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ImagePrint experiences

2003-09-19 by crown_red

This is from an experienced, but amateur, wet darkroom B&W 
photographer, also a retired professional computer programmer and 
technology manager. It is intended for other digital newbies. 

I made the jump to digital three weeks ago by buying an Epson 2200 
printer, an Epson 3200 scanner, and a Canon G5 camera. In the 
previous year I think I read most of the pertinent magazine articles, 
BBS postings, and web sites on the subject. I thought I was ready. I 
was wrong. I was especially attracted to articles that said, "…
knocked my socks off." Now I think there are many out there who wear 
very loose socks.

For these three weeks I've been chasing the elusive goal of monitor 
and printer calibration, profiling, and gray balancing for primarily 
B&W and a little color work. I've used the Epson canned profiles and 
about 6 other "custom" and canned profiles. I spent a couple days 
with the Epson Gray Balancer. I bought, tried, and returned Monaco EZ 
Color. A friend generated some profiles for me using Colorvision's 
PrintFix. I've tweaked, I've curved, but I've kept my socks on. The 
Epson Gray Balancer gave the best B&W prints. The Epson canned 
profiles worked better than Monaco, Colorvision, and all the others.

Then I bought ImagePrint (V5.6 Lite) for the inflated price of $495 
plus a ridiculous $30 for shipping. Bottom line – all problems 
solved. I'm finally producing quality useable prints. They are a 
reasonable match to my monitor. I've got one sock off, one sock still 
on. With ImagePrint RIP I can truly produce good quality prints in 
both color and B&W, on a wide variety of papers, on the same printer 
with the same inks.

So I guess this is another endorsement for ImagePrint. If I had 
started with it, I would have saved about 40 hours of testing other 
solutions and about $150 worth of ink, paper, shipping, and 
restocking fees. However, the endorsement comes with some caveats.

Caveat 1: The price seems exorbitant, because it is. Yet it's not too 
hard to rationalize. You can buy "custom" profiles, but you would 
spend $300 to $400 for just a few paper/ink combinations which don't 
work as well. You can buy low end, flatbed scanner based profiling 
systems for $200 to $300 and spend hours generating your own custom 
profiles which are likely to give poor results (Monaco EZColor). You 
can buy high end, spectrometer based profiling systems for $1,500 or 
more. With all these "profiling" systems, you are still left using 
the Photoshop/Epson driver combination, and there is the rub. 
Photoshop makes great editing software. Epson makes great hardware. 
Neither put much effort into their printing software, and it shows.

Of course you can go the Piezo or Septone route, spending well over 
$500 for a dedicated B&W printer and still have the color problem to 
solve. Or you can just live with the results that Epson and Photoshop 
gives you out of the box and try to convince people that magenta cast 
and yellow skin tones are features, not faults.


The company, ColorByte Software in Tampa, Florida, is not one I would 
put in the "user friendly" category. 

They are the most paranoid I've seen about software piracy. It 
appears that their main customer is the professional photographer or 
printer, and that they have no idea how to approach the mass consumer 
market. I would guess that their professional customers try to buy 
one copy of the software and then run it on multiple systems. They 
use a hardware "dongle" AND an encryption serial code on top of the 
dongle. I ordered via e-mail, but then had to play voice phone tag 
because they required both e-mail and voice confirmation of my credit 
card. 

Their support is among the weakest in the industry. Read their web 
site support policy, which when combined with their software 
protection sends a message that they think their customers are all 
thieves who will eat up all their profits with annoying support 
calls. In 5 phone calls I made to buy and install, they never 
answered the phone. Instead, they returned my calls with 1 to 2 
hours, which may be good because they don't have a toll-free number.

During installation on Windows XP, Microsoft interrupted the process 
with a warning message that said the software is not "Logo 
Compliant." That Microsoft message "strongly" recommends that you 
abort the installation and contact the manufacturer because 
continuing "may do severe harm to your system." I had to call 
Colorbyte, leave a message, and wait 1.5 hours for a return call. 
Colorbyte first tried to disclaim responsibility because the message 
is caused by the dongle driver installation, which they did not 
write. But they said that it's OK to continue the installation. Then 
they said that in order to get Microsoft "Logo Compliance," software 
vendors have to submit their products to Microsoft and pay a fee for 
testing. Apparently ColorByte and their dongle supplier did not want 
to be bothered with that. If you install ImagePrint on Windows XP you 
are guaranteed to get this terrorizing Microsoft message. Yet there 
is no mention of it in any of the ImagePrint documentation, nor on 
their web site support pages.

