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2003-11-18 by Richard Smallfield
Hi, I am about to buy MIS inks for a 1200 and wondered if anyone had an opinion on whether the UT or FS would be a safer bet for this printer. thanks, Richard -- photos: http://photos.smallfield.vze.com homepage: http://smallfield.vze.com favourite website: http://www.masters-of-photography.com/ "Pray, n:. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy." --Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)
2003-11-18 by john eckenrode
I use UT with a CIS on this printer with good results, much better than my expeience with the older VM inks I used before. With the news of late, FS apears to be going the way of VM. The UT family is simply better ink. John Eckenrode --- Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@...> wrote: > Hi, > I am about to buy MIS inks for a 1200 and wondered > if anyone had an opinion on whether the UT or FS > would be a safer bet for this printer. > > thanks, > Richard > -- > photos: http://photos.smallfield.vze.com > homepage: http://smallfield.vze.com > favourite website: > http://www.masters-of-photography.com/ > > > "Pray, n:. To ask that the laws of the universe > be annulled in > behalf of a single petitioner confessedly > unworthy." > --Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914) > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
2003-11-19 by Keith R.
I, too, use the MIS UT inkset in my 1200 w/CIS, and really like the results. I use the Eboni black and therefore have to print on matte stock, rather than glossy. I utilize the Roark nc curve most of the time, and am very happy with the results. Keep in mind that if the printer had other inks (specifically dye inks)run through the 1200, and you want the Eboni black, you need to do a very good purging to get rid of the previous inks, unless you like to deal with clogs! KeithR --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@p...> wrote: > Hi, > I am about to buy MIS inks for a 1200 and wondered if anyone had an opinion on whether the UT or FS would be a safer bet for this printer.
> > thanks, > Richard > -- > photos: http://photos.smallfield.vze.com > homepage: http://smallfield.vze.com > favourite website: http://www.masters-of-photography.com/ > > > "Pray, n:. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in > behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy." > --Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)
2003-11-19 by Keith Hollister
Since I have UT carts on the way for my 1280, I'm rather concerned about this caution. Exactly what process would you recommend I follow? Thanks
On Nov 18, 2003, at 8:18 PM, Keith R. wrote: > I, too, use the MIS UT inkset in my 1200 w/CIS, and really like the > results. I use the Eboni black and therefore have to print on matte > stock, rather than glossy. I utilize the Roark nc curve most of the > time, and am very happy with the results. Keep in mind that if the > printer had other inks (specifically dye inks)run through the 1200, > and you want the Eboni black, you need to do a very good purging to > get rid of the previous inks, unless you like to deal with clogs!
2003-11-19 by Keith R.
In going back thru the archives concerning the UT inks, the concern is that the Eboni(only) MAY have clogging issues IF you DO NOT clean/purge the dye inks out. I did not head this advise at first, but have since did a cleaning(windex method, soaking up the older ink off the pad, etc.)and have not had a real problem. I would classify this, too me, as more of a nussance than a problem. The results, far out way the "problem". If you have chosen the Photo Black, this is not an issue, as the are the other inks in the set. As I said, this "problem" only concerns the Eboni ink. KeithR --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Keith Hollister <khollist@b...> wrote: > Since I have UT carts on the way for my 1280, I'm rather concerned > about this caution. Exactly what process would you recommend I follow? > Thanks > > On Nov 18, 2003, at 8:18 PM, Keith R. wrote: > > > I, too, use the MIS UT inkset in my 1200 w/CIS, and really like the > > results. I use the Eboni black and therefore have to print on matte > > stock, rather than glossy. I utilize the Roark nc curve most of the > > time, and am very happy with the results. Keep in mind that if the > > printer had other inks (specifically dye inks)run through the 1200, > > and you want the Eboni black, you need to do a very good purging to > > get rid of the previous inks, unless you like to deal with clogs!
2003-11-19 by Keith Hollister
I ordered the Eboni. What I planned to do was print a few purge patterns and then clean the parking pad well. Maybe I should have ordered a black cleaning cart, too.
On Nov 18, 2003, at 9:08 PM, Keith R. wrote: > In going back thru the archives concerning the UT inks, the concern > is that the Eboni(only) MAY have clogging issues IF you DO NOT > clean/purge the dye inks out. I did not head this advise at first, > but have since did a cleaning(windex method, soaking up the older ink > off the pad, etc.)and have not had a real problem. I would classify > this, too me, as more of a nussance than a problem. The results, far > out way the "problem". If you have chosen the Photo Black, this is > not an issue, as the are the other inks in the set. As I said, > this "problem" only concerns the Eboni ink.
