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MIS Ultratone - Longevity Tests

MIS Ultratone - Longevity Tests

2004-06-06 by darajani

I was wondering if anybody had seen these test results posted on a 
gum printing site, which seem to indicate 400-600 years longevity for 
Ultratone inks on certain papers with fixatives applied:

http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg2d2.htm

I'm not sure about the methodology here, as there are terms thrown 
around that I don't quite understand (neutral gray band test?).  But 
the numbers seem impressive and I'm curious if similar tests have 
been done elsewhere for prints with fixatives (like Clearshield or 
Lascaux) applied.

Mike

Re:Ultratone-Longevity Tests-What ever happened to Hydrocote?

2004-06-06 by John Vitollo

Reading Livick.com longevity pages reminded me of Paul's Hydrocote coating tests a 
couple of years ago. What was the final verdict for Hydrocote?

http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/coating.html

http://hydrocote.com/our_products.htm 

http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg2d2.htm

The Livick site recommends:

http://www.clearstarcorp.com/clearshield.asp

Thanks,

John V.

Horizontal banding

2004-06-06 by Arthur Fink

Just started printing on a new (used) Epson 3000, using the old Cone 
driver, MIS/FSN inks, Hannemuhle 308 photo rag paper.  8-1/2 x 11 prints 
have been fine.  Now I just did an 11x17, and it has bands running 
lengthwise on the print (in the direction of paper travel through the 
printer)... slightly dark areas.  Everything on the printer seems to be 
clean, nozzle check and alignment show perfect.  Any idea where else to look?

Arthur Fink

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Re: Horizontal banding

2004-06-07 by Clayton Jones

Hello Arthur,

>have been fine.  Now I just did an 11x17, and it has bands running 
>lengthwise on the print (in the direction of paper travel through 
>the printer)... slightly dark areas.  Everything on the printer 
>seems to be clean, nozzle check and alignment show perfect.  

Something similar happened to me once.  While researching digicams I
downloaded and printed several sample images from dpreview.com.  One
of them had slightly dark bands running horizontally through the
landscape oriented print, opposite to head travel.  They were evenly
spaced, about 3/16" wide.  Didn't look anything like microbanding or
dither banding.  At first I thought the printer was goofy, but other
prints were fine.  That print always had it.  I couldn't see anything
in the image on screen.  Never did figure it out.

So try other images and see what happens.

Regards,
Clayton


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RE: [Digital BW] MIS Ultratone - Longevity Tests

2004-06-07 by Paul Roark

Mike,

At http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg2d2.htm, about 1/3 of the way down
the page, Livick seems to have some tests that indicate up to a 681 year
longevity for MIS Ultra Tone ink printed with a 1280.

Livick uses outside direct sun for testing, as best I can tell.  I don't
think he even uses a plain glass between the sun and the test strip.  So,
there is a lot of very short wavelength UV in the light source.  Plain
window glass usually filters this out in indoor display.  With this light
source, coatings that have a UV absorber in them will probably have a major
advantage, which might not be the case in normal indoor display.
Clearshield has such a UV absorber.  Lascaux spray and Hydrocote do not.

Livick seems to have been looking at various combinations of sprays and
coatings.  I don't really understand all the test results, but,
needless-to-say, I'm pleased to see the Ultra Tone ink doing so well.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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From: darajani [mailto:heathmg@...] 
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 9:03 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] MIS Ultratone - Longevity Tests

I was wondering if anybody had seen these test results posted on a 
gum printing site, which seem to indicate 400-600 years longevity for 
Ultratone inks on certain papers with fixatives applied:

http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg2d2.htm

I'm not sure about the methodology here, as there are terms thrown 
around that I don't quite understand (neutral gray band test?).  But 
the numbers seem impressive and I'm curious if similar tests have 
been done elsewhere for prints with fixatives (like Clearshield or 
Lascaux) applied.

Mike 





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RE: [Digital BW] Re:Ultratone-Longevity Tests-What ever happened to Hydrocote?

2004-06-07 by Paul Roark

John,

I stopped pursuing the Hydrocote-Mayer rod coating.  There were several
reasons for this.  I could not, with the setup I had, scale up to 16 x 20
with consistent results.  About 8x10 was it for me. 

For display prints that I was going to sell or display in a gallery-type
setting, glazing would be necessary anyway, so I would not use the
Hydrocote.  For casual snaps that I wanted to just have displayed with no
glass, a simple spray (PremierArt) on glossy (Epson Glossy Photo, Ilford
Smooth Pearl, or Epson Premium Semigloss) is easier and gives me a print
that is protected well enough to clean with a damp cloth.

So, bottom line, I gave up on Hydrocote, even though I think such a coating
if done well might give the best looking final print in an un-glazed
display.  I don't think the Mayer rod is the way to do that for large
display, however.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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Subject: [Digital BW] Re:Ultratone-Longevity Tests-What ever happened to
Hydrocote?

Reading Livick.com longevity pages reminded me of Paul's Hydrocote coating
tests a 
couple of years ago. What was the final verdict for Hydrocote?

http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/coating.html

http://hydrocote.com/our_products.htm 

http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg2d2.htm

The Livick site recommends:

http://www.clearstarcorp.com/clearshield.asp

Thanks,

John V.




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