The ImagePrint software also installs something called muxd.exe which 
tries to be a "server." If you have a decent firewall installed it 
will trap muxd.exe and give you a warning. It turns out that muxd.exe 
is for networked printer support. There is also no mention of it in 
the documentation or web site support pages. But there it is, running 
all the time and using up 1 Meg of memory whether you need it or not.

ImagePrint uses 225 megabytes of disk storage because it installs 
every component for every known printer. The typical user probably 
needs about a third of the stuff that gets installed.

In operation, the software is fast and efficient. But the user 
interface is about grade "C". Not as confusing as the infamous 
Photoshop vs. Epson print controls, but close. You have to look in 
three or more different places to make the common settings required 
for each print job. Some are pull-down menus, some are right-click 
pop-up menus. The option labels are "techie" versus user oriented. 
For example, you define the image's input working space under a tap 
labeled "Bitmap," and the output profile name is selected under a tab 
labeled "System."

Conclusion: I'm glad I bought ImagePrint. I'll keep it. I'll feel bad 
a year from now when new hardware, software, or marketing 
developments give the same performance for half the price.

Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint experiences

2003-09-19 by Tom Baker

I run Imageprint on my 9600.  As you know, I paid a bunch more than the version for the 2200.  I too am a very experienced software developer, user, and photographer/darkroom printer.  I share your general opinions of Colorbyte's customer manners.  But,  I believe that Imageprint and Photoshop are two of the best operating pieces of software I have ever encountered.  The software backs up the claims.  Bottom line is, you still have to pay for quality, one way or the other.  I elected to pay for it up front.  Best decission I ever made.  Imageprint told me on the phone before I bought that every piece of paper that came off my printer with their software would be saleable.  With just a little care on my part, it's true.  I believe that there is no other software/hardware combination on the market that can truthfull make that claim.
 
Also, for some reason, since I got Imageprint, I have not had any monitor/printer calibration problems.  I do pay attention to the ICC profiles from end-to-end in my processing.  But, I'm not sure that's why I haven't had any problems.  Maybe luck.  After all, this is still photography, and every photographer needs a little luck now and then, no matter how well you plan.
 
Tom Baker

crown_red <crown_red@...> wrote:
This is from an experienced, but amateur, wet darkroom B&W 
photographer, also a retired professional computer programmer and 
technology manager. It is intended for other digital newbies. 

I made the jump to digital three weeks ago by buying an Epson 2200 
printer, an Epson 3200 scanner, and a Canon G5 camera. In the 
previous year I think I read most of the pertinent magazine articles, 
BBS postings, and web sites on the subject. I thought I was ready. I 
was wrong. I was especially attracted to articles that said, "�
knocked my socks off." Now I think there are many out there who wear 
very loose socks.

For these three weeks I've been chasing the elusive goal of monitor 
and printer calibration, profiling, and gray balancing for primarily 
B&W and a little color work. I've used the Epson canned profiles and 
about 6 other "custom" and canned profiles. I spent a couple days 
with the Epson Gray Balancer. I bought, tried, and returned Monaco EZ 
Color. A friend generated some profiles for me using Colorvision's 
PrintFix. I've tweaked, I've curved, but I've kept my socks on. The 
Epson Gray Balancer gave the best B&W prints. The Epson canned 
profiles worked better than Monaco, Colorvision, and all the others.

Then I bought ImagePrint (V5.6 Lite) for the inflated price of $495 
plus a ridiculous $30 for shipping. Bottom line � all problems 
solved. I'm finally producing quality useable prints. They are a 
reasonable match to my monitor. I've got one sock off, one sock still 
on. With ImagePrint RIP I can truly produce good quality prints in 
both color and B&W, on a wide variety of papers, on the same printer 
with the same inks.

So I guess this is another endorsement for ImagePrint. If I had 
started with it, I would have saved about 40 hours of testing other 
solutions and about $150 worth of ink, paper, shipping, and 
restocking fees. However, the endorsement comes with some caveats.