2003-11-19 by Keith R.
I think you are on the right track. Cleaning the pad, then letting it soak with some windex and paking the head over night, should do the trick quite nicely. Once you have it going, let us know how you like it. I compared it to what I use to use, the original MIS inks, and now the UT, and I definatly like the UT and the nc curve. But thats my choice. KeithR --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Keith Hollister <khollist@b...> wrote: > I ordered the Eboni. What I planned to do was print a few purge > patterns and then clean the parking pad well. Maybe I should have > ordered a black cleaning cart, too. > > On Nov 18, 2003, at 9:08 PM, Keith R. wrote: > > > In going back thru the archives concerning the UT inks, the concern > > is that the Eboni(only) MAY have clogging issues IF you DO NOT > > clean/purge the dye inks out. I did not head this advise at first, > > but have since did a cleaning(windex method, soaking up the older ink > > off the pad, etc.)and have not had a real problem. I would classify > > this, too me, as more of a nussance than a problem. The results, far
> > out way the "problem". If you have chosen the Photo Black, this is > > not an issue, as the are the other inks in the set. As I said, > > this "problem" only concerns the Eboni ink.
2003-11-19 by Richard Smallfield
At 02:18 PM Wednesday 11/19/03, you wrote: >Keep in mind that if the >printer had other inks (specifically dye inks)run through the 1200, >and you want the Eboni black, you need to do a very good purging to >get rid of the previous inks, unless you like to deal with clogs! Thanks for that - your advice does not include changing over from Epson colour ink though, does it? Richard -- photos: http://photos.smallfield.vze.com homepage: http://smallfield.vze.com favourite website: http://www.masters-of-photography.com/ "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." - Antoine de Saint Exupery
2003-11-19 by Stephen Kobrin
John, Are there curves available for the UT inks and the 1200? I thought that Paul Roark had not updated the curves for this printer? Which do you use? I would like to move from VM to UT, but have not because I assumed that appropriate curves were not available for the 1200. Steve --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, john eckenrode <ejohn182002@y...> wrote:
> I use UT with a CIS on this printer with good results, > much better than my expeience with the older VM inks I > used before. With the news of late, FS apears to be > going the way of VM. The UT family is simply better > ink. > John Eckenrode > > --- Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@p...> > wrote: > > Hi, > > I am about to buy MIS inks for a 1200 and wondered > > if anyone had an opinion on whether the UT or FS > > would be a safer bet for this printer. > > > > thanks, > > Richard > > -- > > photos: http://photos.smallfield.vze.com > > homepage: http://smallfield.vze.com > > favourite website: > > http://www.masters-of-photography.com/ > > > > > > "Pray, n:. To ask that the laws of the universe > > be annulled in > > behalf of a single petitioner confessedly > > unworthy." > > --Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914) > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
2003-11-19 by Keith R.
If you were running epson inks in your 1200, they most likly were dye based inks. Dye based inks, no matter who makes them, are still dye based. Someone may correct me, but I believe that all epson inks, other than the new Ultrachromes, and possibly the Durabright, are dye based. KeithR --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@p...> wrote: > At 02:18 PM Wednesday 11/19/03, you wrote: > >Keep in mind that if the > >printer had other inks (specifically dye inks)run through the 1200, > >and you want the Eboni black, you need to do a very good purging to > >get rid of the previous inks, unless you like to deal with clogs! > > Thanks for that - your advice does not include changing over from Epson colour ink though, does it?
> > Richard > > -- > photos: http://photos.smallfield.vze.com > homepage: http://smallfield.vze.com > favourite website: http://www.masters-of-photography.com/ > > > "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing > more to add, but when there is nothing left to take > away." > - Antoine de Saint Exupery
2003-11-19 by Keith R.
