Digital BW, The Print

From: "Antonis Ricos" <antonisphoto@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 6:55 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 7600 ???


> Doug,
>
> part of the problem with the 7600 is that it is limited to the
chipped carts with
> OEM inks. Users of the 7/9000 series are able to put in inks of
their choice.
> The other limitation is that unlike the 2200, IJC/OPM doesn't
support it and
> therefore it is difficult to have complete (single-channel)
control for bw prints.
>
> Within these limitations, I would bet that ImagePrint offers
good bw printing -
> and there are possibly other RIPs that can be used to do bw.
But when it
> comes to high-end RIPs for large format printers, the
discussions are usually
> about their colour capabilities and hence on the large format
list:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EpsonWideFormat/
>
>
> Considering how good a printer the 7600 is, I am sure it's a
matter of time
> before the chip codes are cracked and software like OPM
supports it.
> Expect lots of "chat" about bw printing then!
>
> Antonis

The chips are cracked, the carts are copied, the ink is there,
there's just one problem: that nice millennium act on digital
copyright protection DMCA can be used to protect carts and that
is what Epson and Lexmark have done. I guess we have to wait what
the Lexmark case will end in before third parties bring Epson
Ultrachrome carts + resetters on the market. It is just that
small piece of text that appears on your printer's display
telling you what ink is in. Digital copyright acts can then be
used as if the great American novel has been written.

Ernst

From: "Daniel Staver" <daniel@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 7600 ???


> > The chips are cracked, the carts are copied, the ink is
> > there, there's just one problem: that nice millennium act on
> > digital copyright protection DMCA can be used to protect
> > carts and that is what Epson and Lexmark have done. I guess
> > we have to wait what the Lexmark case will end in before
> > third parties bring Epson Ultrachrome carts + resetters on
> > the market. It is just that small piece of text that appears
> > on your printer's display telling you what ink is in. Digital
> > copyright acts can then be used as if the great American
> > novel has been written.
>
> MIS are already selling prefilled 7600/9600 compatible
cartridges with
> an "Epson eqivalent chip" installed. No chip resetter for the
7600/9600,
> but they have one for the 2100/2200. Agree about the law
though, in that
> regard I'm glad I live in Europe where they're making the chips
illegal
> instead of protecting them.

Haven't seen that, almost for a month now I see. The information
I got was that most third party ink suppliers would introduce
their Ultrachrome cart clones on the PMA 2003 but didn't dare
with the Lexmark case still going. MIS is the exception so far,
wonder what is different in their solution.

On the European "attempt" to crack the manufacturer's marketing
policy. It is mainly on the subject of refilling and of cart
disposal. When the manufacturers change to a strategy to take the
carts back and refill them then they are within the restrictions
of that law. They still can protect the carts so they can't be
refilled by third parties. European laws on digital copyright are
in the making = I wouldn't expect too much of the European
legislation as being more consumer friendly than the US laws. So
far they have been a lot worse than US laws on that aspect.

Ernst

From: "Antonis Ricos" <antonisphoto@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 8:22 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 7600 ???


>
> > The chips are cracked, the carts are copied, the ink is
there,
> > there's just one problem: that nice millennium act on digital
> > copyright protection DMCA can be used to protect carts and
that
> > is what Epson and Lexmark have done.
>
> Ernst,
>
> I didn't know that little twist to the story - thanks for
bringing it up.
> Which doesn't quite explain how MIS is selling UC clones - as
Daniel points
> out.
> Regardless, and to the point of the original question on this
thread, there is
> currently no (legal?) way to put any of the available bw
inksets in a 76/9600.
> At least I don't know anyone selling them in carts or in bulk
with chipped
> empties and a resetter - right?
>
> Antonis

Right but MIS promise them for April, not much time left then.
Lyson has Cave inks ready, the equivalent of Ultrachrome so a
colour set. And they all have the resetter, carts etc from yet
another company.

Of course you could empty full Ultrachrome carts and fill them
with B&W inks, it is legal but expensive.

There are already DIY hacks done on 9600 carts, the image of
desktop model cart chips can be copied it seems. But that's now
done in quarantaine to give you a hint. Eddie's hack of the
2200/2100 carts isn't that far from a hack needed for the pro
models. I wonder what DMCA acts can do on DIY hacks, it is a kind
of karaoke, the tune is played but you have to find your own
words. I thought about "Genuine Epson ..........is not in this
cart but a true quad is"

Ernst