbing much 
    of the info in this newsgroup. Thanks everyone. I'm using Jeff 
    Randalls workflow with the curves for the 740 provided in the file 
    library. I'm using EAM paper. The only step in the workflow i can't 
    replicate is the selection of "Matt Paper - Heavyweight" - it is 
    simply not an option in my printer driver (XP). I choose "Photo 
    Quality Ink Jet Paper". Is this limiting my results? If so how do I 
    change my driver to get this paper option?

    Thanks


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