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2004-08-10 by johnglodge
In EEM when I use the four curves warm, cool, Sepia and coolSE I find no difference between cool and coolSE. Sepia is a stronger warm than warm and cool is essentially black&white with no color caste. That is coolSE appears not to be correct yes the filesize is 2 bytes shorter but it prints the same??? Anyone else see this. What I was aiming to do was see the four extremes. John
2004-08-11 by Carl Schofield
The difference between the Cool and CoolSe profiles is quite subtle and as you can see from a look inside each of the profiles the only difference is the relative amounts of light cyan and light magenta inks that are used. The Warm profile uses only the black and light black inks whereas the Sepia profile adds light magenta, yellow, and a little light cyan. You could of course change the ink limits to produce stronger toning if desired. Carl COOL N_OF_INKS=7 DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=75 LIMIT_K= BOOST_K=90 LIMIT_C=0 LIMIT_M=0 LIMIT_Y=0 LIMIT_LC=27 LIMIT_LM=27 LIMIT_LK=56 COOLSe N_OF_INKS=7 DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=75 LIMIT_K= BOOST_K=90 LIMIT_C=0 LIMIT_M=0 LIMIT_Y=0 LIMIT_LC=25 LIMIT_LM=29 LIMIT_LK=56 WARM N_OF_INKS=7 DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=75 LIMIT_K= BOOST_K=90 LIMIT_C=0 LIMIT_M=0 LIMIT_Y=0 LIMIT_LC=0 LIMIT_LM=0 LIMIT_LK=60 SEPIA N_OF_INKS=7 DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=75 LIMIT_K= BOOST_K=90 LIMIT_C=0 LIMIT_M=0 LIMIT_Y=10 LIMIT_LC=9 LIMIT_LM=29 LIMIT_LK=56
On Tuesday, August 10, 2004, at 06:26 PM, johnglodge wrote: > In EEM when I use the four curves warm, cool, Sepia and coolSE I > find no difference between cool and coolSE. > Sepia is a stronger warm than warm and cool is essentially > black&white with no color caste. > > That is coolSE appears not to be correct yes the filesize is 2 bytes > shorter but it prints the same??? > > Anyone else see this. > > What I was aiming to do was see the four extremes. > > > John > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “OWNER” > AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2004-08-11 by Nelson Ricciardi
Carl That's very nice. Thank for the info. Do you believe there is any risk of a user changing the profiles and bringing back metamerism? For example, I do not feel confortable doing it. I believe I might do something wrong and make a mistake with the yellow ink. What do you think? Again, thank you.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schofield [mailto:scho@mac.com] > Sent: terça-feira, 10 de agosto de 2004 23:20 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QuadToneRip and Se > > > The difference between the Cool and CoolSe profiles is quite > subtle and > as you can see from a look inside each of the profiles the only > difference is the relative amounts of light cyan and light > magenta inks > that are used. The Warm profile uses only the black and light black > inks whereas the Sepia profile adds light magenta, yellow, > and a little > light cyan. You could of course change the ink limits to produce > stronger toning if desired. > > Carl > > COOL > N_OF_INKS=7 > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=75 > > LIMIT_K= > BOOST_K=90 > LIMIT_C=0 > LIMIT_M=0 > LIMIT_Y=0 > LIMIT_LC=27 > LIMIT_LM=27 > LIMIT_LK=56 > > COOLSe > N_OF_INKS=7 > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=75 > > LIMIT_K= > BOOST_K=90 > LIMIT_C=0 > LIMIT_M=0 > LIMIT_Y=0 > LIMIT_LC=25 > LIMIT_LM=29 > LIMIT_LK=56 > > WARM > N_OF_INKS=7 > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=75 > > LIMIT_K= > BOOST_K=90 > LIMIT_C=0 > LIMIT_M=0 > LIMIT_Y=0 > LIMIT_LC=0 > LIMIT_LM=0 > LIMIT_LK=60 > > > SEPIA > N_OF_INKS=7 > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=75 > > LIMIT_K= > BOOST_K=90 > LIMIT_C=0 > LIMIT_M=0 > LIMIT_Y=10 > LIMIT_LC=9 > LIMIT_LM=29 > LIMIT_LK=56 > > > > >
2004-08-11 by johnglodge
