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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Gray Balancer Conflicts

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Gray Balancer Conflicts

2003-03-03 by Truman Prevatt

That just might fix it. When I was fighting with XP over the wireless 
network adaptor, it connected to the computer via USB.  In theory any 
USB device that has been installed can be connected to any USB port on 
the computer - independent on which one it on when the drivers were 
installed. That's the way it works on ME, on 98SE on 2000. But when I 
went to plug in the linksys adaptor onto a different USB port it could 
find the drivers and wanted to install again. It will only work on the 
port it was installed on.

I think there are some significant issues with XP and it's USB support. 
If you printers on a hub they are on the same USB port going into the 
computer and if my experience is any indication the computer is getting 
cofused.

Truman

disch7634 wrote:

>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Nelson 
><peter@s...>" <peter@s...> wrote:
>  
>
>>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "disch7634
>>
>>    
>>
>>>It was the 
>>>785 and the Gray Balancer software. My theory is that the gray 
>>>balancer is trying to control the 785 in the same way it controls 
>>>      
>>>
>>the 
>>    
>>
>>>2200. What I don't know is if it is a combination of the 785, 
>>>      
>>>
>Gray 
>  
>
>>>Balancer and XP. I would have to try a different operating system 
>>>      
>>>
>>to 
>>    
>>
>>>find that out. The fact that you say that you run Win2k without 
>>>problems would make me think that XP has some hand in the problem 
>>>      
>>>
>>as 
>>    
>>
>>>well.
>>>      
>>>
>>That's why I was wondering what resource it was competing over.
>>It may not be the printer itself, but something like the 
>>parallel port -vs- the USB port.   How are your printers
>>connected to the PC?
>>    
>>
>
>I was thinking about the parallel port thing after you brought it up. 
>I have both of my printers connected to the USB hub. Maybe if I would 
>hook one of them up through the parallel port it might solve the 
>problem. I'm going to try that tonight.
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Gray Balancer Conflicts

2003-03-03 by Diane Fields

The Epson printers do not do well on a USB hub--put them on separate USB ports.  Before I put installed XP and added 2 more USB ports, I installed my 1280 on parallel and the 2200 on USB and had no problems whatsoever.  

Diane
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Truman Prevatt 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Gray Balancer Conflicts


  That just might fix it. When I was fighting with XP over the wireless 
  network adaptor, it connected to the computer via USB.  In theory any 
  USB device that has been installed can be connected to any USB port on 
  the computer - independent on which one it on when the drivers were 
  installed. That's the way it works on ME, on 98SE on 2000. But when I 
  went to plug in the linksys adaptor onto a different USB port it could 
  find the drivers and wanted to install again. It will only work on the 
  port it was installed on.

  I think there are some significant issues with XP and it's USB support. 
  If you printers on a hub they are on the same USB port going into the 
  computer and if my experience is any indication the computer is getting 
  cofused.

  Truman

  disch7634 wrote:

  >--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Nelson 
  ><peter@s...>" <peter@s...> wrote:
  >  
  >
  >>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "disch7634
  >>
  >>    
  >>
  >>>It was the 
  >>>785 and the Gray Balancer software. My theory is that the gray 
  >>>balancer is trying to control the 785 in the same way it controls 
  >>>      
  >>>
  >>the 
  >>    
  >>
  >>>2200. What I don't know is if it is a combination of the 785, 
  >>>      
  >>>
  >Gray 
  >  
  >
  >>>Balancer and XP. I would have to try a different operating system 
  >>>      
  >>>
  >>to 
  >>    
  >>
  >>>find that out. The fact that you say that you run Win2k without 
  >>>problems would make me think that XP has some hand in the problem 
  >>>      
  >>>
  >>as 
  >>    
  >>
  >>>well.
  >>>      
  >>>
  >>That's why I was wondering what resource it was competing over.
  >>It may not be the printer itself, but something like the 
  >>parallel port -vs- the USB port.   How are your printers
  >>connected to the PC?
  >>    
  >>
  >
  >I was thinking about the parallel port thing after you brought it up. 
  >I have both of my printers connected to the USB hub. Maybe if I would 
  >hook one of them up through the parallel port it might solve the 
  >problem. I'm going to try that tonight.
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Gray Balancer Conflicts

2003-03-03 by Truman Prevatt

Given my experience with the network adaptor and XP I suspect it is XP 
rather than the Epson. On my old box (ME ) I had a scanner, my 1280 and 
my network adaptor and a cheap Cannon printer all sitting on a hub going 
into a USB port. It worked fine.

The problem I had with the network adaptor had to do with XP seeming to 
want to assign a specific USB port to a specific piece of hardware.

