Digital BW, The Print

Hello:

I just set up a new (it's been in a box since early last year) Epson Photo 1280 
to print an exhibit of my student's work. I never installed the OEM Epson color 
cartridges, but instead, installed a set of MIS VM hextone cartridges that were 
just delivered yesterday.

I installed the Epson driver on my Apple G4 (OS X 10.2.8) and followed the 
directions for installing the MIS cartridges (two cleaning cycles). I cannot get it 
to print an image out of PhotoShop, nor even the Epson head nozzle test 
pattern.

It sends the data to the 1280, the machine goes through the motions of 
printing, but no ink is laid on the paper. I cleaned the head three times and 
then quit trying.

I'm on a deadline for the exhibit, so any advice and help would be most 
welcome.

Thank you,

Joel Beeson

* -----Original Message-----
* From: Joel Beeson [mailto:bluzdoctor@...] 
* Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:44 PM
* To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
* Subject: [Digital BW] I'm on a deadline...Epson 1280 doesn't 
* print...help!
* 
* 
* Hello:
* 
* I just set up a new (it's been in a box since early last 
* year) Epson Photo 1280 
* to print an exhibit of my student's work. I never installed 
* the OEM Epson color 
* cartridges, but instead, installed a set of MIS VM hextone 
* cartridges that were 
* just delivered yesterday.
* 
* I installed the Epson driver on my Apple G4 (OS X 10.2.8) and 
* followed the 
* directions for installing the MIS cartridges (two cleaning 
* cycles). I cannot get it 
* to print an image out of PhotoShop, nor even the Epson head 
* nozzle test 
* pattern.
* 
* It sends the data to the 1280, the machine goes through the 
* motions of 
* printing, but no ink is laid on the paper. I cleaned the head 
* three times and 
* then quit trying.
* 
* I'm on a deadline for the exhibit, so any advice and help 
* would be most 
* welcome.
* 
Joel,

Check and make sure you removed the tape covering the vent holes in the top
of the cartridges. If the vent holes are not open the ink can't flow out.

If they are properly vented put in the Epson cartridges and see what you
get. If those are not working then you have a problem with the printer.

Martin Wesley
http://www.carolyn.cc/Guests/MartinWesley/pages/MW_01.html
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html

pull the MIS carts out but be careful as they may have issues.
put in the epson carts and nozzle check and purge pattern print until
you get a clean nozzle check and a decent print.
 
re install the MIS carts and nozzle check and purge pattern.
 
if this doesn't work your carts are hosed.
 
btb

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Beeson [mailto:bluzdoctor@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 14:44
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] I'm on a deadline...Epson 1280 doesn't
print...help!


Hello:

I just set up a new (it's been in a box since early last year) Epson
Photo 1280 
to print an exhibit of my student's work. I never installed the OEM
Epson color 
cartridges, but instead, installed a set of MIS VM hextone cartridges
that were 
just delivered yesterday.

I installed the Epson driver on my Apple G4 (OS X 10.2.8) and followed
the 
directions for installing the MIS cartridges (two cleaning cycles). I
cannot get it 
to print an image out of PhotoShop, nor even the Epson head nozzle test 
pattern.

It sends the data to the 1280, the machine goes through the motions of 
printing, but no ink is laid on the paper. I cleaned the head three
times and 
then quit trying.

I'm on a deadline for the exhibit, so any advice and help would be most 
welcome.

Thank you,




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Martin:

Thanks for your speedy advice; I did pull off the tape before installing the 
cartridges. In fact, I pushed a pin through the vent hole in the black cartridge 
to make sure...there was a "grainy" sound as though the cartridge contained 
lots of solids. I'll try the Epson color cartridges. One question;

How do I clean out the color ink when I do switch back to the hextone 
cartridges?

Thanks,

Joel

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Wesley" <
mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> 
> 
> * -----Original Message-----
> * From: Joel Beeson [mailto:bluzdoctor@y...] 
> * Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:44 PM
> * To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> * Subject: [Digital BW] I'm on a deadline...Epson 1280 doesn't 
> * print...help!
> * 
> * 
> * Hello:
> * 
> * I just set up a new (it's been in a box since early last 
> * year) Epson Photo 1280 
> * to print an exhibit of my student's work. I never installed 
> * the OEM Epson color 
> * cartridges, but instead, installed a set of MIS VM hextone 
> * cartridges that were 
> * just delivered yesterday.
> * 
> * I installed the Epson driver on my Apple G4 (OS X 10.2.8) and 
> * followed the 
> * directions for installing the MIS cartridges (two cleaning 
> * cycles). I cannot get it 
> * to print an image out of PhotoShop, nor even the Epson head 
> * nozzle test 
> * pattern.
> * 
> * It sends the data to the 1280, the machine goes through the 
> * motions of 
> * printing, but no ink is laid on the paper. I cleaned the head 
> * three times and 
> * then quit trying.
> * 
> * I'm on a deadline for the exhibit, so any advice and help 
> * would be most 
> * welcome.
> * 
> Joel,
> 
> Check and make sure you removed the tape covering the vent holes in the 
top

> of the cartridges. If the vent holes are not open the ink can't flow out.
> 
> If they are properly vented put in the Epson cartridges and see what you
> get. If those are not working then you have a problem with the printer.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> http://www.carolyn.cc/Guests/MartinWesley/pages/MW_01.html
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html

AAAAARgh!