Hi There! I'm not John, but with his permission, I'd like to jump in. Yes, paul does have curves that work on the 1200 with UT inks. A visit to the MIS website will confirm it. I use the workflow on my 1200 w/ UT inks and am very plesed with the results. The first thing I did, was print out a subject, using a different curve on the same subject, to see how they printed. I do admit that the nc is my favorite. The link is: http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/workflow_roark.html This should take you right to Paul's workflow page. There you will find his curves for various printers. Good luck! KeithR --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Kobrin" <kobrins@w...> wrote:
> John, > > Are there curves available for the UT inks and the 1200? I thought > that Paul Roark had not updated the curves for this printer? Which > do you use? > > I would like to move from VM to UT, but have not because I assumed > that appropriate curves were not available for the 1200. > > Steve > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, john eckenrode > <ejohn182002@y...> wrote: > > I use UT with a CIS on this printer with good results, > > much better than my expeience with the older VM inks I > > used before. With the news of late, FS apears to be > > going the way of VM. The UT family is simply better > > ink. > > John Eckenrode > > > > --- Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@p...> > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I am about to buy MIS inks for a 1200 and wondered > > > if anyone had an opinion on whether the UT or FS > > > would be a safer bet for this printer. > > > > > > thanks, > > > Richard > > > -- > > > photos: http://photos.smallfield.vze.com > > > homepage: http://smallfield.vze.com > > > favourite website: > > > http://www.masters-of-photography.com/ > > > > > > > > > "Pray, n:. To ask that the laws of the universe > > > be annulled in > > > behalf of a single petitioner confessedly > > > unworthy." > > > --Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914) > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
2003-11-19 by Stephen Kobrin
Thanks Kieth. What I missed is that the curves for the MIS-VM inks, which I use now, will also work with the Ultratone inks. THanks again. Steve --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Keith R." <kjrslr@e...> wrote: > Hi There! > > I'm not John, but with his permission, I'd like to jump in. Yes, paul > does have curves that work on the 1200 with UT inks. A visit to the > MIS website will confirm it. I use the workflow on my 1200 w/ UT inks > and am very plesed with the results. The first thing I did, was print > out a subject, using a different curve on the same subject, to see > how they printed. I do admit that the nc is my favorite. The link is: > > http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/workflow_roark.html > > This should take you right to Paul's workflow page. There you will > find his curves for various printers. > Good luck! > > KeithR > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Kobrin" > <kobrins@w...> wrote: > > John, > > > > Are there curves available for the UT inks and the 1200? I thought > > that Paul Roark had not updated the curves for this printer? Which > > do you use? > > > > I would like to move from VM to UT, but have not because I assumed > > that appropriate curves were not available for the 1200. > > > > Steve > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, john eckenrode
> > <ejohn182002@y...> wrote: > > > I use UT with a CIS on this printer with good results, > > > much better than my expeience with the older VM inks I > > > used before. With the news of late, FS apears to be > > > going the way of VM. The UT family is simply better > > > ink. > > > John Eckenrode > > > > > > --- Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I am about to buy MIS inks for a 1200 and wondered > > > > if anyone had an opinion on whether the UT or FS > > > > would be a safer bet for this printer. > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > Richard > > > > -- > > > > photos: http://photos.smallfield.vze.com > > > > homepage: http://smallfield.vze.com > > > > favourite website: > > > > http://www.masters-of-photography.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > "Pray, n:. To ask that the laws of the universe > > > > be annulled in > > > > behalf of a single petitioner confessedly > > > > unworthy." > > > > --Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
2003-11-19 by Richard Smallfield
At 04:58 AM Thursday 11/20/03, you wrote: >If you were running epson inks in your 1200, they most likly were dye >based inks. Dye based inks, no matter who makes them, are still dye >based. Someone may correct me, but I believe that all epson inks, >other than the new Ultrachromes, and possibly the Durabright, are dye >based. From my reading of the MIS site, they say that Epson inks are compatible with MIS inks, because they have the same pH. They say that Lyson and Luminos are *not* compatible, because they have a different pH, which causes sludge when it encounters the MIS ink. There is nothing on the site that I have seen, that states that the UT inks or Eboni in particular, require different procedures from the other MIS inks when they are first installed. Have you found MIS to be overoptimistic in their claims? I take it you have learned from hard experience. If anyone else has information on this, I would appreciate hearing it. thanks, Richard -- photos: http://photos.smallfield.vze.com homepage: http://smallfield.vze.com favourite website: http://www.masters-of-photography.com/ "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." --John Stuart Mill
2003-11-19 by Keith R.
