Digital BW, The Print

Looking at the prices refurbished 1280s are going for, I've been 
thinking it might worth getting one as a dedicated BW printer. I'd 
like to go the UT route with the printer, but I haven't heard much 
about what kind of results people are getting with Paul's curves. 
(OTH, I've heard a lot of good things about the UT curves on the 
1160.) Also, it seems like clogging can be a problem with the 1280 
and the UT inkset. Any advice or suggestions on which way to go would 
be appreciated. My other choice would be to get a 2200 and switch 
between color and the UT set (filling my own carts).

Chris Hargens

Chris,

I've been using and liking the UT inks with Paul's curves on my 1280 
very much.  I switched from the VM inks and would like to go to a CIS 
someday.  With the UT ink I get very smooth transitions through the 
entire range.  I'm refilling my carts right now but am not crazy 
about it.  I think it's kind of a pain to do.  If I don't print every 
day or so I might have some clogging which is cleared up with no more 
than two or three cleanings.  Like I said I love the ink and Paul's 
curves but there're a lot of new things developing out there so I'm 
leery about committing to CIS.  Guess I'll keep refilling and trying 
new inks and workflows until I can be sure I have the best.  Which is 
probably never.

I bet I've been no help at all but bottom line for me is the UT inks 
and Paul's curves are the best yet.

Tom

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hargens" 
<chargens@s...> wrote:
> Looking at the prices refurbished 1280s are going for, I've been 
> thinking it might worth getting one as a dedicated BW printer. I'd 
> like to go the UT route with the printer, but I haven't heard much 
> about what kind of results people are getting with Paul's curves. 
> (OTH, I've heard a lot of good things about the UT curves on the 
> 1160.) Also, it seems like clogging can be a problem with the 1280 
> and the UT inkset. Any advice or suggestions on which way to go 
would 

> be appreciated. My other choice would be to get a 2200 and switch 
> between color and the UT set (filling my own carts).
> 
> Chris Hargens

Chris,

>Looking at the prices refurbished 1280s are going for, I've been
>thinking it might worth getting one as a dedicated BW printer.

I think it is the 13" printer of choice now for B&W.

> I'd like to go the UT route with the printer, but I haven't
>heard much about what kind of results people are
>getting with Paul's curves.

I'll let others answer this.  As with all "canned" profiles, there can be
differences between printers.  The more curves that are available, the
better.  Also, learning to tweak the curves for the paper you prefer and
your printer will improve things.

> Also, it seems like clogging can be a problem with the 1280
>and the UT inkset. ...

The only problem I had with my 1280 was apparently due to the residual dye
from the original color inkset on the pads causing nuisance clogs.  The
Eboni (matte) black is apparently affected by dyes.  Once I rinsed the pads,
the problem disappeared.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Hi There,
I have been using the dedicated BW 1280 for a while with the CIS UT and 
Paul's curves.
Images are great - I got no complain at all.  The only surprising thing 
which has happened
to me, or to my printer was what I explain below:
I use only Photo Black - since I coat the print I didn't want the Ebony 
which is prone to
clogging since it's interaction with the residual Epson inks on the 
waste pads etc.
After about of two (2) weeks of my printer being unplugged I tried to 
print and.... no black ink
whatsoever.  
I removed the pipe from the black ink cartridge (CIS) and blew into the 
pipe (with my mouth).
It produced about 1-1/2 inch long gelly-like plug in the pipe at the 
cartridge end.  Once I
washed it and VACUUM loaded the ink to the cartridge (the syringe sucked 
from the cartridge
a lot air and ink which I reused) almost immediately I had a perfect 
nozzle check again.
Strange thing since I haven't expect any clogging with the Photo Black 
Ink.  But probably
YOU HAVE TO PRINT A PURGE PRINT AT LEAST ONE A WEEK, even in the periods
of not printing.  
Otherwise I got no complain WHATSOEVER about Pauls curves applied to UT 
inks.
---
I am  no longer waiting for any 8 color (or 64 color for that matter) 
printer which can print
both color and BW.  
Epson 1280 and UT and Paul's curves is the answer.
Here are my 2 cents.
Good luck
Jack

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Chris Hargens wrote:

> Looking at the prices refurbished 1280s are going for, I've been
> thinking it might worth getting one as a dedicated BW printer. I'd
> like to go the UT route with the printer, but I haven't heard much
> about what kind of results people are getting with Paul's curves.
> (OTH, I've heard a lot of good things about the UT curves on the
> 1160.) Also, it seems like clogging can be a problem with the 1280
> and the UT inkset. Any advice or suggestions on which way to go would
> be appreciated. My other choice would be to get a 2200 and switch
> between color and the UT set (filling my own carts).
>
> Chris Hargens
>
>

Thanks for the encouraging replies. I forgot to mention that since my 
1160 broke down midstream (apparently a short in the heads, or 
something like that) I have 4 full bottles of the UT quadtone set for 
the 1160. If I get a 1280 will I be able to use all 4 of these inks 
for refilling carts or just the toner and the eboni black?

Chris Hargens

Is there a new deal for refurb 1280's right now?  I missed out on that 
great deal at samy's camera.  Only one I see is the whopping $20 at 
epson.com

hoping to get one myself,
allan

Quoting Chris Hargens <chargens@...>:

> Looking at the prices refurbished 1280s are going for, I've been 
> thinking it might worth getting one as a dedicated BW printer. I'd 
> like to go the UT route with the printer, but I haven't heard much 
> about what kind of results people are getting with Paul's curves. 
> (OTH, I've heard a lot of good things about the UT curves on the 
> 1160.) Also, it seems like clogging can be a problem with the 1280 
> and the UT inkset. Any advice or suggestions on which way to go would 
> be appreciated. My other choice would be to get a 2200 and switch 
> between color and the UT set (filling my own carts).
> 
> Chris Hargens
> 
> 
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I've recently seen some refurbished 1280s, with 1-yr warranty, going 
for less than $300 on Ebay. As for Epson's online prices -- yes, 
still high.

Chris Hargens

 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Allan B Chen 
<kaiyen@s...> wrote:
> Is there a new deal for refurb 1280's right now?  I missed out on 
that 
> great deal at samy's camera.  Only one I see is the whopping $20 at 
> epson.com
> 
> hoping to get one myself,
> allan
> 
> Quoting Chris Hargens <chargens@s...>:
> 
> > Looking at the prices refurbished 1280s are going for, I've been 
> > thinking it might worth getting one as a dedicated BW printer. 
I'd 
> > like to go the UT route with the printer, but I haven't heard 
much 
> > about what kind of results people are getting with Paul's curves. 
> > (OTH, I've heard a lot of good things about the UT curves on the 
> > 1160.) Also, it seems like clogging can be a problem with the 
1280 
> > and the UT inkset. Any advice or suggestions on which way to go 
would 
> > be appreciated. My other choice would be to get a 2200 and switch 
> > between color and the UT set (filling my own carts).
> > 
> > Chris Hargens
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Polls and
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I have a new, in the box and never used, Epson 860
(narrow carriage version of the 1160) for sale.  I'll
include the cable.

If interested, contanct me off list
haverbach@...

Howard


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