The printer acts the same with the Epson carts. Does this mean that I cannot  
fix it w/o sending the printer back to Epson?

Joel


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Brentley Beerline" <
brentley_beerline@y...> wrote:

> pull the MIS carts out but be careful as they may have issues.
> put in the epson carts and nozzle check and purge pattern print until
> you get a clean nozzle check and a decent print.
>  
> re install the MIS carts and nozzle check and purge pattern.
>  
> if this doesn't work your carts are hosed.
>  
> btb
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel Beeson [mailto:bluzdoctor@y...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 14:44
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] I'm on a deadline...Epson 1280 doesn't
> print...help!
> 
> 
> Hello:
> 
> I just set up a new (it's been in a box since early last year) Epson
> Photo 1280 
> to print an exhibit of my student's work. I never installed the OEM
> Epson color 
> cartridges, but instead, installed a set of MIS VM hextone cartridges
> that were 
> just delivered yesterday.
> 
> I installed the Epson driver on my Apple G4 (OS X 10.2.8) and followed
> the 
> directions for installing the MIS cartridges (two cleaning cycles). I
> cannot get it 
> to print an image out of PhotoShop, nor even the Epson head nozzle test 
> pattern.
> 
> It sends the data to the 1280, the machine goes through the motions of 
> printing, but no ink is laid on the paper. I cleaned the head three
> times and 
> then quit trying.
> 
> I'm on a deadline for the exhibit, so any advice and help would be most 
> welcome.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This may seem like an idiotic question to an answer, but are you sure
the nozzles are piercing through the plastic and rubber seals?

Eileen

Joel Beeson wrote:

> 
> AAAAARgh!
> 
> The printer acts the same with the Epson carts. Does this mean that I cannot
> fix it w/o sending the printer back to Epson?
> 
> Joel

* -----Original Message-----
* From: Joel Beeson [mailto:bluzdoctor@yahoo.com] 
* Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:40 PM
* To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
* Subject: Re: [Digital BW] I'm on a deadline...Epson 1280 
* doesn't print...help!
* 
*
* 
* How do I clean out the color ink when I do switch back to the hextone 
* cartridges?
* 
Joel,

The MIS-VM and Epson inks are compatible and the Epson carts make good
cleaning carts for this system.

Since you are not getting anything out of the Epson carts (and if the outlet
seals are getting properly broken as Eileen mentioned) then you may need to
deal with Epson customer support. If nothing is coming through on any
channel or nozzle it if probably an electronic problem.

If you are still within the one year warranty and if you call they will ship
you a refurbished printer and you send the defective one back in the box the
new one came in. I did this once and the new printer arrived within 24
hours. With the holiday you probably wouldn't get it until Monday or Tuesday
but nothing to lose by calling them now and starting the process.

These things always seem to happen when you have a deadline. When mine went
I wound up going to the nearest CompUSA and paying full list for another
one.

Keep up posted on how it turns out.

Martin

Hi All:

Yes, it appears the nozzles are piercing the rubber/plastic seals as there is 
some ink leaking out...

I don't know if it is still on the warranty; trouble is I bought it and it has been 
sitting in the box as we moved across country and then I started teaching, so 
this is the first time I opened the box.

But I will try to convince Epson.

I will let you know what happens. I appreciate the helpful advice.

Best,

Joel

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Wesley" <
mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> 
> 
> * -----Original Message-----
> * From: Joel Beeson [mailto:bluzdoctor@y...] 
> * Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:40 PM
> * To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> * Subject: Re: [Digital BW] I'm on a deadline...Epson 1280 
> * doesn't print...help!
> * 
> *
> * 
> * How do I clean out the color ink when I do switch back to the hextone 
> * cartridges?
> * 
> Joel,
> 
> The MIS-VM and Epson inks are compatible and the Epson carts make 
good
> cleaning carts for this system.
> 
> Since you are not getting anything out of the Epson carts (and if the outlet
> seals are getting properly broken as Eileen mentioned) then you may need 
to
> deal with Epson customer support. If nothing is coming through on any
> channel or nozzle it if probably an electronic problem.
> 
> If you are still within the one year warranty and if you call they will ship
> you a refurbished printer and you send the defective one back in the box the
> new one came in. I did this once and the new printer arrived within 24
> hours. With the holiday you probably wouldn't get it until Monday or 
Tuesday
> but nothing to lose by calling them now and starting the process.
> 
> These things always seem to happen when you have a deadline. When 
mine went

> I wound up going to the nearest CompUSA and paying full list for another
> one.
> 
> Keep up posted on how it turns out.
> 
> Martin

Ok, I got the printer working after doing what Epson Tech Support told me to 
do...that is go through 10 nozzle cleaning cycles with the Epson color carts.

