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2004-11-03 by Rob Adams
To get QTR & QTRGUI for windows up to where the osx version is? Reason I ask. With IP taking forever to get ver 6 out, and their insane support policy, there might be a few of us that would be interested in kicking in a few dollars. Inquiring minds .... Rob Davie, FL
2004-11-03 by Hans Van Rafelghem
Rob Adams wrote: >To get QTR & QTRGUI for windows up to where the osx version is? > >Reason I ask. With IP taking forever to get ver 6 out, and their >insane support policy, there might be a few of us that would be >interested in kicking in a few dollars. > >Inquiring minds .... > >Rob >Davie, FL > > > What do you need more? Qimage + QTR + QTRGUI works perfect, doesn't it? Or at least so it seems to me. -- Hans Van Rafelghem http://www.vanrafelghem.com
2004-11-03 by Steven Karafyllakis
I for one need to be able to turn off the bi-directional printing, and writing that in on the .bat file doesn't seem to work. I also want 1440x1440 resolution, and that also doesn't work. Steven Karafyllakis
> What do you need more? > > Qimage + QTR + QTRGUI works perfect, doesn't it? > > Or at least so it seems to me. > > -- > > Hans Van Rafelghem > http://www.vanrafelghem.com
2004-11-03 by Stephen Billard
There is a new version of QTR for Windows on the horizon. QTRgui will be updated to go with it. This will let you do the bi-directional printing. Not sure about the 1440x1440. The current set of PPD files list 1440x720 and 2880x1440, but no 1440 squared. -Stephen www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Karafyllakis [mailto:steve@stevekphoto.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 3:38 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] What would it take - QTR & QTRGUI > for windows > > > > > I for one need to be able to turn off the bi-directional printing, > and writing that in on the .bat file doesn't seem to work. I also > want 1440x1440 resolution, and that also doesn't work. > > Steven Karafyllakis > > > > What do you need more? > > > > Qimage + QTR + QTRGUI works perfect, doesn't it? > > > > Or at least so it seems to me. > > > > -- > > > > Hans Van Rafelghem > > http://www.vanrafelghem.com > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/ucIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------~-> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or > you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership > preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks > or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be > removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of > digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic > posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group > rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and > decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group > Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE > THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, > INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN > IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED > ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2004-11-04 by zonepeter
Stephen, Do you know if it will allow us design our own curves / linearize? Peter
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2004-11-04 by Stephen Billard
Don't know. -Stephen www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> -----Original Message----- > From: zonepeter [mailto:zonepeter@...] > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:10 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: What would it take - QTR & QTRGUI > for windows > > > > > Stephen, > Do you know if it will allow us design our own curves / linearize? >
2004-11-04 by ferdinand_paris
How about roll paper? It would be nice to be able to print P&W panoramas, among other things. F_P --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Billard" <stephen@s...> wrote:
> Don't know. > > -Stephen > www.sbillard.org/Stephen > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: zonepeter [mailto:zonepeter@a...] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:10 PM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: What would it take - QTR & QTRGUI > > for windows > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > Do you know if it will allow us design our own curves / linearize? > >
2004-11-04 by ferdinand_paris
Oh, and soft proofing too. Don't get me wrong. Qimage + QTR + QTRGui are great, but it seems to me that Mac users are way ahead. When it comes to graphics software, PC users have to get used to this, but I'd like to narrow the gap a little. I realise that the roll paper thing for the 2200 isn't a Mac vs PC issue. Is there a workaround whereby one can trick the printer into using roll paper? F_P --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ferdinand_paris" <ferdinand_paris@y...> wrote: > > How about roll paper? It would be nice to be able to print B&W > panoramas, among other things. > > F_P > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Billard" > <stephen@s...> wrote: > > Don't know. > > > > -Stephen > > www.sbillard.org/Stephen > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: zonepeter [mailto:zonepeter@a...] > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:10 PM > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: What would it take - QTR & QTRGUI > > > for windows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > Do you know if it will allow us design our own curves / linearize? > > >
2004-11-04 by Steve Kale
My understanding from Roy is that Gimp which QTR relies on does not support 1440x1440.
