Digital BW, The Print

Since it looks like we'll have a $69 printer that can do archival carbon
printing soon without the need for Photoshop, the next question might be
what image processing software I should recommend to non-expert
photographers without big budgets.

It seems to me that for the genealogists and scrapbook fans, basic tools in
an easy-to-use format and a price under $100 is needed.  Some of the
programs that came up in my initial search were Ulead PhotoImpact 8, Digital
Image Pro, and, of course, Adobe's Elements.  (I must admit that I have a
preference to see some company other than M$ or Adobe get more market share
here.)

Any thoughts?

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

On the Mac side for $30.US is GraphicConverter:

http://www.lemkesoft.de/en/graphcon.htm

Have not tried it myself but have heard only good things about it. Read the ratings 
here:

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/11559

On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 10:30, Paul Roark wrote:
> Since it looks like we'll have a $69 printer that can do archival
> carbon
> printing soon without the need for Photoshop, the next question might
> be
> what image processing software I should recommend to non-expert
> photographers without big budgets.
> 
> It seems to me that for the genealogists and scrapbook fans, basic
> tools in
> an easy-to-use format and a price under $100 is needed.  Some of the
> programs that came up in my initial search were Ulead PhotoImpact 8,
> Digital
> Image Pro, and, of course, Adobe's Elements.  (I must admit that I
> have a
> preference to see some company other than M$ or Adobe get more market
> share
> here.)
> 
> Any thoughts?
How about Qimage and ACDsee as possibilities?

Roger

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Also on the Mac side is Apple's Preview utility, which is free.  I use  
it occasionally when printing notecards or other items with custom  
paper sizes because of an Adobe bug /conflict with OS X that prohibits  
printing custom page sizes via Gimp-print in Photoshop.  No editing  
capabilities, but fine just for printing.  iPhoto and Appleworks are  
other free Apple apps with printing, layout, templates, and some  
editing capabilities.

Carl
www.schophoto.com

On Sunday, October 19, 2003, at 12:30  PM, Paul Roark wrote:

> Since it looks like we'll have a $69 printer that can do archival  
> carbon
> printing soon without the need for Photoshop, the next question might  
> be
> what image processing software I should recommend to non-expert
> photographers without big budgets.
>
> It seems to me that for the genealogists and scrapbook fans, basic  
> tools in
> an easy-to-use format and a price under $100 is needed.  Some of the
> programs that came up in my initial search were Ulead PhotoImpact 8,  
> Digital
> Image Pro, and, of course, Adobe's Elements.  (I must admit that I  
> have a
> preference to see some company other than M$ or Adobe get more market  
> share
> here.)
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
>
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I'll second the recommendation of GraphicConverter, which, 
BTW, works on the "classic" Mac OS (7.5-9.2) as well as OS X. 
One caveat: it's a fairly sophisticated app, in spite of GC's "baby 
Photoshop" status, meaning it will take a while for someone just 
starting out with all this stuff to get her/his hands around it.

(Paul, maybe we should start an "Adopt a Newbie" digital 
imaging tutorial program here). ;-)

- Barrett

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John 
Vitollo" <jvlist@c...> wrote:
> On the Mac side for $30.US is GraphicConverter:
> 
> http://www.lemkesoft.de/en/graphcon.htm
> 
> Have not tried it myself but have heard only good things about 
it. Read the ratings 

> here:
> 
> http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/11559

I'm trying to install QuadTone RIP on OS10.2.8. Everything appears to 
be where it's supposed to be except there are no curves. The curves 
drop box is empty (isn't my printer supposed to show up in there?) and 
when I run "install curves" I get "warning no quadtone curve folder 
found". Is it a printer name issue? If so where and how do I change it 
without starting over? Or do I just start over.
What am I doing wrong?