Caveat 1: The price seems exorbitant, because it is. Yet it's not too 
hard to rationalize. You can buy "custom" profiles, but you would 
spend $300 to $400 for just a few paper/ink combinations which don't 
work as well. You can buy low end, flatbed scanner based profiling 
systems for $200 to $300 and spend hours generating your own custom 
profiles which are likely to give poor results (Monaco EZColor). You 
can buy high end, spectrometer based profiling systems for $1,500 or 
more. With all these "profiling" systems, you are still left using 
the Photoshop/Epson driver combination, and there is the rub. 
Photoshop makes great editing software. Epson makes great hardware. 
Neither put much effort into their printing software, and it shows.

Of course you can go the Piezo or Septone route, spending well over 
$500 for a dedicated B&W printer and still have the color problem to 
solve. Or you can just live with the results that Epson and Photoshop 
gives you out of the box and try to convince people that magenta cast 
and yellow skin tones are features, not faults.


The company, ColorByte Software in Tampa, Florida, is not one I would 
put in the "user friendly" category. 

They are the most paranoid I've seen about software piracy. It 
appears that their main customer is the professional photographer or 
printer, and that they have no idea how to approach the mass consumer 
market. I would guess that their professional customers try to buy 
one copy of the software and then run it on multiple systems. They 
use a hardware "dongle" AND an encryption serial code on top of the 
dongle. I ordered via e-mail, but then had to play voice phone tag 
because they required both e-mail and voice confirmation of my credit 
card. 

Their support is among the weakest in the industry. Read their web 
site support policy, which when combined with their software 
protection sends a message that they think their customers are all 
thieves who will eat up all their profits with annoying support 
calls. In 5 phone calls I made to buy and install, they never 
answered the phone. Instead, they returned my calls with 1 to 2 
hours, which may be good because they don't have a toll-free number.

During installation on Windows XP, Microsoft interrupted the process 
with a warning message that said the software is not "Logo 
Compliant." That Microsoft message "strongly" recommends that you 
abort the installation and contact the manufacturer because 
continuing "may do severe harm to your system." I had to call 
Colorbyte, leave a message, and wait 1.5 hours for a return call. 
Colorbyte first tried to disclaim responsibility because the message 
is caused by the dongle driver installation, which they did not 
write. But they said that it's OK to continue the installation. Then 
they said that in order to get Microsoft "Logo Compliance," software 
vendors have to submit their products to Microsoft and pay a fee for 
testing. Apparently ColorByte and their dongle supplier did not want 
to be bothered with that. If you install ImagePrint on Windows XP you 
are guaranteed to get this terrorizing Microsoft message. Yet there 
is no mention of it in any of the ImagePrint documentation, nor on 
their web site support pages.

The ImagePrint software also installs something called muxd.exe which 
tries to be a "server." If you have a decent firewall installed it 
will trap muxd.exe and give you a warning. It turns out that muxd.exe 
is for networked printer support. There is also no mention of it in 
the documentation or web site support pages. But there it is, running 
all the time and using up 1 Meg of memory whether you need it or not.

ImagePrint uses 225 megabytes of disk storage because it installs 
every component for every known printer. The typical user probably 
needs about a third of the stuff that gets installed.

In operation, the software is fast and efficient. But the user 
interface is about grade "C". Not as confusing as the infamous 
Photoshop vs. Epson print controls, but close. You have to look in 
three or more different places to make the common settings required 
for each print job. Some are pull-down menus, some are right-click 
pop-up menus. The option labels are "techie" versus user oriented. 
For example, you define the image's input working space under a tap 
labeled "Bitmap," and the output profile name is selected under a tab 
labeled "System."

Conclusion: I'm glad I bought ImagePrint. I'll keep it. I'll feel bad 
a year from now when new hardware, software, or marketing 
developments give the same performance for half the price.



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Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint experiences

2003-09-19 by Martin Sluka

I agree with both of you. I have 9600 running with IP and I had many 
problems at beginning specially I live in Europe. But they were able 
to solve most of the problems in a moment they understand that they 
are real problems. There are still problems with units/default units 
(meter/inch) and others. But generaly the software payed for itself 
very fast.

I like their ICC profiles - not so exact as custom made, but 
consistent and very good generated - no any "holes" or compressed 
areas in them. If I rotate red hue with +6 it is almost exact for my 
printer.