> From: Steven Karafyllakis <steve@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:37:39 -0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] What would it take - QTR & QTRGUI for windows > > > > I for one need to be able to turn off the bi-directional printing, > and writing that in on the .bat file doesn't seem to work. I also > want 1440x1440 resolution, and that also doesn't work. > > Steven Karafyllakis
2004-11-04 by Stephen Billard
All the paper feeds and media types will be available. Also all the printing resolutions and a few more curve tweaks. -Stephen www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> -----Original Message----- > From: ferdinand_paris [mailto:ferdinand_paris@...] > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:17 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: What would it take - QTR & QTRGUI > for windows > > > > > How about roll paper? It would be nice to be able to print > P&W panoramas, among other things. > > F_P > > >
2004-11-04 by Stephen Billard
Soft proofing is not in the cards. -Stephen www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> -----Original Message----- > From: ferdinand_paris [mailto:ferdinand_paris@...] > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:27 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: What would it take - QTR & QTRGUI > for windows > > > > > Oh, and soft proofing too. > > >
2004-11-04 by Roy Harrington
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote: > > I for one need to be able to turn off the bi-directional printing, > and writing that in on the .bat file doesn't seem to work. I also > want 1440x1440 resolution, and that also doesn't work. > > Steven Karafyllakis > > > > What do you need more? > > > > Qimage + QTR + QTRGUI works perfect, doesn't it? > > > > Or at least so it seems to me. > > > > -- > > > > Hans Van Rafelghem > > http://www.vanrafelghem.com I see there's some good discussion about QTR for Windows. Here's the basic plan as I see it now. Stephen has done a great job putting on a friendly front end. So adding all the basic printing capability that the mac has is in the works. It's not quite as simple as using the print dialogs on the mac but its close. Its mostly a matter of me getting more time to move code to the PC and test it out. A couple details: 1) The directionality will be selectable. I think unidirectional is the default now not bi-directional. 2) 1440x1440 is a bit of an unknown. Epson does not show this resolution in any of their recommended modes for the printers already supported. The Pro printers (4xxx,7xxx,9xxx) are pretty explicit in not handling 1440x1440. With the 2200 it might be possible since so much is handled in the driver. However I'm unsure if there would be any benefit -- 1440x720 already uses the smallest drop size. Also there's the issue of doubling the print time. The other main unknown here is that I don't know if gimp-print will work at 1440x1440. There's code for various resolutions so it might be added but I can't be sure. 3) There's been a fair amount of interest in the R800. From the Epson documentation it looks like you can only take advantage of the smallest 1.5 pl drop size if you go to 2880x1440 or 1440x1440 (this is the first printer I've seen that explicitly mentions 1440x1440). So this ties into the above issue too. 4) Roll paper will also supported in the next version. Roy
2004-11-05 by Steven Karafyllakis
> > A couple details: > > 1) The directionality will be selectable. I think unidirectional > is the default now not bi-directional. This I think is the big one for me. I'm getting huge amounts of microbanding, and it won't go away unless I can have unidirectional; changing the .bat file made absulutely no difference, the printer chugged on in bi- mode. I'll try it again. > > 2) 1440x1440 is a bit of an unknown. Epson does not show > this resolution in any of their recommended modes for the > printers already supported. I didn't realize this wasn't supported by the printer itself. I was simply hoping to go up one step in dithering, as a possible way to minimize the aforementioned microbanding with out paying the full time penalty of 1440x2880. Thanks for all your good work! Steve
2004-11-05 by ferdinand_paris
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote: > Thanks for all your good work! I second this, to both Roy and Stephen. The new improvements sound like a real increase in capability. I'm intrigued about the problem with soft-profiling on a PC. I assume the issue is that the Mac has fully colour-managed operating system (as I understand it), whereas an XP PC does not. I guess that means that we'll always be at a disadvantage compared with Mac users, although Mac users now seem to have some of the driver installation problems that PC users had with older versions of windows. I'm NOT trying to start a PC vs Mac thread here, just want to express my thanks and understand the soft-proof issue. F_P
2004-11-05 by Stephen Billard