Truman

Diane Fields wrote:
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>The Epson printers do not do well on a USB hub--put them on separate USB ports.  Before I put installed XP and added 2 more USB ports, I installed my 1280 on parallel and the 2200 on USB and had no problems whatsoever.  
>
>Diane
> 
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Gray Balancer Conflicts

2003-03-03 by Diane Fields

Truman, I had my 2200 on ME before XP.  There have been many posts on other forums about the fact that Epsons often have trouble connected to hubs.  I honestly never tried it--but just installed to a separate USB port and put the 1280 on the parallel.  I have not had any problems installing them on XP though--both are on separate USB ports.

Diane
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Truman Prevatt 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Gray Balancer Conflicts


  Given my experience with the network adaptor and XP I suspect it is XP 
  rather than the Epson. On my old box (ME ) I had a scanner, my 1280 and 
  my network adaptor and a cheap Cannon printer all sitting on a hub going 
  into a USB port. It worked fine.

  The problem I had with the network adaptor had to do with XP seeming to 
  want to assign a specific USB port to a specific piece of hardware.

  Truman

  Diane Fields wrote:

  >The Epson printers do not do well on a USB hub--put them on separate USB ports.  Before I put installed XP and added 2 more USB ports, I installed my 1280 on parallel and the 2200 on USB and had no problems whatsoever.  
  >
  >Diane
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Gray Balancer Conflicts

2003-03-03 by Truman Prevatt

On the earlier UBS controllers there were issues with the specs on the 
signal levels. A couple years ago I got a cheap scanner (Umax I think 
but anyway it was not a Epson)  for copying documents. It was actually 
free when I bought my Dell.  The scanner could not set on a USB hub. In 
fact it was flakey directly on a USB port on my Dell. Even on the port 
on the Dell it wouldn't work half the time.  It turns out that after a 
lot of talking with technical support at both Dell and Umax it was an 
issue that the power levels were not sufficent from the scanner for it 
to operate correctly. The solution was a powered USB hub to bost the 
levels and it worked fine from then on.

I suspect this may be the issue with Epson printers and it really has 
more to do with the chip set they are using to support the USB. In the 
early day of USB there were so specification issues and some things 
didn't always work right. Unless Epson implemented the USB protocol very 
worng - I suspect they use someone elses chip set to connect to the USB 
-  it is up to the computer to sort of who is who is on a USB port. In 
fact many of the cards you buy have multiple ports on a single 
controller. That's not all that different than a hub.





Diane Fields wrote:
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>Truman, I had my 2200 on ME before XP.  There have been many posts on other forums about the fact that Epsons often have trouble connected to hubs.  I honestly never tried it--but just installed to a separate USB port and put the 1280 on the parallel.  I have not had any problems installing them on XP though--both are on separate USB ports.
>
>Diane
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Truman Prevatt 
>  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>  Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:37 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Gray Balancer Conflicts
>
>
>  Given my experience with the network adaptor and XP I suspect it is XP 
>  rather than the Epson. On my old box (ME ) I had a scanner, my 1280 and 
>  my network adaptor and a cheap Cannon printer all sitting on a hub going 
>  into a USB port. It worked fine.
>
>  The problem I had with the network adaptor had to do with XP seeming to 
>  want to assign a specific USB port to a specific piece of hardware.
>
>  Truman
>
>  Diane Fields wrote:
>
>  >The Epson printers do not do well on a USB hub--put them on separate USB ports.  Before I put installed XP and added 2 more USB ports, I installed my 1280 on parallel and the 2200 on USB and had no problems whatsoever.  
>  >
>  >Diane
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Gray Balancer Conflicts

2003-03-03 by Diane Fields

I just checked my 1280 installation paper--it says to install to a first tier USB port--if that makes any difference--I have no idea, hardware is not my forte (I can deal with any software LOL).

I have mine installed and just switch from 2200 to 1280 without any problems whatsoever.  I just got my computer back from an upgrade and clean install of XP this past week.  I installed the 2200 first--no problem.  I installed the 1280--and XP did attempt to install a driver, but I closed it,  used the downloaded XP/2000 driver from the Epson site and it installed perfectly.  I use the 2 printers without any problem at all.  Have you checked for the latest drivers?    I also have 2 printers installed to my laptop which only has XP home edition on it--and can also switch from printer to printer--altho' I only have one hooked up at a time.

Diane
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Truman Prevatt 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Gray Balancer Conflicts


  On the earlier UBS controllers there were issues with the specs on the 
  signal levels. A couple years ago I got a cheap scanner (Umax I think 
  but anyway it was not a Epson)  for copying documents. It was actually 
  free when I bought my Dell.  The scanner could not set on a USB hub. In 
  fact it was flakey directly on a USB port on my Dell. Even on the port 
  on the Dell it wouldn't work half the time.  It turns out that after a 
  lot of talking with technical support at both Dell and Umax it was an 
  issue that the power levels were not sufficent from the scanner for it 
  to operate correctly. The solution was a powered USB hub to bost the 
  levels and it worked fine from then on.

