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2005-01-26 by Pieris Berreitter
I saw some B&W printed on Epson Lustre with a 2200 today, and I liked the smooth photographic look of the paper. Does anyone like this paper with MIS inks, or can anyone recommend a similar paper? -Pieris digital darkroom blog: www.pmb.net/darkroom
2005-01-26 by evanj1969
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Pieris Berreitter" <pieris@y...> wrote: > > I saw some B&W printed on Epson Lustre with a 2200 today, and I liked > the smooth photographic look of the paper. Does anyone like this paper > with MIS inks, or can anyone recommend a similar paper? > > -Pieris > > digital darkroom blog: www.pmb.net/darkroom i use Premium Luster as well as Premium Semi-Gloss. i prefer EPSG myself, but to be honest, they are so close, i can only tell the difference when they are actually in my hand. Luster is cheaper, so i do my proofing on it, and the final print on Semi-gloss. i feel that i get a "little" better Dmax on Semi-Gloss, and also feel it is a "little" sharper (under a loupe), maybe it's just that it's smoother, BUT i am spitting hairs. hanging on the wall, not many would see a difference. other my disagree with my observations, but don't i think you'd see a big difference in the two. those two are the only papers i use though, and i've tried A LOT of papers. hope that helps evan
2005-01-26 by Roy Zartarian
For non-matte I'm now using Ilford Gallerie Smooth Pearl in the 2200 for both color and b&w. In both cases, I'm using the MIS Photo Black & light black with the Ultrachrome inks for the remainder. For QTR profiles on this paper, I'm working right now with the UCPK-MCeramic-Luster profiles & have been satisfied with the results. Roy
On Jan 26, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Pieris Berreitter wrote: > > > I saw some B&W printed on Epson Lustre with a 2200 today, and I liked > the smooth photographic look of the paper. Does anyone like this paper > with MIS inks, or can anyone recommend a similar paper? > > -Pieris > > digital darkroom blog: www.pmb.net/darkroom > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “OWNER” > AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2005-01-26 by e5bowman
Hi Roy, That is an interesting ink configuration. How do the MIS inks in just the two K positions work with the rest of the UC inks and QTR? Do the prints look less "warm"? (I guess I'm wondering what prompted you to go with this configuration.) Thanks! Eric --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Roy Zartarian <rzartarian@s...> wrote:
> For non-matte I'm now using Ilford Gallerie Smooth Pearl in the 2200 > for both color and b&w. In both cases, I'm using the MIS Photo Black & > light black with the Ultrachrome inks for the remainder. For QTR > profiles on this paper, I'm working right now with the > UCPK-MCeramic-Luster profiles & have been satisfied with the results. > > Roy > > > On Jan 26, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Pieris Berreitter wrote: > > > > > > > I saw some B&W printed on Epson Lustre with a 2200 today, and I liked > > the smooth photographic look of the paper. Does anyone like this paper > > with MIS inks, or can anyone recommend a similar paper? > > > > -Pieris
2005-01-26 by Roy Zartarian
Well, to tell you the truth, I started using the MIS inks in the 2200 cartridges because shortly after I bought a set of 4 ounce UT-2 refills for my 1280, the print head died. And I didn't want to let $80 worth of ink go to waste. I'm blending the QTR cool & warm profiles at 90-10 and find the color approximates that produced by the 1280 on Smooth Pearl with the QTR neutral profile. When I get some time, I do plan on experimenting a bit to see if I can produce something cooler. But that's a project for another day. Roy
On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:49 PM, e5bowman wrote: > > > > Hi Roy, > > That is an interesting ink configuration. How do the MIS inks in just > the two K positions work with the rest of the UC inks and QTR? Do the > prints look less "warm"? (I guess I'm wondering what prompted you to > go with this configuration.) > > Thanks! > Eric > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Roy Zartarian > <rzartarian@s...> wrote: >> For non-matte I'm now using Ilford Gallerie Smooth Pearl in the 2200 >> for both color and b&w. In both cases, I'm using the MIS Photo Black >> & >> light black with the Ultrachrome inks for the remainder. For QTR >> profiles on this paper, I'm working right now with the >> UCPK-MCeramic-Luster profiles & have been satisfied with the results. >> >> Roy >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Pieris Berreitter wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I saw some B&W printed on Epson Lustre with a 2200 today, and I liked >>> the smooth photographic look of the paper. Does anyone like this >>> paper >>> with MIS inks, or can anyone recommend a similar paper? >>> >>> -Pieris > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “OWNER” > AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2005-01-26 by AdventureCam Photo
We have a luster similar to the Epson. Michael J. Pach Owner AdventureCam Photo Proof Line Ink Jet Paper & Media 719-260-6637 www.adventurecamphoto.com I saw some B&W printed on Epson Lustre with a 2200 today, and I liked the smooth photographic look of the paper. Does anyone like this paper with MIS inks, or can anyone recommend a similar paper? -Pieris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.5 - Release Date: 1/26/05 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-01-27 by Pieris Berreitter