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@p...> wrote: > At 04:58 AM Thursday 11/20/03, you wrote: > .....There is nothing on the site that I have seen, that states that the UT inks or Eboni in particular, require different procedures from the other MIS inks when they are first installed. From the MIS site:..The Ultra-Tones will mix fine with MIS Original Archival, Original Quadtone, VM and FS inks, but not with MIS Dyebase or Double Density Black. Always start with virgin empty CFS carts to be safe. The information on the Eboni ink can be found within the archives on this forum. It's the comments from Mr. Roark, (who has done a tremendous amount of testing and work in developing the formulas, that MIS uses to produce the UT inks) that I have heeded. He cautioned that there could be a problem going from one ink to the Eboni, and I found it to be true(IN MY CASE). > Have you found MIS to be overoptimistic in their claims? I take it you have learned from hard experience. Not in the least. As their statement, above states, to start with a virgin cart. I did, but I did not throughly clean out the print head. The little bit of ink in the print head, and on the pad, was enough to start some clogs. Since then, I have recleaned eveything and have not had nearly the problem. If I don't print for awhile, I MAY develop a clog , in the black(eboni) position, but I expected this as the eboni has a higher density of pigments than the other inks. Other factors can contribute to clogs, other than the ink used, such as the fact that I use 100% cotton papers, the temperature and humidity in the room I have my digital darkroom in. I have even read that altitude can possibly cause problems with pigmented inks due to their higher densities than dye inks. Am I happy with the UT inkset? You bet I am! MIS has put out an affordable pigmented inkset that, along with the work that Mr roark has done, I am able to use in a printer that was not designed for this type of ink, and get the results that I was looking for back in 2000, when I decided to look into inks, papers and a printer, that I could dedicate to B&W printing. > > If anyone else has information on this, I would appreciate hearing it.
> > thanks, > Richard > > -- > photos: http://photos.smallfield.vze.com > homepage: http://smallfield.vze.com > favourite website: http://www.masters-of-photography.com/ > > "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid > people are conservatives." > --John Stuart Mill
2003-11-19 by Richard Smallfield
At 11:07 AM Thursday 11/20/03, you wrote: >From the MIS site:..The Ultra-Tones will mix fine with MIS Original >Archival, Original Quadtone, VM and FS inks, but not with MIS Dyebase >or Double Density Black. Always start with virgin empty CFS carts to >be safe. Thanks - I'm doing that, but assume that, from your experience, I should buy a cleaning cart as well, to be safe. I looked at everything I could find on the MIS site to see what they said on the subject, but hadn't found the above comment - I don't find it the easiest site to navigate around. thanks again, Richard -- photos: http://photos.smallfield.vze.com homepage: http://smallfield.vze.com favourite website: http://www.masters-of-photography.com/ "Give sorrow words: the grief that does not speak whispers the o'er-fraught heart and bids it break." --William Shakespeare, "Macbeth'
2003-11-20 by Keith R.
At the MIS website, the tool bar at the top, the drop down under MIS inksets, then down to B&W inks, and go from there. I sent an email to you concerning cleaning, but also try this: http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/cone_ts/index.html click on clogging issues, the #9, the clog from hell This should get you going. KeithR --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@p...> wrote: > At 11:07 AM Thursday 11/20/03, you wrote: > >From the MIS site:..The Ultra-Tones will mix fine with MIS Original > >Archival, Original Quadtone, VM and FS inks, but not with MIS Dyebase > >or Double Density Black. Always start with virgin empty CFS carts to > >be safe. > > Thanks - I'm doing that, but assume that, from your experience, I should buy a cleaning cart as well, to be safe. > > I looked at everything I could find on the MIS site to see what they said on the subject, but hadn't found the above comment - I don't find it the easiest site to navigate around.
> > thanks again, > Richard > -- > photos: http://photos.smallfield.vze.com > homepage: http://smallfield.vze.com > favourite website: http://www.masters-of-photography.com/ > > "Give sorrow words: the grief that does not speak whispers > the o'er-fraught heart and bids it break." > --William Shakespeare, "Macbeth'
2003-11-20 by john eckenrode
i mostly use QTR, but when I do use paul's curves, i just use the old VM 1200 curves, on photo rag they still work great. je --- Stephen Kobrin <kobrins@...> wrote: > John, > > Are there curves available for the UT inks and the > 1200? I thought > that Paul Roark had not updated the curves for this > printer? Which > do you use? > > I would like to move from VM to UT, but have not > because I assumed > that appropriate curves were not available for the > 1200. > > Steve > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > john eckenrode > <ejohn182002@y...> wrote: > > I use UT with a CIS on this printer with good > results, > > much better than my expeience with the older VM > inks I > > used before. With the news of late, FS apears to > be > > going the way of VM. The UT family is simply > better > > ink. > > John Eckenrode > > > > --- Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@p...> > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I am about to buy MIS inks for a 1200 and > wondered > > > if anyone had an opinion on whether the UT or FS > > > would be a safer bet for this printer. > > > > > > thanks, > > > Richard > > > -- > > > photos: http://photos.smallfield.vze.com > > > homepage: http://smallfield.vze.com > > > favourite website: > > > http://www.masters-of-photography.com/ > > > > > > > > > "Pray, n:. To ask that the laws of the > universe > > > be annulled in > > > behalf of a single petitioner confessedly > > > unworthy." > > > --Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914) > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail > AddressGuard > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/