Carl, this is true in the Mac implementation but in the recent Windows XP case the profiles are binary (well sort of) files that are not obviously amenable to editing. Yes I agree looking at the txt Mac profiles that the differences are quite subtle. This then means that there is not a definite Selenium profile in either (MAc or PC) case so that two profile merging as is the case with Sepia or Warm(which is more or less a diluted Sepia) is not available for Selenium tones. The way I see it there are currently two very subtlely different base positions (Cool or CoolSe) and two points in the same direction Warm followed by Sepia. So that a very good range of excellent control from Sepia to neutral B&W can be obtained but with very little control in the Selenium direction. What would be needed to round this would be a "cold"_Selenium followed by a Selenium. I am sure that there is quite a bit of work to get it to the level of quality there there is so far so perhaps it is somewhere in the future. John --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <scho@m...> wrote: > The difference between the Cool and CoolSe profiles is quite subtle and > as you can see from a look inside each of the profiles the only > difference is the relative amounts of light cyan and light magenta inks > that are used. The Warm profile uses only the black and light black > inks whereas the Sepia profile adds light magenta, yellow, and a little > light cyan. You could of course change the ink limits to produce > stronger toning if desired. > > Carl > > COOL > N_OF_INKS=7 > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=75 > > LIMIT_K= > BOOST_K=90 > LIMIT_C=0 > LIMIT_M=0 > LIMIT_Y=0 > LIMIT_LC=27 > LIMIT_LM=27 > LIMIT_LK=56 > > COOLSe > N_OF_INKS=7 > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=75 > > LIMIT_K= > BOOST_K=90 > LIMIT_C=0 > LIMIT_M=0 > LIMIT_Y=0 > LIMIT_LC=25 > LIMIT_LM=29 > LIMIT_LK=56 > > WARM > N_OF_INKS=7 > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=75 > > LIMIT_K= > BOOST_K=90 > LIMIT_C=0 > LIMIT_M=0 > LIMIT_Y=0 > LIMIT_LC=0 > LIMIT_LM=0 > LIMIT_LK=60 > > > SEPIA > N_OF_INKS=7 > DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=75 > > LIMIT_K= > BOOST_K=90 > LIMIT_C=0 > LIMIT_M=0 > LIMIT_Y=10 > LIMIT_LC=9 > LIMIT_LM=29 > LIMIT_LK=56 > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 10, 2004, at 06:26 PM, johnglodge wrote: > > > In EEM when I use the four curves warm, cool, Sepia and coolSE I > > find no difference between cool and coolSE. > > Sepia is a stronger warm than warm and cool is essentially > > black&white with no color caste. > > > > That is coolSE appears not to be correct yes the filesize is 2 bytes > > shorter but it prints the same??? > > > > Anyone else see this. > > > > What I was aiming to do was see the four extremes. > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > > resources as they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > > this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > > keep them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > > the membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > > removed from the membership. > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > > Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the > > Files section: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" > > AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER
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2004-08-11 by Carl Schofield
Shouldn't be any problem if you want to make a custom sepia profile. The light black ink is quite warm/yellow to begin with so it is not necessary to add much additional yellow ink.
On Tuesday, August 10, 2004, at 10:26 PM, Nelson Ricciardi wrote: > Carl > > That's very nice. Thank for the info. > > Do you believe there is any risk of a user changing the profiles and > bringing back metamerism? > > For example, I do not feel confortable doing it. I believe I might do > something wrong and make a mistake with the yellow ink. > > What do you think? > > Again, thank you.
