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2003-12-12 by wayfaringpilgrim
Has anyone developed a solid Epson 2000P and Ultratone ink workflow? I've tried to adapting Paul Roark's 1280 curves and have even tried creating custom QuadToneRip curves ... but have remained dissatisfied with the results. Anyone having success with this combination? Should I just give up and by a 1280? Steven D. Johnson
2003-12-13 by Paul Roark
You might want to try UT-2 when it's available and see if that will work with the printer. It's a much easier inkset to tame because the ink densities are close to what the printers are designed for. It might be that sliders will give reasonable tonal control. Paul www.PaulRoark.com _____________________________
-----Original Message----- From: wayfaringpilgrim [mailto:steverinojohnson@...] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:23 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 2000P and UT workflow? Has anyone developed a solid Epson 2000P and Ultratone ink workflow? I've tried to adapting Paul Roark's 1280 curves and have even tried creating custom QuadToneRip curves ... but have remained dissatisfied with the results. Anyone having success with this combination? Should I just give up and by a 1280? Steven D. Johnson Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-12-13 by wayfaringpilgrim
Thanks Paul. I assume that I would still need to purchase the 1280 carts (for UT-2) and then rechip them? Or will MIS be offering a 2000P cart? Steve --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> You might want to try UT-2 when it's available and see if that will work > with the printer. It's a much easier inkset to tame because the ink > densities are close to what the printers are designed for. It might be that > sliders will give reasonable tonal control. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > _____________________________ > > -----Original Message----- > From: wayfaringpilgrim [mailto:steverinojohnson@m...] > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:23 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 2000P and UT workflow? > > Has anyone developed a solid Epson 2000P and Ultratone ink workflow? I've > tried to > adapting Paul Roark's 1280 curves and have even tried creating custom > QuadToneRip > curves ... but have remained dissatisfied with the results. Anyone having > success with > this combination? Should I just give up and by a 1280? > > Steven D. Johnson >
2003-12-13 by pathensley1
I just bought the UT set a week ago, hooked up one of my 2000p's, & I've been struggling to get a smooth gradation ever since. The curves I downloaded for the 2000p just aren't quite right for my setup (using Epson matte & Vesta lustre). First, I have to do a 90 to 97 curve in rgb just to get the print as dark as my monitor (I'm calibrated perfectly for color) - this gives me a fairly decent gradation on the test strip, but still off enough in some steps to cause odd posterization on some prints. Are there folks using UT-1 w/the Epson 2000p's successfully? If so, I'd love to hear from you & try your curves. Could I be missing something in the workflow causing my disappointing results? - I've read the workflow pages many times over & can't find the problem. I don't have a 1280 to throw into the mix, but I can certainly convert & dedicate the UT-1/2000p CFS over to my 1270 w/minimum fuss & expense (just 1 empty color cartridge) if I can expect better results. If I just need to take my curves, my printed test strips, my flatbed scanner & the PS eyedropper & play w/the curves I've got until I get good results, then I'm prepared to do that - I just need some expert advice on where to start. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > You might want to try UT-2 when it's available and see if that will work > with the printer. It's a much easier inkset to tame because the ink > densities are close to what the printers are designed for. It might be that > sliders will give reasonable tonal control. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > _____________________________ > > -----Original Message----- > From: wayfaringpilgrim [mailto:steverinojohnson@m...] > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:23 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 2000P and UT workflow? > > Has anyone developed a solid Epson 2000P and Ultratone ink workflow? I've > tried to > adapting Paul Roark's 1280 curves and have even tried creating custom > QuadToneRip > curves ... but have remained dissatisfied with the results. Anyone having
> success with > this combination? Should I just give up and by a 1280? > > Steven D. Johnson > >
2003-12-13 by jbryant8159
Steven, I am trying to do exactly what you are. I have found I like one of Paul's curves for the VMS inks for the 1290. It is "vms1290-gs1" and it's not one the curves that makes the color go all whacked out. It appears to be more of a general balanced lightening overall. I am on a MAC but would assume it would work on a PC since it is claimed to be cross platform. When I go to print with preview in PS7 I set the source color space as Adobe98 and the output as Same as Source. When the next window appears I go into the advanced menu and select No Color Adjustment. Of couse all other settings are as would be appropriate (Archival Matte as paper type, Color on, High speed off, etc.). On good full range images it gives a nice uniform warm grey on EEM. Nice gradations too. I did find, however on a dull and flattish image (which I want that way on purpose) there were some flat spots and lost detail in transitions from dark to mid tone grey. I'm thinking the curve may not be appropriate for such low key images. Also, I'm wondering if some of these problems could be due to the infamous driver update that was released to reduce metamerism in 2002. I noticed that my outputs got a lot grainier after that update and am going to try installing the old driver to see what effect that has. I haven't given up yet on this old dog as it's a great device in general and was made for pigmented inks in the first place. Good luck to you. Jeff --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "wayfaringpilgrim" <steverinojohnson@m...