Digital BW, The Print

On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 06:41  AM, Roger L Sopher wrote:

> I put QTR2 on an old Beige Power Mac mainly to use as a comparator to  
> QTR2
> on a Linux box. The installation went as it should and all of the  
> screens
> have the content that they should. The profile and curve loading  
> functions
> seem to work and files appear in the drop box as they should. I  
> printed a
> step wedge that I will measure today but eyeballing it looks pretty  
> good
> except maybe a bit wet on the black end when it came out of the  
> printer.
>
> BUT -- when I tried to print a B&W that had previously printed very  
> well
> with Piezo I get a virtually black output. (printing done from  
> Photoshop
> elements v2).  Looking at it, there are a few, very few, areas on the  
> paper
> where some detail pokes through but not much.
>
> I tried tweaking the gamma setting but that seemed to have no effect  
> at all
> (from 1.0 to 2.0). What should I adjust to cut the amount of ink laid  
> down ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Roger
>
> Roger L Sopher
> rlsopher@...
> http:\\deCorrales.com
>
>
>
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: David M. Dorn [mailto:dmdorn_ct_usa@...]
  Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 7:24 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QTR2 - Black Images...


  Roger,

  At what resolution did you print. Carl Schofield confirmed to me, that
  "1440 x 720Highest Quality" is the max for QT.

  Above 1440x720HQ the ink floods the page.

  Regards,

  David


  On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 06:41  AM, Roger L Sopher wrote:

  > I put QTR2 on an old Beige Power Mac mainly to use as a comparator to
  > QTR2
  > on a Linux box. The installation went as it should and all of the
  > screens
  > have the content that they should. The profile and curve loading
  > functions
  > seem to work and files appear in the drop box as they should. I
  > printed a
  > step wedge that I will measure today but eyeballing it looks pretty
  > good
  > except maybe a bit wet on the black end when it came out of the
  > printer.
  >
  > BUT -- when I tried to print a B&W that had previously printed very
  > well
  > with Piezo I get a virtually black output. (printing done from
  > Photoshop
  > elements v2).  Looking at it, there are a few, very few, areas on the
  > paper
  > where some detail pokes through but not much.
  >
  > I tried tweaking the gamma setting but that seemed to have no effect
  > at all
  > (from 1.0 to 2.0). What should I adjust to cut the amount of ink laid
  > down ?
  >
  > Thanks


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> Have you gone through all the calibration steps? Specifically the ink-limiting step?
> 
> Also, are you _positive_ that you are using the correct curve? If you use the "calib" 
> curve by mistake you will almost definitely get dripping-black output.
> 
> (I personally made both of the above mistakes a half-dozen times, so please don't 
> think I'm being patronizing :) )

  -----Original Message-----
  From: flyfishingusa2002 [mailto:tflyfish@...]
  Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 1:00 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QTR2 - Black Images...


  It's a known problem with Quadtone Rip that printing with 1440 x 720 gives
this
  result. If   you use 1440 x 720 HQ you will be ok. All other resolutions
should be ok
  as well.
  It's a simple fix.

  Barry--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Bandes"
  <byronbulb@y...> wrote:
  > Have you gone through all the calibration steps? Specifically the
ink-limiting step?
  >
  > Also, are you _positive_ that you are using the correct curve? If you
use the "calib"
  > curve by mistake you will almost definitely get dripping-black output.
  >
  > (I personally made both of the above mistakes a half-dozen times, so
please don't
  > think I'm being patronizing :) )


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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Roger L Sopher [mailto:rlsopher@...]
  Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 1:55 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] QTR2 - Black Images...


  I tried 720, and  1440 X 700HQ - no go - same problem. However, in
printing
  I noticed that it appeared that gray tones wer being layed down and then
  covered with black... I checked the curve and it is the fs not the
  fs-calibrate version. I did the ink limiting calibration.

  "is a puzzlement..."

  Roger
    -----Original Message-----
    From: flyfishingusa2002 [mailto:tflyfish@...]
    Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 1:00 PM
    To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QTR2 - Black Images...


    It's a known problem with Quadtone Rip that printing with 1440 x 720
gives
  this
    result. If   you use 1440 x 720 HQ you will be ok. All other resolutions
  should be ok
    as well.
    It's a simple fix.

    Barry--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Charles
Bandes"
    <byronbulb@y...> wrote:
    > Have you gone through all the calibration steps? Specifically the
  ink-limiting step?
    >
    > Also, are you _positive_ that you are using the correct curve? If you
  use the "calib"
    > curve by mistake you will almost definitely get dripping-black output.
    >
    > (I personally made both of the above mistakes a half-dozen times, so
  please don't
    > think I'm being patronizing :) )


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