Martin Sluka

At 20:31 -0700 18.9.2003, Tom Baker wrote:
*******************************************

>I run Imageprint on my 9600. 
>Also, for some reason, since I got Imageprint, I have not had any 
>monitor/printer calibration problems.  I do pay attention to the ICC 
>profiles from end-to-end in my processing.  But, I'm not sure that's 
>why I haven't had any problems.  Maybe luck.  After all, this is 
>still photography, and every photographer needs a little luck now 
>and then, no matter how well you plan.
> 
>Tom Baker
>
>crown_red <crown_red@...> wrote:
>
>>Conclusion: I'm glad I bought ImagePrint. I'll keep it. I'll feel bad
>>a year from now when new hardware, software, or marketing
>>developments give the same performance for half the price.

--

Re: ImagePrint experiences

2003-09-19 by Mitch Alland

> The company, ColorByte Software in Tampa, Florida, is not one I would
> put in the "user friendly" category....
>
> Their support is among the weakest in the industry. Read their web
> site support policy, which when combined with their software
> protection sends a message that they think their customers are all
> thieves who will eat up all their profits with annoying support
> calls. In 5 phone calls I made to buy and install, they never
> answered the phone. Instead, they returned my calls with 1 to 2
> hours, which may be good because they don't have a toll-free number.

This has not been my experience. I was vary about buying IP because I 
live most of the time in Bangkok where my Epson 7600 printer is and 
telephoning the company was not an option. However, I took the plunge 
and used e-mail to contact the company. I found that my e-mail messages 
were all answered satisfactorily the same day or the next day. And I 
had plenty of problems because I bought the Mac version program last 
October which ran kludgily under Mac OS9 owing to the lack of 
multitasking of that system and then switched to the 0SX version in 
early December and, as ColorByte admitted, the initial OSX version had 
several bugs -- and the company extended the warranty period until they 
were finally able to provide a solid release, a period of some 7 
months, if I remember correctly.

Moreover, when I was in the  midst of my problems of not being able to 
print John Pannozzo and Daniel Barrett telephoned me in Bangkok -- it 
was New Years Eve their time! -- to make sure that the problem was 
resolved, as it was difficult to figure out over the phone what was 
going wrong.

Indeed, the reality about their customer support is the opposite of 
what you write: ColorByte has consistently listened to its customers, 
the latest example being the introduction being the Monitor Black Point 
Compensation slider in v5.6 which allows you finely to control the 
degree of shadow detail and color saturation.

BTW, I thinks that if they call back in 1-2 hours, that's not at all 
bad for a small company. It's a lot bettter than being put on hold for 
15-20 minutes as is common for many companies.


>  That Microsoft message "strongly" recommends that you
> abort the installation and contact the manufacturer because
> continuing "may do severe harm to your system.".... Yet there
> is no mention of it in any of the ImagePrint documentation, nor on
> their web site support pages.

The manual is not very good and should be rewritten and expanded in its 
coverage.


> ImagePrint uses 225 megabytes of disk storage because it installs
> every component for every known printer. The typical user probably
> needs about a third of the stuff that gets installed.

My installation is 86MB. I think that the bulk comes from all the paper 
profiles that are installed. I deleted all the profiles that I don't 
use.


> In operation, the software is fast and efficient. But the user
> interface is about grade "C". Not as confusing as the infamous
> Photoshop vs. Epson print controls, but close. You have to look in
> three or more different places to make the common settings required
> for each print job.

Although the user is not elegant, the program is very easy to use once 
you have set it up correctly. In v5.5 they introduced automatic ink 
selection when the paper profile is selected so that the correct Matte 
Black or Photo Balck ink set is selected for color or grayscale prints. 
This simplifies things a lot.


> "Conclusion: I'm glad I bought ImagePrint. I'll keep it.

That says it all. Yes, I wish the price were lower but that is the 
company's decision, and you're free not to buy. And I don't like the 
dongle either but it hasn't caused any problems, despite that the 
dongle software under Mac OSX will not let you print if Classic is 
running, but that is a very minor inconvenience.

--Mitch/Potomac, MD

Re: ImagePrint experiences

2003-09-19 by Clayton Jones

Hello Mitch,

>This has not been my experience...

