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2005-01-07 by jm-ferreira@bluewin.ch
Hi all, Is there a way of previewing what the print will look like (colour wise) from PS CS, before printing it with QTR ? It would be great if the QTR GUI had a preview window Thanks! José Miguel Ferreira T: (+41) 076 472 09 15 <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-01-07 by Stephen Billard
It will look Black and White! (Sorry, I just couldn't resist....) -Stephen www.sbillard.org/Stephen
-----Original Message----- From: José Miguel Ferreira [mailto:jmf@...] On Behalf Of jm-ferreira@... Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:00 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? Hi all, Is there a way of previewing what the print will look like (colour wise) from PS CS, before printing it with QTR ? It would be great if the QTR GUI had a preview window Thanks! José Miguel Ferreira T: (+41) 076 472 09 15 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-01-07 by jm-ferreira@bluewin.ch
Thats for sure ! :-) J.
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Billard [mailto:stephenb@...] Sent: vendredi, 7. janvier 2005 02:14 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? It will look Black and White! (Sorry, I just couldn't resist....) -Stephen www.sbillard.org/Stephen -----Original Message----- From: José Miguel Ferreira [mailto:jmf@jmf-photo.net] On Behalf Of jm-ferreira@... Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:00 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? Hi all, Is there a way of previewing what the print will look like (colour wise) from PS CS, before printing it with QTR ? It would be great if the QTR GUI had a preview window Thanks! José Miguel Ferreira T: (+41) 076 472 09 15 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Uns ubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-01-07 by ldina
Jose, Yes, there is a way and it is very accurate. You can preview the tonal range and the toning or a specific profile in Photoshop. You will need a spectrophotometer and a profiling package such as Eye One Match or ProfileMaker. The soft proofing procedure is on Roy Harrington's website. It's easy and fast if you have the spectro and software. You build a small "proofing profile" and use it in PS only for proofing. You can then create an adjustment layer to correct the image until you like what you see. Then save it as a flattened 8-bit TIFF for printing. You would still use the standard QTR profile for printing. I have done it an it works great. The match from PS to the print is outstanding. Lou --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <jm- ferreira@b...> wrote: > Hi all, > > > > Is there a way of previewing what the print will look like (colour wise)
> from PS CS, before printing it with QTR ? > > It would be great if the QTR GUI had a preview window > > > > Thanks! > > > > José Miguel Ferreira > > T: (+41) 076 472 09 15 > > <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-01-07 by jm-ferreira@bluewin.ch
Lou, Thanks for the info ! I was trying to avoid the expense this involves though I guess Ill just create a set of prints with different variations and decide with my eyes. José
-----Original Message----- From: ldina [mailto:lbdina@...] Sent: vendredi, 7. janvier 2005 03:34 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? Jose, Yes, there is a way and it is very accurate. You can preview the tonal range and the toning or a specific profile in Photoshop. You will need a spectrophotometer and a profiling package such as Eye One Match or ProfileMaker. The soft proofing procedure is on Roy Harrington's website. It's easy and fast if you have the spectro and software. You build a small "proofing profile" and use it in PS only for proofing. You can then create an adjustment layer to correct the image until you like what you see. Then save it as a flattened 8-bit TIFF for printing. You would still use the standard QTR profile for printing. I have done it an it works great. The match from PS to the print is outstanding. Lou --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <jm- ferreira@b...> wrote: > Hi all, > > > > Is there a way of previewing what the print will look like (colour wise) > from PS CS, before printing it with QTR ? > > It would be great if the QTR GUI had a preview window > > > > Thanks! > > > > José Miguel Ferreira > > T: (+41) 076 472 09 15 > > < <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net> <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Uns ubscribe> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-01-07 by Tyler Boley
You can also do the custom gray space soft proof thingy by eye, and for free. Also, I imagine there are plenty of members on this list with an EyeOne that would be happy to linearize your QTR output, and make you a preview profile. Worth asking, might have to pay some small fee. Or, if you work in Roy's custom LAB gray space, you may get a very good match without any softproof method at all. Or, perhaps you can use Roy's LAB space as the softproof space. Roy? Tyler --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <jm-ferreira@b...