I have reinstalled the MIS VM carts and am using Somerset Photo Enhanced 
Velvet. I tried printing a file out of PhotoShop (toned it, converted to grayscale, 
applied Roark curve for neutral and converted back to RGB). The image looks 
awful. After I applied the Roark curve, it lost a lot of shadow and highlight 
detail and became very contrasty.

What am I doing wrong?  The image looks better w/o the Roark curves, but 
exhibits some posterization/metamerism-look on the Somerset.

Should I use the ICC profiles off the Legion paper site?

Thank you in advance for any help.

JB


-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Beeson" <
bluzdoctor@y...> wrote:
> Hi All:
> 
> Yes, it appears the nozzles are piercing the rubber/plastic seals as there is 
> some ink leaking out...
> 
> I don't know if it is still on the warranty; trouble is I bought it and it has been 
> sitting in the box as we moved across country and then I started teaching, so 
> this is the first time I opened the box.
> 
> But I will try to convince Epson.
> 
> I will let you know what happens. I appreciate the helpful advice.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Joel
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Wesley" <
> mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > * -----Original Message-----
> > * From: Joel Beeson [mailto:bluzdoctor@y...] 
> > * Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:40 PM
> > * To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > * Subject: Re: [Digital BW] I'm on a deadline...Epson 1280 
> > * doesn't print...help!
> > * 
> > *
> > * 
> > * How do I clean out the color ink when I do switch back to the hextone 
> > * cartridges?
> > * 
> > Joel,
> > 
> > The MIS-VM and Epson inks are compatible and the Epson carts make 
> good
> > cleaning carts for this system.
> > 
> > Since you are not getting anything out of the Epson carts (and if the outlet
> > seals are getting properly broken as Eileen mentioned) then you may 
need 
> to
> > deal with Epson customer support. If nothing is coming through on any
> > channel or nozzle it if probably an electronic problem.
> > 
> > If you are still within the one year warranty and if you call they will ship
> > you a refurbished printer and you send the defective one back in the box 
the

> > new one came in. I did this once and the new printer arrived within 24
> > hours. With the holiday you probably wouldn't get it until Monday or 
> Tuesday
> > but nothing to lose by calling them now and starting the process.
> > 
> > These things always seem to happen when you have a deadline. When 
> mine went
> > I wound up going to the nearest CompUSA and paying full list for another
> > one.
> > 
> > Keep up posted on how it turns out.
> > 
> > Martin

Joel Beeson wrote:

>Ok, I got the printer working after doing what Epson Tech Support told me to 
>do...that is go through 10 nozzle cleaning cycles with the Epson color carts.
>
>I have reinstalled the MIS VM carts and am using Somerset Photo Enhanced 
>Velvet. I tried printing a file out of PhotoShop (toned it, converted to grayscale, 
>applied Roark curve for neutral and converted back to RGB). The image looks 
>awful. After I applied the Roark curve, it lost a lot of shadow and highlight 
>detail and became very contrasty.
>
>What am I doing wrong?  The image looks better w/o the Roark curves, but 
>exhibits some posterization/metamerism-look on the Somerset.
>  
>
1) The Roark Curve needs to be applied AFTER you convert back to RGB..

2)  your color management in the printer driver needs to be disabled

3)   If you're working with Photoshop 7, you also need to "Print with 
preview" and set the "print Space" Profile to "same as source."

 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," and caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
 
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"

Keith;

Thank you for the help. Does it matter if I print a file as a tif or jpg? Also, 
should I use the Legion-supplied ICC profiles for the printer?

Best,

Joel


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor P.O.V. Image 
Service" <editor@p...> wrote:
> Joel Beeson wrote:
> 
> >Ok, I got the printer working after doing what Epson Tech Support told me 
to 
> >do...that is go through 10 nozzle cleaning cycles with the Epson color 
carts.
> >
> >I have reinstalled the MIS VM carts and am using Somerset Photo 
Enhanced 
> >Velvet. I tried printing a file out of PhotoShop (toned it, converted to 
grayscale, 
> >applied Roark curve for neutral and converted back to RGB). The image 
looks 

> >awful. After I applied the Roark curve, it lost a lot of shadow and highlight 
> >detail and became very contrasty.
> >
> >What am I doing wrong?  The image looks better w/o the Roark curves, but 
> >exhibits some posterization/metamerism-look on the Somerset.
> >  
> >
> 1) The Roark Curve needs to be applied AFTER you convert back to RGB..
> 
> 2)  your color management in the printer driver needs to be disabled
> 
> 3)   If you're working with Photoshop 7, you also need to "Print with 
> preview" and set the "print Space" Profile to "same as source."
> 
>  
> Keith Krebs
> 
> "Just some guy," and caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
> User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
> Publications), at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
>  
> "For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
> guys"