2004-08-11 by Carl Schofield
John, Yes, it should be possible to make a stronger "Cold selenium" profile and a mild "neutral-selenium" profile and then blend the two to get the desired level of selenium toning. Alternatively, you could also develop a single custom profile with the precise tone you are looking for. The latter approach might also give better control over the distribution of toning from highlights to shadows with a custom toning curve. Carl
On Wednesday, August 11, 2004, at 08:49 AM, johnglodge wrote: > Carl, this is true in the Mac implementation but in the recent > Windows XP case the profiles are binary (well sort of) files that > are not obviously amenable to editing. > > Yes I agree looking at the txt Mac profiles that the differences are > quite subtle. > > This then means that there is not a definite Selenium profile in > either (MAc or PC) case so that two profile merging as is the case > with Sepia or Warm(which is more or less a diluted Sepia) is not > available for Selenium tones. > > The way I see it there are currently two very subtlely different > base positions (Cool or CoolSe) and two points in the same direction > Warm followed by Sepia. So that a very good range of excellent > control from Sepia to neutral B&W can be obtained but with very > little control in the Selenium direction. > > What would be needed to round this would be a "cold"_Selenium > followed by a Selenium. I am sure that there is quite a bit of work > to get it to the level of quality there there is so far so perhaps > it is somewhere in the future. > > John
2004-08-11 by Nelson Ricciardi
Carl I'm a new user of QTR, still testing the Windows version. I'd like to know if it is mandatory to always use two profiles with the application. What happens if we use just one? Can we set up the same profile twice? Profile 1 and 2 with the same name? What happens in this case?
> -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schofield [mailto:scho@...] > Sent: quarta-feira, 11 de agosto de 2004 11:15 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QuadToneRip and Se > > > John, > > Yes, it should be possible to make a stronger "Cold selenium" profile > and a mild "neutral-selenium" profile and then blend the two > to get the > desired level of selenium toning. Alternatively, you could also > develop a single custom profile with the precise tone you are looking > for. The latter approach might also give better control over the > distribution of toning from highlights to shadows with a > custom toning > curve. > > Carl > > On Wednesday, August 11, 2004, at 08:49 AM, johnglodge wrote: > > > Carl, this is true in the Mac implementation but in the recent > > Windows XP case the profiles are binary (well sort of) files that > > are not obviously amenable to editing. > > > > Yes I agree looking at the txt Mac profiles that the differences are > > quite subtle. > > > > This then means that there is not a definite Selenium profile in > > either (MAc or PC) case so that two profile merging as is the case > > with Sepia or Warm(which is more or less a diluted Sepia) is not > > available for Selenium tones. > > > > The way I see it there are currently two very subtlely different > > base positions (Cool or CoolSe) and two points in the same direction > > Warm followed by Sepia. So that a very good range of excellent > > control from Sepia to neutral B&W can be obtained but with very > > little control in the Selenium direction. > > > > What would be needed to round this would be a "cold"_Selenium > > followed by a Selenium. I am sure that there is quite a bit of work > > to get it to the level of quality there there is so far so perhaps > > it is somewhere in the future. > > > > John > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/ucIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------~-> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or > you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership > preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks > or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be > removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of > digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic > posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group > rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and > decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group > Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE > THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, > INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN > IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED > ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2004-08-11 by Carl Schofield
Nelson, I've only used the Mac version of QTR, so I'm not familiar with how profiles are controlled in the PC version. It should be possible to use a single profile at 100%. Carl