Thanks everyone for the tips. I was also happy to find that the Wilhelm Imaging numbers for this paper meet the "after I'm dead" criteria. Traceable archival testing is a must for any paper I use. As I didn't hear about any other papers I will go for the Epson brand (always wary of original mfg brands, I don't know why). Roy I have been pleased with the Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl but the finish is too textured for my work at hand. Thanks for the pointer on the QTR profiles though, I will try those next time I print on Ilford. BTW that paper got rather poor fade results from an independant test I found online (can't recall the link, it wasn't Wilhelm). -Pieris digital darkroom blog: www.pmb.net/darkroom --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Pieris Berreitter" <pieris@y...> wrote:
> > I saw some B&W printed on Epson Lustre with a 2200 today, and I liked > the smooth photographic look of the paper. Does anyone like this paper > with MIS inks, or can anyone recommend a similar paper? > > -Pieris > > digital darkroom blog: www.pmb.net/darkroom
2005-01-27 by Steve Kale
Interesting given Epson in its Professional Media Sample Guide lists Premium Luster Photo Paper under "Photographic Papers" and Photo Semi Gloss under "Coated Papers (Gloss & Semigloss)". Premium Luster is not, to my knowledge, available in Europe yet (I have not been able to find it in the UK) and I would suggest a newer paper. It has a beautiful silky soft finish (with glop curves).
> From: evanj1969 <evanj69@...> > > i use Premium Luster as well as Premium Semi-Gloss. > i prefer EPSG myself, but to be honest, they are so close, i can > only tell the difference when they are actually in my hand. > Luster is cheaper, so i do my proofing on it, and the final print on > Semi-gloss.
2005-01-27 by Moises Faidengold
Hi Roy, Quick question for you. I have been trying to print high end B&W using QTR and the epson inks, any suggestions as to what combinations on the sliders that is, blend, shadows, etc. Also, is there any way to preview the print without having to actually print it and spend so much paper and ink? Thanks Moises Roy Zartarian <rzartarian@...> wrote: Well, to tell you the truth, I started using the MIS inks in the 2200 cartridges because shortly after I bought a set of 4 ounce UT-2 refills for my 1280, the print head died. And I didn't want to let $80 worth of ink go to waste. I'm blending the QTR cool & warm profiles at 90-10 and find the color approximates that produced by the 1280 on Smooth Pearl with the QTR neutral profile. When I get some time, I do plan on experimenting a bit to see if I can produce something cooler. But that's a project for another day. Roy On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:49 PM, e5bowman wrote: > > > > Hi Roy, > > That is an interesting ink configuration. How do the MIS inks in just > the two K positions work with the rest of the UC inks and QTR? Do the > prints look less "warm"? (I guess I'm wondering what prompted you to > go with this configuration.) > > Thanks! > Eric > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Roy Zartarian > wrote: >> For non-matte I'm now using Ilford Gallerie Smooth Pearl in the 2200 >> for both color and b&w. In both cases, I'm using the MIS Photo Black >> & >> light black with the Ultrachrome inks for the remainder. For QTR >> profiles on this paper, I'm working right now with the >> UCPK-MCeramic-Luster profiles & have been satisfied with the results. >> >> Roy >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Pieris Berreitter wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I saw some B&W printed on Epson Lustre with a 2200 today, and I liked >>> the smooth photographic look of the paper. Does anyone like this >>> paper >>> with MIS inks, or can anyone recommend a similar paper? >>> >>> -Pieris > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. 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2005-01-27 by Steve Kale
Moises The only way to do it properly is to make a set of curves specifically for that paper. At a minimum, use the EPSG curves and relinearize them if you can. If you are able to I would suggest using a soft proof also. The issue you will have with any RC paper is "bronzing". I spent a lot of time on RC papers (with full access to the curve creation process) and gave them up because of bronzing - until "glop" came along. Glop has been very effective in removing bronzing from Luster but I now use a different ink set from you. I use QTR to drive the glop application. Unfortunately, the move to RC paper requires a decent jump in effort unless you are able to piggy-back the work of others. I suspect that you have stuck with the Epson inks because you like to do colour also. I think most people experimenting with glop are using dedicated B&W ink sets. Cheers Steve
> From: Moises Faidengold <mfaidengold@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:14:53 -0800 (PST) > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson Lustre > > > > Hi Roy, > > Quick question for you. > I have been trying to print high end B&W using QTR and the epson inks, any > suggestions as to what combinations on the sliders that is, blend, shadows, > etc. > Also, is there any way to preview the print without having to actually print > it and spend so much paper and ink? > Thanks > Moises > > Roy Zartarian <rzartarian@...> wrote: > > Well, to tell you the truth, I started using the MIS inks in the 2200 > cartridges because shortly after I bought a set of 4 ounce UT-2 refills > for my 1280, the print head died. And I didn't want to let $80 worth of > ink go to waste. > > I'm blending the QTR cool & warm profiles at 90-10 and find the color > approximates that produced by the 1280 on Smooth Pearl with the QTR > neutral profile. When I get some time, I do plan on experimenting a > bit to see if I can produce something cooler. But that's a project for > another day. > > Roy >