> wrote: > Has anyone developed a solid Epson 2000P and Ultratone ink workflow? I've tried to > adapting Paul Roark's 1280 curves and have even tried creating custom QuadToneRip > curves ... but have remained dissatisfied with the results. Anyone having success with
> this combination? Should I just give up and by a 1280? > > Steven D. Johnson
2003-12-13 by wayfaringpilgrim
Jeff, Thanks for your response. Did you mean that you are using ultratone inks with the 1290 vms curve (or are you using the vms inks)? I'm also using a Mac running OS X 10.2.8. I'd like to try your suggestion for the vms curve, but unfortunately I just ran out of ink. I'm thinking about waiting for the UT-2 inks to come out before re-ordering. What's your plan? Steve --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jbryant8159" <jbryant8159@y...> wrote:
> Steven, I am trying to do exactly what you are. I have found I like > one of Paul's curves for the VMS inks for the 1290. It is > "vms1290-gs1" and it's not one the curves that makes the color go all > whacked out. It appears to be more of a general balanced lightening > overall. I am on a MAC but would assume it would work on a PC since > it is claimed to be cross platform. > > When I go to print with preview in PS7 I set the source color space as > Adobe98 and the output as Same as Source. When the next window > appears I go into the advanced menu and select No Color Adjustment. > Of couse all other settings are as would be appropriate (Archival > Matte as paper type, Color on, High speed off, etc.). On good full > range images it gives a nice uniform warm grey on EEM. Nice > gradations too. I did find, however on a dull and flattish image > (which I want that way on purpose) there were some flat spots and lost > detail in transitions from dark to mid tone grey. I'm thinking the > curve may not be appropriate for such low key images. Also, I'm > wondering if some of these problems could be due to the infamous > driver update that was > released to reduce metamerism in 2002. I noticed that my outputs got > a lot grainier after that update and am going to try installing the > old driver to see what effect that has. I haven't given up yet on > this old dog as it's a great device in general and was made for > pigmented inks in the first place. Good luck to you. > > Jeff > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > "wayfaringpilgrim" <steverinojohnson@m...> wrote: > > Has anyone developed a solid Epson 2000P and Ultratone ink workflow? > I've tried to > > adapting Paul Roark's 1280 curves and have even tried creating > custom QuadToneRip > > curves ... but have remained dissatisfied with the results. Anyone > having success with > > this combination? Should I just give up and by a 1280? > > > > Steven D. Johnson
2003-12-13 by Paul Roark
Steve, I was thinking you might want to try loading UT-2 (bulk) into empty 2000P carts, if they exist. It's just a stab in the dark. I don't know how close the ink densities are. Paul www.PaulRoark.com ____________________________________
-----Original Message----- From: wayfaringpilgrim [mailto:steverinojohnson@...] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 4:52 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 2000P and UT workflow? Thanks Paul. I assume that I would still need to purchase the 1280 carts (for UT-2) and then rechip them? Or will MIS be offering a 2000P cart? Steve --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > You might want to try UT-2 when it's available and see if that will work > with the printer. It's a much easier inkset to tame because the ink > densities are close to what the printers are designed for. It might be that > sliders will give reasonable tonal control. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > _____________________________ > > -----Original Message----- > From: wayfaringpilgrim [mailto:steverinojohnson@m...] > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:23 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 2000P and UT workflow? > > Has anyone developed a solid Epson 2000P and Ultratone ink workflow? I've > tried to > adapting Paul Roark's 1280 curves and have even tried creating custom > QuadToneRip > curves ... but have remained dissatisfied with the results. Anyone having > success with > this combination? Should I just give up and by a 1280? > > Steven D. Johnson > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-12-14 by Paul D. DeRocco
> From: wayfaringpilgrim [mailto:steverinojohnson@...] > > Thanks Paul. I assume that I would still need to purchase the 1280 carts > (for UT-2) > and then rechip them? Or will MIS be offering a 2000P cart? I wish they would. We can't be the only people who have a leftover 2000P that they'd like to dedicate to B&W. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco@...