On Wednesday, August 11, 2004, at 11:08 AM, Nelson Ricciardi wrote: > Carl > > I'm a new user of QTR, still testing the Windows version. > > I'd like to know if it is mandatory to always use two profiles with the > application. > > What happens if we use just one? Can we set up the same profile twice? > Profile 1 and 2 with the same name? What happens in this case? > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carl Schofield [mailto:scho@...] >> Sent: quarta-feira, 11 de agosto de 2004 11:15 >> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QuadToneRip and Se >> >> >> John, >> >> Yes, it should be possible to make a stronger "Cold selenium" profile >> and a mild "neutral-selenium" profile and then blend the two >> to get the >> desired level of selenium toning. Alternatively, you could also >> develop a single custom profile with the precise tone you are looking >> for. The latter approach might also give better control over the >> distribution of toning from highlights to shadows with a >> custom toning >> curve. >> >> Carl >> >> On Wednesday, August 11, 2004, at 08:49 AM, johnglodge wrote: >> >>> Carl, this is true in the Mac implementation but in the recent >>> Windows XP case the profiles are binary (well sort of) files that >>> are not obviously amenable to editing. >>> >>> Yes I agree looking at the txt Mac profiles that the differences are >>> quite subtle. >>> >>> This then means that there is not a definite Selenium profile in >>> either (MAc or PC) case so that two profile merging as is the case >>> with Sepia or Warm(which is more or less a diluted Sepia) is not >>> available for Selenium tones. >>> >>> The way I see it there are currently two very subtlely different >>> base positions (Cool or CoolSe) and two points in the same direction >>> Warm followed by Sepia. So that a very good range of excellent >>> control from Sepia to neutral B&W can be obtained but with very >>> little control in the Selenium direction. >>> >>> What would be needed to round this would be a "cold"_Selenium >>> followed by a Selenium. I am sure that there is quite a bit of work >>> to get it to the level of quality there there is so far so perhaps >>> it is somewhere in the future. >>> >>> John >> >> >> >> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> --------------------~--> >> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. >> Now with Pop-Up Blocker. 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2004-08-11 by Nelson Ricciardi
Thank you I'll try ans see what happens.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schofield [mailto:scho@...] > Sent: quarta-feira, 11 de agosto de 2004 12:18 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QuadToneRip and Se > > > Nelson, > > I've only used the Mac version of QTR, so I'm not familiar with how > profiles are controlled in the PC version. It should be possible to > use a single profile at 100%. > > Carl > > On Wednesday, August 11, 2004, at 11:08 AM, Nelson Ricciardi wrote: > > > Carl > > > > I'm a new user of QTR, still testing the Windows version. > > > > I'd like to know if it is mandatory to always use two > profiles with the > > application. > > > > What happens if we use just one? Can we set up the same > profile twice? > > Profile 1 and 2 with the same name? What happens in this case? > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Carl Schofield [mailto:scho@...] > >> Sent: quarta-feira, 11 de agosto de 2004 11:15 > >> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QuadToneRip and Se > >> > >> > >> John, > >> > >> Yes, it should be possible to make a stronger "Cold > selenium" profile > >> and a mild "neutral-selenium" profile and then blend the two > >> to get the > >> desired level of selenium toning. Alternatively, you could also > >> develop a single custom profile with the precise tone you > are looking > >> for. The latter approach might also give better control over the > >> distribution of toning from highlights to shadows with a > >> custom toning > >> curve. > >> > >> Carl > >> > >> On Wednesday, August 11, 2004, at 08:49 AM, johnglodge wrote: > >> > >>> Carl, this is true in the Mac implementation but in the recent > >>> Windows XP case the profiles are binary (well sort of) files that > >>> are not obviously amenable to editing. > >>> > >>> Yes I agree looking at the txt Mac profiles that the > differences are > >>> quite subtle. > >>> > >>> This then means that there is not a definite Selenium profile in > >>> either (MAc or PC) case so that two profile merging as is the case > >>> with Sepia or Warm(which is more or less a diluted Sepia) is not > >>> available for Selenium tones. > >>> > >>> The way I see it there are currently two very subtlely different > >>> base positions (Cool or CoolSe) and two points in the > same direction > >>> Warm followed by Sepia. So that a very good range of excellent > >>> control from Sepia to neutral B&W can be obtained but with very > >>> little control in the Selenium direction. > >>> > >>> What would be needed to round this would be a "cold"_Selenium > >>> followed by a Selenium. I am sure that there is quite a > bit of work > >>> to get it to the level of quality there there is so far so perhaps > >>> it is somewhere in the future. > >>> > >>> John > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > >> --------------------~--> > >> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. > >> Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > >> http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/ucIolB/TM > >> -------------------------------------------------------------- > >> ------~-> > >> > >> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > >> resources as they are often being updated. > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > >> > >> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or > >> you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership > >> preferences by visiting this same page. > >> > >> Please follow these basic guidelines: > >> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > >> messages to keep them short. > >> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks > >> or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be > >> removed from the membership without notice. > >> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of > >> digital B&W printing. 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2004-08-11 by johnglodge
