Digital BW, The Print

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Peter Nelson [mailto:peter@...]
  Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:32 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Stupid newbie questions/old cars vs ink printing


  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Barry Kelsall"
  <bktimes@y...> wrote:
  > > The analogy with old English cars goes much too far.

  That's because you're missing the point of the analogy!

  I'm not comparing cars to inkjet printers.  I'm comparing their
  USERS.

  I'm saying the what motivates someone to tinker with vintage sports
  cars is the same thing that motivates someone to like to play around
  with all sorts of different inks, drivers, papers, profiling
  software, RIPS, separate printers for color and black and white,
  etc.   They are both "enthusiast" cultures -  collections of
  (mainly) guys who like the process of tinkering and experimenting
  and using arcane, esoteric language.

  My guess is that if Canon or Epson ever DID come up with a decent
  out-of-the-box b+w printing solution it wouldn't change anything
  that most people here do.   They would still be tinkering with this
  stuff just like ham radio operators, despite telephones and the
  Internet, still like to score QSL's from all continents with a 10W
  QRP rig on 20M with a 3 element Yagi.




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From: "capuozzo" <gtmlabels@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Stupid newbie questions/old cars vs ink
printing


(snip earlier)

>   That's because you're missing the point of the analogy!
>
>   I'm not comparing cars to inkjet printers.  I'm comparing their
>   USERS.
>
>   I'm saying the what motivates someone to tinker with vintage sports
>   cars is the same thing that motivates someone to like to play around
>   with all sorts of different inks, drivers, papers, profiling
>   software, RIPS, separate printers for color and black and white,
>   etc.   They are both "enthusiast" cultures -  collections of
>   (mainly) guys who like the process of tinkering and experimenting
>   and using arcane, esoteric language.
>
>   My guess is that if Canon or Epson ever DID come up with a decent
>   out-of-the-box b+w printing solution it wouldn't change anything
>   that most people here do.   They would still be tinkering with this
>   stuff just like ham radio operators, despite telephones and the
>   Internet, still like to score QSL's from all continents with a 10W
>   QRP rig on 20M with a 3 element Yagi.
>
Capp,

While I think your analogy is true for some it is definitely not true for
all. A lot of people "tinker" because they have a very specific artistic
goal in mind and are striving to achieve it. The technology and the need to
"tinker" is a barrier. Other people "tinker" with various things because
"tinkering" is fun. Some do both.

If Epson or Canon or whoever did come out with a good B&W solution many,
many people would simply put it to use making the prints the want and never
look back. Some folks have already done that with the existing systems.

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html