> wrote: > Lou, > > > > Thanks for the info ! I was trying to avoid the expense this involves > though > > I guess I'll just create a set of prints with different variations and > decide with my eyes. > > > > José > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ldina [mailto:lbdina@c...] > Sent: vendredi, 7. janvier 2005 03:34 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > > > > > Jose, > > Yes, there is a way and it is very accurate. You can preview the > tonal range and the toning or a specific profile in Photoshop. You > will need a spectrophotometer and a profiling package such as Eye One > Match or ProfileMaker. The soft proofing procedure is on Roy > Harrington's website. It's easy and fast if you have the spectro and > software. You build a small "proofing profile" and use it in PS only > for proofing. You can then create an adjustment layer to correct the > image until you like what you see. Then save it as a flattened 8-bit > TIFF for printing. You would still use the standard QTR profile for > printing. I have done it an it works great. The match from PS to > the print is outstanding. > > Lou > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <jm- > ferreira@b...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > Is there a way of previewing what the print will look like (colour > wise) > > from PS CS, before printing it with QTR ? > > > > It would be great if the QTR GUI had a preview window > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > José Miguel Ferreira > > > > T: (+41) 076 472 09 15 > > > > < <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net> > <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY > TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Uns
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2005-01-07 by jm-ferreira@bluewin.ch
Tyler, I went back to Carl Schofield's site and downloaded the profiles (thank you, Carl). I did a quick test with a previously printed TIFF (grayscale/8 bit/) and chose the HPR-UCEB-SEPIA profile, even though this image was printed on Ilford Perl I know colour management purists are grinding their teeth, but this was just a quick test. The resulting proof is actually pretty accurate when compared to the print! Is this normal? The black ink is not the same, the paper is not the same, but its accurate Go wonder Another thing: there is no change if I open the file with an assigned profile of 2.2 gray gamma or 20% dot gain . The soft proof looks exactly the same. Go wonder again Does anyone have similar profiles for Ilford Perl paper with UC black ink? Maybe theyll look different :-) José
-----Original Message----- From: Tyler Boley [mailto:tyler@...] Sent: vendredi, 7. janvier 2005 03:50 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? You can also do the custom gray space soft proof thingy by eye, and for free. Also, I imagine there are plenty of members on this list with an EyeOne that would be happy to linearize your QTR output, and make you a preview profile. Worth asking, might have to pay some small fee. Or, if you work in Roy's custom LAB gray space, you may get a very good match without any softproof method at all. Or, perhaps you can use Roy's LAB space as the softproof space. Roy? Tyler --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <jm-ferreira@b...> wrote: > Lou, > > > > Thanks for the info ! I was trying to avoid the expense this involves > though > > I guess I'll just create a set of prints with different variations and > decide with my eyes. > > > > José > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ldina [mailto:lbdina@c...] > Sent: vendredi, 7. janvier 2005 03:34 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > > > > > Jose, > > Yes, there is a way and it is very accurate. You can preview the > tonal range and the toning or a specific profile in Photoshop. You > will need a spectrophotometer and a profiling package such as Eye One > Match or ProfileMaker. The soft proofing procedure is on Roy > Harrington's website. It's easy and fast if you have the spectro and > software. You build a small "proofing profile" and use it in PS only > for proofing. You can then create an adjustment layer to correct the > image until you like what you see. Then save it as a flattened 8-bit > TIFF for printing. You would still use the standard QTR profile for > printing. I have done it an it works great. The match from PS to > the print is outstanding. > > Lou > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <jm- > ferreira@b...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > Is there a way of previewing what the print will look like (colour > wise) > > from PS CS, before printing it with QTR ? > > > > It would be great if the QTR GUI had a preview window > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > José Miguel Ferreira > > > > T: (+41) 076 472 09 15 > > > > < < <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net> <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net> > < <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net> <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > < <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. 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2005-01-07 by Roy Harrington
Hi Tyler. As far as I can tell softproofing with the LAB gray profile does exactly the same thing as just assigning your file to the Lab gray space. I've also found that the softproofs I made for one specific inkset (UT2 on 1270) work surprisingly well for many other situations. I think B&W turns out to be a lot easier to work with a fairly generic softproof. I've been experimenting with a shortened Lab profile to reflect a typical dmin and dmax, but there's a awful lot of combinations of Black Pt Comp, Ink Black, Paper White and Intents. Roy --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@t...> wrote:
> > You can also do the custom gray space soft proof thingy by eye, and > for free. Also, I imagine there are plenty of members on this list > with an EyeOne that would be happy to linearize your QTR output, and > make you a preview profile. Worth asking, might have to pay some small > fee. > Or, if you work in Roy's custom LAB gray space, you may get a very > good match without any softproof method at all. Or, perhaps you can > use Roy's LAB space as the softproof space. Roy? > Tyler > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > <jm-ferreira@b...> wrote: > > Lou, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info ! I was trying to avoid the expense this involves > > though > > > > I guess I'll just create a set of prints with different variations and > > decide with my eyes. > > > > > > > > José > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ldina [mailto:lbdina@c...] > > Sent: vendredi, 7. janvier 2005 03:34 > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > > > > > > > > > > Jose, > > > > Yes, there is a way and it is very accurate. You can preview the > > tonal range and the toning or a specific profile in Photoshop. You > > will need a spectrophotometer and a profiling package such as Eye One > > Match or ProfileMaker. The soft proofing procedure is on Roy > > Harrington's website. It's easy and fast if you have the spectro and > > software. You build a small "proofing profile" and use it in PS only > > for proofing. You can then create an adjustment layer to correct the > > image until you like what you see. Then save it as a flattened 8-bit > > TIFF for printing. You would still use the standard QTR profile for > > printing. I have done it an it works great. The match from PS to > > the print is outstanding. > > > > Lou > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <jm- > > ferreira@b...> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a way of previewing what the print will look like (colour > > wise) > > > from PS CS, before printing it with QTR ? > > > > > > It would be great if the QTR GUI had a preview window > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > José Miguel Ferreira > > > > > > T: (+41) 076 472 09 15 > > > > > > < <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net> > > <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as > > they are often being updated. > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same > > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep > > them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. 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2005-01-07 by Tyler Boley
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <jm-ferreira@b...> wrote: > Tyler, > > > > I went back to Carl Schofield's site and downloaded the profiles (thank you, > Carl). I did a quick test with a previously printed TIFF (grayscale/8 bit/) > and chose the HPR-UCEB-SEPIA profile, even though this image was printed on > Ilford Perl I know colour management purists are grinding their teeth, but > this was just a quick test. > > > > The resulting proof is actually pretty accurate when compared to the print! > Is this normal? The black ink is not the same, the paper is not the same, > but it's accurate Go wonder Not too unexpected, I'm sure Carl's profiles are all linearized, and since QTR is linearized to LAB, always, the progression of tones should be the same. Only hue, paper white, and ink black will vary in a perfect world. > Another thing: there is no change if I open the file with an assigned > profile of 2.2 gray gamma or 20% dot gain . The soft proof looks exactly the > same. Go wonder again Well, there's not a huge difference, but you should see it. Are you sure you are checking "preserve color numbers"? Tyler
2005-01-07 by Tyler Boley
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington" <roy@h...> wrote: > > > Hi Tyler. As far as I can tell softproofing with the LAB gray profile does > exactly the same thing as just assigning your file to the Lab gray space. Yes I would think so. The only difference is how the file is tagged, which matters little in a practicle sense with this workflow. > I've also found that the softproofs I made for one specific inkset (UT2 on 1270) > work surprisingly well for many other situations. I think B&W turns out to be > a lot easier to work with a fairly generic softproof. Since you are always linearizing to the same standard, and we are just seeing the device to LAB LUTs by using preserve color numbers, with nearly monochrome output, I think you are right. In fact, if one turned out significantly different, I'd be inclined to relinearize it. > I've been experimenting with a shortened Lab profile to reflect a typical dmin > and dmax, but there's a awful lot of combinations of Black Pt Comp, Ink Black, > Paper White and Intents. I guess you'd have to come up with some average, but it could be useful. There are ways to edit media white and ink K in profiles, but they have to be true icc profiles. I don't know how you are making yours, but if you've figured out a way to make true single channel icc profiles, I'll be even more impressed than I already am. Tyler
2005-01-07 by jm-ferreira@bluewin.ch
Tyler, Yes, « preserve colour numbers » is checked. Im just glad that the profiles are behaving this way, it does help a lot to apply a small S curve (pretty much the only thing I need to adjust with QTR printing). Thank you again for the precious help, and thank you all for a great forum! José