Thanks for presenting the other side.  Even though I don't use IP,
being a software developer I'd like to add some comments about the
price and the dongle:

price - their price is probably a realistic reflection of their costs.
 Complex programs require talented programmers, which don't come
cheap.  It order to stay in business for the long haul they have to
pay their people good salaries to keep them, and still earn a livable
profit.   Every company has to decide what it's target market is. 
Obviously they have targeted the professionals, not the consumers. 
Only the professionals can afford the price they need to get.  If a
pro can afford 8k for a 1Ds and 3k for a 7600, then he/she can afford
IP as well - it's just another tool to be written off as an expense. 
Having someone like Roy Harrington who is willing to spend countless
hours writing a RIP for free is a rare blessing.  He must have a
source of income that allows him time to do it.  That's great, but it
is unrealistic to expect that all programs should be free or cheap. 
Most people have to earn a living from their endeavors.  

dongle - Unfortunately a pita, but one of the few ironclad defenses
against piracy.  Most software solutions can be hacked.  Also
unfortunately, their fear of piracy is well founded: the world _is_
full of thieves.  There is very little integrity in the world today. 
People of true integrity are a minority.  Would you go to the mall
without locking your car?  The only constraint against stealing seems
to be whether or not one can get away with it.  I have no doubt that
if the dongle were not used there would be many people using IP
without paying for it.  It's sad, but piracy is a fact of life.  I
know because my software is pirated.

IMO, we should be happy that IP exists and be willing to pay the
freight and keep the company healthy so they are still there tomorrow.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Re: [Digital BW] Re: ImagePrint experiences

2003-09-19 by Tom Baker

I'm with you.  I'm not happy that these products cost so much.  However, I'm happy to pay what it takes to keep good developers working and creating/improving products that I need and use.  It's easy to copy Photoshop.  But, every time one gives it away, you're cutting down on the amount of time/money that Adobe can use to improve the product.  So, either the product doesn't get improved the way it could, or the actual buyers of the product will be paying more.  
 
In reality, all of the security features that are included in software products today do not create much of an operational problem for the legit owners of the software.  Most of the complaining I hear comes from people that can't easily steal software (or music, for that matter).
 
Also, even though I am not using the profiles/software that are provided at no cost by some individuals,  I believe that they provide at least two valuable services to the user community.  One is that they are providing useful software to users that can't afford to purchase commercial software.  The other is that, in many cases, these people are doing things in software, or putting it on operating systems, that the commercial developers would shy away from due to lack of a perceived market.  This can provide a bit of a push to commercial developers to keep innovating.  All users of these free products should at least be supporting these people with their thanks, and, most of all, honest feedback on their products.
 
Again, high quality is not free or even cheap.  It's paid for by sweat, time, and money.
 
Tom Baker
 

Clayton Jones <cj@...> wrote:
Hello Mitch,

>This has not been my experience...

Thanks for presenting the other side.  Even though I don't use IP,
being a software developer I'd like to add some comments about the
price and the dongle:

price - their price is probably a realistic reflection of their costs.
Complex programs require talented programmers, which don't come
cheap.  It order to stay in business for the long haul they have to
pay their people good salaries to keep them, and still earn a livable
profit.   Every company has to decide what it's target market is. 
Obviously they have targeted the professionals, not the consumers. 
Only the professionals can afford the price they need to get.  If a
pro can afford 8k for a 1Ds and 3k for a 7600, then he/she can afford
IP as well - it's just another tool to be written off as an expense. 
Having someone like Roy Harrington who is willing to spend countless
hours writing a RIP for free is a rare blessing.  He must have a
source of income that allows him time to do it.  That's great, but it
is unrealistic to expect that all programs should be free or cheap. 
Most people have to earn a living from their endeavors.  

dongle - Unfortunately a pita, but one of the few ironclad defenses
against piracy.  Most software solutions can be hacked.  Also
unfortunately, their fear of piracy is well founded: the world _is_
full of thieves.  There is very little integrity in the world today. 
People of true integrity are a minority.  Would you go to the mall
without locking your car?  The only constraint against stealing seems
to be whether or not one can get away with it.  I have no doubt that
if the dongle were not used there would be many people using IP
without paying for it.  It's sad, but piracy is a fact of life.  I
know because my software is pirated.

IMO, we should be happy that IP exists and be willing to pay the
freight and keep the company healthy so they are still there tomorrow.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm


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Re: ImagePrint experiences

2003-09-19 by Arlen

One policy Colorbyte has which seems very ill-conceived to me is how 
difficult they make it for a consumer to get a demo.  Colorbyte 
itself apparently no longer provides demo CD's.  Distributors such as 
Lexjet won't send them out to ordinary consumers.  A retailer in 
England will send them out only to those in Western Europe.  Even at 
the fairly high price they charge, many serious hobbyists would 
consider buying their product if convinced it really makes a big 
difference in the quality of their output.  The testimonials of users 
like those here get many us to the edge of the purchase.  If we could 
just get a demo to see for ourselves what others are claiming, I 
believe many more of us would be willing to shell out the dollars.  
And yes I know that you can buy the software and then return it, but 
that hassle is one more barrier to the purchase decision.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
<cj@c...> wrote:
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> Hello Mitch,
> 
> >This has not been my experience...
> 
> Thanks for presenting the other side.  Even though I don't use IP,
> being a software developer I'd like to add some comments about the
> price and the dongle:...