  I suspect this may be the issue with Epson printers and it really has 
  more to do with the chip set they are using to support the USB. In the 
  early day of USB there were so specification issues and some things 
  didn't always work right. Unless Epson implemented the USB protocol very 
  worng - I suspect they use someone elses chip set to connect to the USB 
  -  it is up to the computer to sort of who is who is on a USB port. In 
  fact many of the cards you buy have multiple ports on a single 
  controller. That's not all that different than a hub.





  Diane Fields wrote:

  >Truman, I had my 2200 on ME before XP.  There have been many posts on other forums about the fact that Epsons often have trouble connected to hubs.  I honestly never tried it--but just installed to a separate USB port and put the 1280 on the parallel.  I have not had any problems installing them on XP though--both are on separate USB ports.
  >
  >Diane
  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  From: Truman Prevatt 
  >  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  >  Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:37 PM
  >  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Gray Balancer Conflicts
  >
  >
  >  Given my experience with the network adaptor and XP I suspect it is XP 
  >  rather than the Epson. On my old box (ME ) I had a scanner, my 1280 and 
  >  my network adaptor and a cheap Cannon printer all sitting on a hub going 
  >  into a USB port. It worked fine.
  >
  >  The problem I had with the network adaptor had to do with XP seeming to 
  >  want to assign a specific USB port to a specific piece of hardware.
  >
  >  Truman
  >
  >  Diane Fields wrote:
  >
  >  >The Epson printers do not do well on a USB hub--put them on separate USB ports.  Before I put installed XP and added 2 more USB ports, I installed my 1280 on parallel and the 2200 on USB and had no problems whatsoever.  
  >  >
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[Digital BW] Re: Gray Balancer Conflicts

2003-03-03 by disch7634 <disch7634@yahoo.com>

Both of the printers are connected directly to USB ports on the 
computer, I probably shouldn't have used the term "hub" although I 
think that the computer only has one controller for the USB ports and 
that's really the same as a hub anyway. I think connecting one 
printer to the parallel port will solve the problem.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Truman Prevatt 
<tprevatt@m...> wrote:
> On the earlier UBS controllers there were issues with the specs on 
the 
> signal levels. A couple years ago I got a cheap scanner (Umax I 
think 
> but anyway it was not a Epson)  for copying documents. It was 
actually 
> free when I bought my Dell.  The scanner could not set on a USB 
hub. In 
> fact it was flakey directly on a USB port on my Dell. Even on the 
port 
> on the Dell it wouldn't work half the time.  It turns out that 
after a 
> lot of talking with technical support at both Dell and Umax it was 
an 
> issue that the power levels were not sufficent from the scanner for 
it 
> to operate correctly. The solution was a powered USB hub to bost 
the 
> levels and it worked fine from then on.
> 
> I suspect this may be the issue with Epson printers and it really 
has 
> more to do with the chip set they are using to support the USB. In 
the 
> early day of USB there were so specification issues and some things 
> didn't always work right. Unless Epson implemented the USB protocol 
very 
> worng - I suspect they use someone elses chip set to connect to the 
USB 
> -  it is up to the computer to sort of who is who is on a USB port. 
In 
> fact many of the cards you buy have multiple ports on a single 
> controller. That's not all that different than a hub.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Diane Fields wrote:
> 
> >Truman, I had my 2200 on ME before XP.  There have been many posts 
on other forums about the fact that Epsons often have trouble 
connected to hubs.  I honestly never tried it--but just installed to 
a separate USB port and put the 1280 on the parallel.  I have not had 
any problems installing them on XP though--both are on separate USB 
ports.
> >
> >Diane
> >  ----- Original Message ----- 
> >  From: Truman Prevatt 
> >  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> >  Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:37 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Gray Balancer Conflicts
> >
> >
> >  Given my experience with the network adaptor and XP I suspect it 
is XP 
> >  rather than the Epson. On my old box (ME ) I had a scanner, my 
1280 and 
> >  my network adaptor and a cheap Cannon printer all sitting on a 
hub going 
> >  into a USB port. It worked fine.
> >
> >  The problem I had with the network adaptor had to do with XP 
seeming to 
> >  want to assign a specific USB port to a specific piece of 
hardware.
> >
> >  Truman
> >
> >  Diane Fields wrote:
> >
> >  >The Epson printers do not do well on a USB hub--put them on 
separate USB ports.  Before I put installed XP and added 2 more USB 
ports, I installed my 1280 on parallel and the 2200 on USB and had no 
problems whatsoever.  
> >  >
> >  >Diane
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