2005-01-28 by Roy Zartarian
Moises: There is information on print previewing or soft proofing in QTR at http://harrington.com/QuadToneRIP.html#softproof. What I do when I'm in an experimental mood is print small images at different settings in different positions on the same piece of paper (labelling them, of course) so I can see not only how the individual picture looks but also how it looks in comparison with others. Roy
On Jan 27, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Moises Faidengold wrote: > > > Hi Roy, > > Quick question for you. > I have been trying to print high end B&W using QTR and the epson inks, > any suggestions as to what combinations on the sliders that is, blend, > shadows, etc. > Also, is there any way to preview the print without having to actually > print it and spend so much paper and ink? > Thanks > Moises > > Roy Zartarian <rzartarian@...> wrote: > > Well, to tell you the truth, I started using the MIS inks in the 2200 > cartridges because shortly after I bought a set of 4 ounce UT-2 refills > for my 1280, the print head died. And I didn't want to let $80 worth of > ink go to waste. > > I'm blending the QTR cool & warm profiles at 90-10 and find the color > approximates that produced by the 1280 on Smooth Pearl with the QTR > neutral profile. When I get some time, I do plan on experimenting a > bit to see if I can produce something cooler. But that's a project for > another day. > > Roy > > On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:49 PM, e5bowman wrote: > >> >> >> >> Hi Roy, >> >> That is an interesting ink configuration. How do the MIS inks in just >> the two K positions work with the rest of the UC inks and QTR? Do the >> prints look less "warm"? (I guess I'm wondering what prompted you to >> go with this configuration.) >> >> Thanks! >> Eric >> >> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Roy Zartarian >> wrote: >>> For non-matte I'm now using Ilford Gallerie Smooth Pearl in the 2200 >>> for both color and b&w. In both cases, I'm using the MIS Photo Black >>> & >>> light black with the Ultrachrome inks for the remainder. For QTR >>> profiles on this paper, I'm working right now with the >>> UCPK-MCeramic-Luster profiles & have been satisfied with the results. >>> >>> Roy >>> >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Pieris Berreitter wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I saw some B&W printed on Epson Lustre with a 2200 today, and I >>>> liked >>>> the smooth photographic look of the paper. Does anyone like this >>>> paper >>>> with MIS inks, or can anyone recommend a similar paper? >>>> >>>> -Pieris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other >> resources as they are often being updated. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >> >> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish >> to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting >> this same page. >> >> Please follow these basic guidelines: >> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to >> keep them short. >> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or >> flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from >> the membership without notice. >> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital >> B&W printing. 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2005-01-28 by Moises Faidengold
Steve, Thanks for the info. A couple of things, I'm new to QTR and still on the learning curve, therefore some terms like Glup don't mean anyhing yet. Also, I wish a could soft proof the prints before I spend inks and paper, any suggestions in terms of the blending and the other sliders they have? And finally, yes, I do use the Epson inks because of the colors. ... Thanks, Moises Steve Kale <stevekale@...> wrote: Moises The only way to do it properly is to make a set of curves specifically for that paper. At a minimum, use the EPSG curves and relinearize them if you can. If you are able to I would suggest using a soft proof also. The issue you will have with any RC paper is "bronzing". I spent a lot of time on RC papers (with full access to the curve creation process) and gave them up because of bronzing - until "glop" came along. Glop has been very effective in removing bronzing from Luster but I now use a different ink set from you. I use QTR to drive the glop application. Unfortunately, the move to RC paper requires a decent jump in effort unless you are able to piggy-back the work of others. I suspect that you have stuck with the Epson inks because you like to do colour also. I think most people experimenting with glop are using dedicated B&W ink sets. Cheers Steve > From: Moises Faidengold <mfaidengold@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:14:53 -0800 (PST) > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson Lustre > > > > Hi Roy, > > Quick question for you. > I have been trying to print high end B&W using QTR and the epson inks, any > suggestions as to what combinations on the sliders that is, blend, shadows, > etc. > Also, is there any way to preview the print without having to actually print > it and spend so much paper and ink? > Thanks > Moises > > Roy Zartarian <rzartarian@...t> wrote: > > Well, to tell you the truth, I started using the MIS inks in the 2200 > cartridges because shortly after I bought a set of 4 ounce UT-2 refills > for my 1280, the print head died. And I didn't want to let $80 worth of > ink go to waste. > > I'm blending the QTR cool & warm profiles at 90-10 and find the color > approximates that produced by the 1280 on Smooth Pearl with the QTR > neutral profile. When I get some time, I do plan on experimenting a > bit to see if I can produce something cooler. But that's a project for > another day. > > Roy > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-01-28 by Steve Kale