-----Original Message----- From: Tyler Boley [mailto:tyler@...] Sent: vendredi, 7. janvier 2005 06:58 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <jm-ferreira@b...> wrote: > Tyler, > > > > I went back to Carl Schofield's site and downloaded the profiles (thank you, > Carl). I did a quick test with a previously printed TIFF (grayscale/8 bit/) > and chose the HPR-UCEB-SEPIA profile, even though this image was printed on > Ilford Perl I know colour management purists are grinding their teeth, but > this was just a quick test. > > > > The resulting proof is actually pretty accurate when compared to the print! > Is this normal? The black ink is not the same, the paper is not the same, > but it's accurate Go wonder Not too unexpected, I'm sure Carl's profiles are all linearized, and since QTR is linearized to LAB, always, the progression of tones should be the same. Only hue, paper white, and ink black will vary in a perfect world. > Another thing: there is no change if I open the file with an assigned > profile of 2.2 gray gamma or 20% dot gain . The soft proof looks exactly the > same. Go wonder again Well, there's not a huge difference, but you should see it. Are you sure you are checking "preserve color numbers"? Tyler Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Uns ubscribe> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-01-07 by Andre Vallejo
One hint: At least for me,working on a PC,the best soft-proof in PS CS under XP is the "Macintosh RGB"...that gives me better gamma match then any other,for some odd reason... Andre Message: 17 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 03:42:07 +0100
From: <jm-ferreira@...> Subject: RE: Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? Lou, Thanks for the info ! I was trying to avoid the expense this involves though. I guess I'll just create a set of prints with different variations and decide with my eyes. Jos\ufffd
2005-01-08 by Dave Halbakken
This Lab gray space sounds interesting. Where can I find a copy? Dave H
----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Harrington" <roy@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? Hi Tyler. As far as I can tell softproofing with the LAB gray profile does exactly the same thing as just assigning your file to the Lab gray space. I've also found that the softproofs I made for one specific inkset (UT2 on 1270) work surprisingly well for many other situations. I think B&W turns out to be a lot easier to work with a fairly generic softproof. I've been experimenting with a shortened Lab profile to reflect a typical dmin and dmax, but there's a awful lot of combinations of Black Pt Comp, Ink Black, Paper White and Intents. Roy --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@t...> wrote: > > You can also do the custom gray space soft proof thingy by eye, and > for free. Also, I imagine there are plenty of members on this list > with an EyeOne that would be happy to linearize your QTR output, and > make you a preview profile. Worth asking, might have to pay some small > fee. > Or, if you work in Roy's custom LAB gray space, you may get a very > good match without any softproof method at all. Or, perhaps you can > use Roy's LAB space as the softproof space. Roy? > Tyler > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > <jm-ferreira@b...> wrote: > > Lou, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info ! I was trying to avoid the expense this involves > > though. > > > > I guess I'll just create a set of prints with different variations and > > decide with my eyes. > > > > > > > > Jos\ufffd > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ldina [mailto:lbdina@c...] > > Sent: vendredi, 7. janvier 2005 03:34 > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > > > > > > > > > > Jose, > > > > Yes, there is a way and it is very accurate. You can preview the > > tonal range and the toning or a specific profile in Photoshop. You > > will need a spectrophotometer and a profiling package such as Eye One > > Match or ProfileMaker. The soft proofing procedure is on Roy > > Harrington's website. It's easy and fast if you have the spectro and > > software. You build a small "proofing profile" and use it in PS only > > for proofing. You can then create an adjustment layer to correct the > > image until you like what you see. Then save it as a flattened 8-bit > > TIFF for printing. You would still use the standard QTR profile for > > printing. I have done it an it works great. The match from PS to > > the print is outstanding. > > > > Lou > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <jm- > > ferreira@b...> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a way of previewing what the print will look like (colour > > wise) > > > from PS CS, before printing it with QTR ? > > > > > > It would be great if the QTR GUI had a preview window. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jos\ufffd Miguel Ferreira > > > > > > T: (+41) 076 472 09 15 > > > > > > < <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net> > > <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as > > they are often being updated. > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same > > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep > > them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. 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