Digital BW, The Print

I am currently using an Epson 2100 (2200) with the Archival Matte 
paper and Matte Ink for my black and white output.  Whilst I am 
moderately happy I would like to improve things if I could.  In 
daylight the b/w's are cold/neutral but under fluorescent lights 
everything goes a bit magenta (too much for my taste).

At the moment I am just doing work prints, but later in the year I 
will be making 50 exhibition prints.  My options are to go back to a 
wet darkroom or to improve the output I am getting, either by using a 
different inkset or buying a 1290 with a dedicated B/W inkset.... 
decision.. decisions.....

I was wondering if any fellow UK list subscribers would like to do a 
print exchange so we can compare what options are available.  I would 
be happy to co-ordinate things.  Just let me know if you are 
interested.

Cheers

Martin

Yes definitely interested as I am in a similar situation as 
yourself.  I am currently using Permajet VT Blax onto either Epson 
Archival Matte or Folex Duo.  However I am running into problems 
which affects only certain prints with the tones not being properly 
rendered when printing with the colour cartridge; if I use black only 
then the tones are there properly (albeit not to the same clarity) 
but I don't have the polarisation that seems to happen with the 
colour cartridge.  Paul R was very helpful in trying to nail the 
problem but I could not find out what it was (Paul, the head did 
clean eventually).

I am now trying to re-profile my papers using the Epson colour inkset 
so that I can use glossy paper too. 

Count me in, my mail is at the top or you can get me through my 
website below.

Gareth

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DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "martinshakeshaft" 
<ms.photolists@v...> wrote:
> I am currently using an Epson 2100 (2200) with the Archival Matte 
> paper and Matte Ink for my black and white output.  Whilst I am 
> moderately happy I would like to improve things if I could.  In 
> daylight the b/w's are cold/neutral but under fluorescent lights 
> everything goes a bit magenta (too much for my taste).
> 
> At the moment I am just doing work prints, but later in the year I 
> will be making 50 exhibition prints.  My options are to go back to 
a 
> wet darkroom or to improve the output I am getting, either by using 
a 
> different inkset or buying a 1290 with a dedicated B/W inkset.... 
> decision.. decisions.....
> 
> I was wondering if any fellow UK list subscribers would like to do 
a 
> print exchange so we can compare what options are available.  I 
would 

> be happy to co-ordinate things.  Just let me know if you are 
> interested.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garethlock4472" 
<gareth.lock@b...> wrote:
> Yes definitely interested as I am in a similar situation as 
> yourself.  I am currently using Permajet VT Blax onto either Epson 
> Archival Matte or Folex Duo.  However I am running into problems 
> which affects only certain prints with the tones not being properly 
> rendered when printing with the colour cartridge; if I use black 
only 
> then the tones are there properly (albeit not to the same clarity) 
> but I don't have the polarisation that seems to happen with the 
> colour cartridge.  Paul R was very helpful in trying to nail the 
> problem but I could not find out what it was (Paul, the head did 
> clean eventually).
> 
> I am now trying to re-profile my papers using the Epson colour 
inkset 
> so that I can use glossy paper too. 
> 
> Count me in, my mail is at the top or you can get me through my 
> website below.
> 
> Gareth


Should have included my website address!

http://www.imagesoflife.co.uk


> --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "martinshakeshaft" 
> <ms.photolists@v...> wrote:
> > I am currently using an Epson 2100 (2200) with the Archival Matte 
> > paper and Matte Ink for my black and white output.  Whilst I am 
> > moderately happy I would like to improve things if I could.  In 
> > daylight the b/w's are cold/neutral but under fluorescent lights 
> > everything goes a bit magenta (too much for my taste).
> > 
> > At the moment I am just doing work prints, but later in the year 
I 
> > will be making 50 exhibition prints.  My options are to go back 
to 
> a 
> > wet darkroom or to improve the output I am getting, either by 
using 
> a 
> > different inkset or buying a 1290 with a dedicated B/W inkset.... 
> > decision.. decisions.....
> > 
> > I was wondering if any fellow UK list subscribers would like to 
do 

> a 
> > print exchange so we can compare what options are available.  I 
> would 
> > be happy to co-ordinate things.  Just let me know if you are 
> > interested.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Martin

> I am currently using an Epson 2100 (2200) with the Archival Matte 
> paper and Matte Ink for my black and white output.  Whilst I am 
> moderately happy I would like to improve things if I could.
> 
> My options are to go back to a 
> wet darkroom or to improve the output I am getting, 
> either by using a 
> different inkset or buying a 1290 with a dedicated B/W inkset.... 

Maybe I'm missing something, but there is a whole family of options
for improvement other than the two you mention.  These involve 
addtional software to drive your 2100/2200, such as ImagePrint,
Epson's Pro RIP, and OPM/IJC (www.bowhaus.com).  The latter one is
the only one that's free, except it's $200 if you want to be able
to tweak your own profiles.   It's Mac-only though.

John

Is there anyone that would like to do a mini print exchange with me?  
I am looking for examples of B/W prints using the 2100(2200).  I am 
particularly intersted in the Epson Pro RIP or any other alternative 
method that can be applied to a PC based setup.

I am getting half reasonable results with my 2200 but do suffer with 
too much metamism.........

Cheers

Martin