Yes it works I have done that 100% for the first 0% for the second. John --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson Ricciardi" <nelson_@r...> wrote: > Thank you > > I'll try ans see what happens. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carl Schofield [mailto:scho@m...] > > Sent: quarta-feira, 11 de agosto de 2004 12:18 > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QuadToneRip and Se > > > > > > Nelson, > > > > I've only used the Mac version of QTR, so I'm not familiar with how > > profiles are controlled in the PC version. It should be possible to > > use a single profile at 100%. > > > > Carl > > > > On Wednesday, August 11, 2004, at 11:08 AM, Nelson Ricciardi wrote: > > > > > Carl > > > > > > I'm a new user of QTR, still testing the Windows version. > > > > > > I'd like to know if it is mandatory to always use two > > profiles with the > > > application. > > > > > > What happens if we use just one? Can we set up the same > > profile twice? > > > Profile 1 and 2 with the same name? What happens in this case? > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Carl Schofield [mailto:scho@m...] > > >> Sent: quarta-feira, 11 de agosto de 2004 11:15 > > >> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > >> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QuadToneRip and Se > > >> > > >> > > >> John, > > >> > > >> Yes, it should be possible to make a stronger "Cold > > selenium" profile > > >> and a mild "neutral-selenium" profile and then blend the two > > >> to get the > > >> desired level of selenium toning. Alternatively, you could also > > >> develop a single custom profile with the precise tone you > > are looking > > >> for. The latter approach might also give better control over the > > >> distribution of toning from highlights to shadows with a > > >> custom toning > > >> curve. > > >> > > >> Carl > > >> > > >> On Wednesday, August 11, 2004, at 08:49 AM, johnglodge wrote: > > >> > > >>> Carl, this is true in the Mac implementation but in the recent > > >>> Windows XP case the profiles are binary (well sort of) files that > > >>> are not obviously amenable to editing. > > >>> > > >>> Yes I agree looking at the txt Mac profiles that the > > differences are > > >>> quite subtle. > > >>> > > >>> This then means that there is not a definite Selenium profile in > > >>> either (MAc or PC) case so that two profile merging as is the case > > >>> with Sepia or Warm(which is more or less a diluted Sepia) is not > > >>> available for Selenium tones. > > >>> > > >>> The way I see it there are currently two very subtlely different > > >>> base positions (Cool or CoolSe) and two points in the > > same direction > > >>> Warm followed by Sepia. So that a very good range of excellent > > >>> control from Sepia to neutral B&W can be obtained but with very > > >>> little control in the Selenium direction. > > >>> > > >>> What would be needed to round this would be a "cold"_Selenium > > >>> followed by a Selenium. I am sure that there is quite a > > bit of work > > >>> to get it to the level of quality there there is so far so perhaps > > >>> it is somewhere in the future. > > >>> > > >>> John > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > >> --------------------~--> > > >> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. > > >> Now with Pop-Up Blocker. 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2004-08-11 by johnglodge
Quite, but the Windows implementation puts the profile in a binary file not a text file. So that Roy will have to provide it. John --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <scho@m...> wrote: > John, > > Yes, it should be possible to make a stronger "Cold selenium" profile > and a mild "neutral-selenium" profile and then blend the two to get the > desired level of selenium toning. Alternatively, you could also > develop a single custom profile with the precise tone you are looking > for. The latter approach might also give better control over the > distribution of toning from highlights to shadows with a custom toning > curve. > > Carl > > On Wednesday, August 11, 2004, at 08:49 AM, johnglodge wrote: > > > Carl, this is true in the Mac implementation but in the recent > > Windows XP case the profiles are binary (well sort of) files that > > are not obviously amenable to editing. > > > > Yes I agree looking at the txt Mac profiles that the differences are > > quite subtle. > > > > This then means that there is not a definite Selenium profile in > > either (MAc or PC) case so that two profile merging as is the case > > with Sepia or Warm(which is more or less a diluted Sepia) is not > > available for Selenium tones. > > > > The way I see it there are currently two very subtlely different > > base positions (Cool or CoolSe) and two points in the same direction > > Warm followed by Sepia. So that a very good range of excellent > > control from Sepia to neutral B&W can be obtained but with very > > little control in the Selenium direction. > > > > What would be needed to round this would be a "cold"_Selenium > > followed by a Selenium. I am sure that there is quite a bit of work > > to get it to the level of quality there there is so far so perhaps
> > it is somewhere in the future. > > > > John