Moises Glop is not a QTR term. It is short form for gloss optimizer. Epson introduced glop with the R800 printer. MIS has made their own version, by their own admission not as good as Epson's but good enough to remove a lot of bronzing from many papers. It can be loaded into their new refillable cartridges (thoroughly recommended). The issue is how do you apply it. Obviously a 21/2200 can not be used with the Epson driver as the driver doesn't expect glop to be loaded. I and others use QTR because you can define how each ink jet operates. Others use RGB curves or IJC/OPM. I think you have been pointed to Carl's soft proofs. Also Roy's new work is a big leap forward. (I have not had the chance to go through it yet.) I would also think hard about how you source your inks. Until recently my 2100 was set up with colour inks and a CFS. I used (and still use for colour) MIS' ultrachrome equivalents (take a look through their website). It is much cheaper to buy 4oz bottles (I live in the UK and a 4oz bottle of MIS ink costs the same as one cartridge in London!!), a set of their refillable cartridges and a few syringes etc and load your own ink. You also then have the advantage of expanding your horizons and loading whatever inks you want (eg UT7 with glop in the LK position) into the cartridges and using a programme like QTR to drive them. Swapping back and forth is not a major hassle. Steve
> From: Moises Faidengold <mfaidengold@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:16:33 -0800 (PST) > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: <stevekale@...> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson Lustre > > > Steve, > Thanks for the info. > A couple of things, I'm new to QTR and still on the learning curve, therefore > some terms like Glup don't mean anyhing yet. > Also, I wish a could soft proof the prints before I spend inks and paper, any > suggestions in terms of the blending and the other sliders they have? > And finally, yes, I do use the Epson inks because of the colors. ... > Thanks, > Moises >
2005-01-28 by Moises Faidengold
Roy, Thanks for the info. Unfortunately the link is for Mac only, nothing for PC!!!! Regards, Moises Roy Zartarian <rzartarian@...> wrote: Moises: There is information on print previewing or soft proofing in QTR at http://harrington.com/QuadToneRIP.html#softproof. What I do when I'm in an experimental mood is print small images at different settings in different positions on the same piece of paper (labelling them, of course) so I can see not only how the individual picture looks but also how it looks in comparison with others. Roy On Jan 27, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Moises Faidengold wrote: > > > Hi Roy, > > Quick question for you. > I have been trying to print high end B&W using QTR and the epson inks, > any suggestions as to what combinations on the sliders that is, blend, > shadows, etc. > Also, is there any way to preview the print without having to actually > print it and spend so much paper and ink? > Thanks > Moises > > Roy Zartarian <rzartarian@...> wrote: > > Well, to tell you the truth, I started using the MIS inks in the 2200 > cartridges because shortly after I bought a set of 4 ounce UT-2 refills > for my 1280, the print head died. And I didn't want to let $80 worth of > ink go to waste. > > I'm blending the QTR cool & warm profiles at 90-10 and find the color > approximates that produced by the 1280 on Smooth Pearl with the QTR > neutral profile. When I get some time, I do plan on experimenting a > bit to see if I can produce something cooler. But that's a project for > another day. > > Roy > > On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:49 PM, e5bowman wrote: > >> >> >> >> Hi Roy, >> >> That is an interesting ink configuration. How do the MIS inks in just >> the two K positions work with the rest of the UC inks and QTR? Do the >> prints look less "warm"? (I guess I'm wondering what prompted you to >> go with this configuration.) >> >> Thanks! >> Eric >> >> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Roy Zartarian >> wrote: >>> For non-matte I'm now using Ilford Gallerie Smooth Pearl in the 2200 >>> for both color and b&w. In both cases, I'm using the MIS Photo Black >>> & >>> light black with the Ultrachrome inks for the remainder. For QTR >>> profiles on this paper, I'm working right now with the >>> UCPK-MCeramic-Luster profiles & have been satisfied with the results. >>> >>> Roy >>> >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Pieris Berreitter wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I saw some B&W printed on Epson Lustre with a 2200 today, and I >>>> liked >>>> the smooth photographic look of the paper. 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