It is not color management (well, not the difference between MAC and PC anyway.) There are two issues. First, I don't have the knowledge of how to interpret the curves into RGB changes. Second, I don't have the experience in working with TIFF images. Anyway, from what I have experienced, soft proofing is really not that accurate. The only real proof is the print. I am not interested in expending a lot of development effort for something that I think is of marginal value. -Stephen www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> -----Original Message----- > From: ferdinand_paris [mailto:ferdinand_paris@...m] > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 2:17 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] What would it take - QTR & QTRGUI > for windows > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven > Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote: > > Thanks for all your good work! > > I second this, to both Roy and Stephen. The new improvements > sound like a real increase in capability. > > I'm intrigued about the problem with soft-profiling on a PC. > I assume the issue is that the Mac has fully colour-managed > operating system (as I understand it), whereas an XP PC does > not. I guess that means that we'll always be at a > disadvantage compared with Mac users, although Mac users now > seem to have some of the driver installation problems that PC > users had with older versions of windows. > > I'm NOT trying to start a PC vs Mac thread here, just want to > express my thanks and understand the soft-proof issue. > > F_P > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/ucIolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------~-> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or > you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership > preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks > or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be > removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of > digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic > posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group > rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and > decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group > Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE > THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, > INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN > IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED > ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2004-11-05 by Roy Harrington
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ferdinand_paris" <ferdinand_paris@y...> wrote: > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven > Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote: > > Thanks for all your good work! > > I second this, to both Roy and Stephen. The new improvements sound > like a real increase in capability. > > I'm intrigued about the problem with soft-profiling on a PC. I assume > the issue is that the Mac has fully colour-managed operating system > (as I understand it), whereas an XP PC does not. I guess that means > that we'll always be at a disadvantage compared with Mac users, > although Mac users now seem to have some of the driver installation > problems that PC users had with older versions of windows. > > I'm NOT trying to start a PC vs Mac thread here, just want to express > my thanks and understand the soft-proof issue. > > F_P I'm not as familiar with all the PC differences versus the Mac so I may be missing something. But soft-proofing is a feature of Photoshop not QTR or any other print method. The soft-proofing method that is described on my website should work equally well on both Mac and PC. It is based on having an Eye-One and the i1Match software that creates ICC profiles. I also have some specific soft-proof files for the UT2 inkset on a 1270. They contain install scripts for the Mac but if you know where to put the .psf files on the PC my understanding is that they should work identically on the PC and the Mac. Roy
2004-11-05 by ccolbertbw
Handling icc files is a big job and probably not worth the time for shareware (are you even charging Stephen? I'm on a mac). Besides, where you need soft proofing most, I would think, is while using Photoshop or your favorite data manipulation program. But, don't downplay the usefulness of a good softproof. In my experience, softproofing curves made with an eyeone for QTR curves are very good. I have problems with blocking up in the high 90's and the softproof nails it. I can adjust the deep shadows on the screen and get a very close print. Everytime I look back at something I don't like on the print, the softproof showed it - I just didn't pay attention. Costa --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Billard" <stephen@s...> wrote:
> It is not color management (well, not the difference between MAC and PC > anyway.) There are two issues. First, I don't have the knowledge of how to > interpret the curves into RGB changes. Second, I don't have the experience > in working with TIFF images. > > Anyway, from what I have experienced, soft proofing is really not that > accurate. The only real proof is the print. I am not interested in expending > a lot of development effort for something that I think is of marginal value. > > -Stephen > www.sbillard.org/Stephen >
2004-11-07 by ferdinand_paris
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington" <roy@h...> wrote: > I'm not as familiar with all the PC differences versus the Mac so I > may be missing something. But soft-proofing is a feature of > Photoshop not QTR or any other print method. The soft-proofing > method that is described on my website should work equally well on > both Mac and PC. It is based on having an Eye-One and the i1Match > software that creates ICC profiles. I also have some specific > soft-proof files for the UT2 inkset on a 1270. They contain > install scripts for the Mac but if you know where to put the .psf > files on the PC my understanding is that they should work > identically on the PC and the Mac. > > Roy Thanks for this clarification. I had the impression that the soft-proofing on the Mac was something intrinsic to the Mac rather than just the usual thing in PSCS. I'll look at your website more carefully. F_P