Thanx,
-Alan

Paul,

How about a simple, effective and free graphic processor.

http://www.irfanview.com/

Cheers,
Andre

At 09:30 AM 10/19/03 -0700, you wrote:
>Since it looks like we'll have a $69 printer that can do archival carbon
>printing soon without the need for Photoshop, the next question might be
>what image processing software I should recommend to non-expert
>photographers without big budgets.
>
>It seems to me that for the genealogists and scrapbook fans, basic tools in
>an easy-to-use format and a price under $100 is needed.  Some of the
>programs that came up in my initial search were Ulead PhotoImpact 8, Digital
>Image Pro, and, of course, Adobe's Elements.  (I must admit that I have a
>preference to see some company other than M$ or Adobe get more market share
>here.)
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Paul
>http://www.PaulRoark.com
>

Paul,

How about PaintShop Pro?

http://www.jasc.com/

It's got a big user base and how-to books.  Don't tell but my free copy 
from the back in the Stone Age is good for most things.

BTW is there more on this $69 dollar printer in last week's mail? - I was 
away.  Four of them would be just right for me - odds are, I'd have one 
actually functioning at any given time.

AZ


Build a Lookaround!
The Lookaround Book, 2nd ed.
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Picture Window/$50 and Picture Window Pro/$90 (PC only)

Very powerful...Very intuitative especially for an entry level 
person who has not been contaminated by the Adobe/etal workflow.

Digital Light and Color
www.dl-c.com

Jonathan Sachs (the developer) actually interacts with his customers 
and answers questions online -- Adobe/etal??

Jeff Randall



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Since it looks like we'll have a $69 printer that can do archival 
carbon
> printing soon without the need for Photoshop, the next question 
might be
> what image processing software I should recommend to non-expert
> photographers without big budgets.
> 
> It seems to me that for the genealogists and scrapbook fans, basic 
tools in
> an easy-to-use format and a price under $100 is needed.  Some of 
the
> programs that came up in my initial search were Ulead PhotoImpact 
8, Digital
> Image Pro, and, of course, Adobe's Elements.  (I must admit that I 
have a
> preference to see some company other than M$ or Adobe get more 
market share

> here.)
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

GIMP is free, powerful and not *that* hard to learn... I think that 
all the programs are going to be hard to use if someone doesn't what 
to think about what they are doing anyway... GIMP also has a big user 
base and available help if you ask.

It's probably hardest to use if you are a PhotoShop user and looking 
in all the *right places* and not finding things;)

mark

...
> > It seems to me that for the genealogists and scrapbook fans, 
basic 
> tools in
> > an easy-to-use format and a price under $100 is needed.  Some of 
> the
> > programs that came up in my initial search were Ulead PhotoImpact 
> 8, Digital
> > Image Pro, and, of course, Adobe's Elements.  (I must admit that 
I 
> have a
> > preference to see some company other than M$ or Adobe get more 
> market share
> > here.)
> > 
> > Any thoughts?
...

Thank you all for the ideas.

Paul

Have been a long time lurker. Just wanted to suggest that, although 
it's more expensive then the previously suggested options, Picture 
Window Pro might strike the perfect balence between inexpensive and 
powerful (Full support for 48-bit color/16-bit B&W files):

Picture Window Pro -- $89.95 (30-day trial version free download)
Picture Window -- $49.95

Plus there's a very helpful online introduction at:

http://www.normankoren.com/PWP_intro.html

Just my 2 cents,
Jason.

In quickly looking at the free viewers, it looks like they lack any
retouching tools, such as a clone tool, which I think is one of the most
useful.

Epson is advertising the Perfection 1670 "photo restoration" scanner in the
genealogy magazines.  For a list of $129 it ships with ArcSoft's Photo
Impression image editing software.  Since the low end scanners (e.g.,
Epson's 48 bit 1260) sell for $49, are the features and software of the 1670
a good deal?

Does this "photo restoration" feature (allegedly corrects colors of faded
snapshots) really do anything more than an auto levels (on each color
channel)?

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com