Re: ImagePrint experiences

2003-09-20 by wharfwalker

Tom, which inkset have you had most success with for B&W using 
Imageprint?
thanks
John

Re: [Digital BW] Re: ImagePrint experiences

2003-09-20 by Tom Baker

I use only the Ultrachrome w/matte black in place of the photo black.  Also, after reading the article that was referenced on this forum a couple of days ago on Seven Katzman, I was left with the impression that he is also printing with the Ultrachrome for his B&W, and from what I could tell, he'd be pretty picky.
 
Tom Baker

wharfwalker <jswhite@...> wrote:
Tom, which inkset have you had most success with for B&W using 
Imageprint?
thanks
John


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Re: [Digital BW] Re: ImagePrint experiences

2003-09-22 by luk lau

absolutly agree, i try to write to them and get a demo.
but they  never replyme. 
 
luk :)

Arlen <atboards@...> wrote:
One policy Colorbyte has which seems very ill-conceived to me is how 
difficult they make it for a consumer to get a demo.  Colorbyte 
itself apparently no longer provides demo CD's.  Distributors such as 
Lexjet won't send them out to ordinary consumers.  A retailer in 
England will send them out only to those in Western Europe.  Even at 
the fairly high price they charge, many serious hobbyists would 
consider buying their product if convinced it really makes a big 
difference in the quality of their output.  The testimonials of users 
like those here get many us to the edge of the purchase.  If we could 
just get a demo to see for ourselves what others are claiming, I 
believe many more of us would be willing to shell out the dollars.  
And yes I know that you can buy the software and then return it, but 
that hassle is one more barrier to the purchase decision.



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Re: [Digital BW] Re: ImagePrint experiences

2003-09-22 by Martin Sluka

Have you try to contact any dealer of ColorByte near you?

Martin

At 07:34 -0700 22.9.2003, luk lau wrote:
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>absolutly agree, i try to write to them and get a demo.
>but they  never replyme.
> 
>luk :)
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>Arlen <atboards@...> wrote:
>One policy Colorbyte has which seems very ill-conceived to me is how
>difficult they make it for a consumer to get a demo.  Colorbyte
>itself apparently no longer provides demo CD's.  Distributors such as
>Lexjet won't send them out to ordinary consumers.  A retailer in
>England will send them out only to those in Western Europe.  Even at
>the fairly high price they charge, many serious hobbyists would
>consider buying their product if convinced it really makes a big
>difference in the quality of their output.  The testimonials of users
>like those here get many us to the edge of the purchase.  If we could
>just get a demo to see for ourselves what others are claiming, I
>believe many more of us would be willing to shell out the dollars. 
>And yes I know that you can buy the software and then return it, but
>that hassle is one more barrier to the purchase decision.
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: ImagePrint experiences

2003-09-24 by luk lau

there is no dealer any where close to columbus ohio.
 
:(

Martin Sluka <martinsluka@...> wrote:
Have you try to contact any dealer of ColorByte near you?

Martin

At 07:34 -0700 22.9.2003, luk lau wrote:
*******************************************

>absolutly agree, i try to write to them and get a demo.
>but they  never replyme.
> 
>luk :)
>
>Arlen <atboards@...> wrote:
>One policy Colorbyte has which seems very ill-conceived to me is how
>difficult they make it for a consumer to get a demo.  Colorbyte
>itself apparently no longer provides demo CD's.  Distributors such as
>Lexjet won't send them out to ordinary consumers.  A retailer in
>England will send them out only to those in Western Europe.  Even at
>the fairly high price they charge, many serious hobbyists would
>consider buying their product if convinced it really makes a big
>difference in the quality of their output.  The testimonials of users
>like those here get many us to the edge of the purchase.  If we could
>just get a demo to see for ourselves what others are claiming, I
>believe many more of us would be willing to shell out the dollars. 
>And yes I know that you can buy the software and then return it, but
>that hassle is one more barrier to the purchase decision.
>
>
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