2003-12-14 by jbryant8159
hi Steve, sorry it took so long to get back to you. I am using the UT inkset with Eboni black. Testing this on EEM because it's fairly inexpensive. I had to buy the 1280 carts and swap the chips from some old OEM 2000p carts. The printer did not recognized the chips that came on the UT carts even after resetting. I have ordered the 4oz. bulk ink and some virgin 1280 carts that I will refill and rechip. I'll wait and see how UT-2 is received before commiting to that. Some of the UT-2 workflow is based on using the sliders and I have never gotten good results with those controls, plus I like the tone I am getting with the UT. Makes a beautiful print with a high quality image but ones with less range have some chunky transitions. Hopefully a little tweak to the VMS1290-GS1 curve is all that is needed Jeff --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "wayfaringpilgrim" <steverinojohnson@m...> wrote: > Jeff, > > Thanks for your response. Did you mean that you are using ultratone inks with the > 1290 vms curve (or are you using the vms inks)? > > I'm also using a Mac running OS X 10.2.8. I'd like to try your suggestion for the vms > curve, but unfortunately I just ran out of ink. I'm thinking about waiting for the UT-2
> inks to come out before re-ordering. What's your plan? > > Steve > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jbryant8159" > <jbryant8159@y...> wrote: > > Steven, I am trying to do exactly what you are. I have found I like > > one of Paul's curves for the VMS inks for the 1290. It is > > "vms1290-gs1" and it's not one the curves that makes the color go all > > whacked out. It appears to be more of a general balanced lightening > > overall. I am on a MAC but would assume it would work on a PC since > > it is claimed to be cross platform. > > > > When I go to print with preview in PS7 I set the source color space as > > Adobe98 and the output as Same as Source. When the next window > > appears I go into the advanced menu and select No Color Adjustment. > > Of couse all other settings are as would be appropriate (Archival > > Matte as paper type, Color on, High speed off, etc.). On good full > > range images it gives a nice uniform warm grey on EEM. Nice > > gradations too. I did find, however on a dull and flattish image > > (which I want that way on purpose) there were some flat spots and lost > > detail in transitions from dark to mid tone grey. I'm thinking the > > curve may not be appropriate for such low key images. Also, I'm > > wondering if some of these problems could be due to the infamous > > driver update that was > > released to reduce metamerism in 2002. I noticed that my outputs got > > a lot grainier after that update and am going to try installing the > > old driver to see what effect that has. I haven't given up yet on > > this old dog as it's a great device in general and was made for > > pigmented inks in the first place. Good luck to you. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > > "wayfaringpilgrim" <steverinojohnson@m...> wrote: > > > Has anyone developed a solid Epson 2000P and Ultratone ink workflow? > > I've tried to > > > adapting Paul Roark's 1280 curves and have even tried creating > > custom QuadToneRip > > > curves ... but have remained dissatisfied with the results. Anyone > > having success with > > > this combination? Should I just give up and by a 1280? > > > > > > Steven D. Johnson