Digital BW, The Print

I've just sent my payment for this amazing piece of software.  Roy's efforts 
are truly a service to the black and white digital printing community.  IMO, 
he's turned my expensive piece of junk, into a capable black and white 
printer.  Without the help of this group, I wouldn't have known about QTR or 
have been able to get up and running so quickly.  Thank-you all.

Now to my question.  Has anyone tried using the supplied 2200 profiles for 
matte paper with Photo Black ink, or, Matte Black ink on glossy/semi papers?  
I'm finding it a real hassle (not to mention a waste of ink) having to change 
back and forth from MK to PK.  Each time, I have to go through the Epson 
"dance of a dozen steps" to trash/reinstall printers etc.  (It occurs to me now, 
that there might be a way to do this in Applescript -- not that I have the 
faintest idea how!)

TIA,

peter

Well you don't need to trash/reinstall printers.  Add the printers with the
MK cartridge in and then rename them to denote MK.  Put in the PK cartridge
and add the printer(s) again, this time changing the name(s) to denote PK.
Then select the printer depending on what cartridge is installed.

MK will rub off RC paper and give a very low dMax.

> From: krn_ptr <krn_ptr@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:38:41 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] PK or MK on QUAD 2200?
> 
> 
> 
> I've just sent my payment for this amazing piece of software.  Roy's efforts
> are truly a service to the black and white digital printing community.  IMO,
> he's turned my expensive piece of junk, into a capable black and white
> printer.  Without the help of this group, I wouldn't have known about QTR or
> have been able to get up and running so quickly.  Thank-you all.
> 
> Now to my question.  Has anyone tried using the supplied 2200 profiles for
> matte paper with Photo Black ink, or, Matte Black ink on glossy/semi papers?
> I'm finding it a real hassle (not to mention a waste of ink) having to change
> back and forth from MK to PK.  Each time, I have to go through the Epson
> "dance of a dozen steps" to trash/reinstall printers etc.  (It occurs to me
> now, 
> that there might be a way to do this in Applescript -- not that I have the
> faintest idea how!)
> 
> TIA,
> 
> peter
> 
>

My goodness, Steve, that's far too simple for me to have thought of :-)  I knew 
someone in this group would have an answer.  Thanks a lot.

peter


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale <
stevekale@b...> wrote:
> Well you don't need to trash/reinstall printers.  Add the printers with the
> MK cartridge in and then rename them to denote MK.  Put in the PK cartridge
> and add the printer(s) again, this time changing the name(s) to denote PK.
> Then select the printer depending on what cartridge is installed.
> 
> MK will rub off RC paper and give a very low dMax.
> 
> 
> > From: krn_ptr <krn_ptr@y...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:38:41 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Digital BW] PK or MK on QUAD 2200?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I've just sent my payment for this amazing piece of software.  Roy's efforts
> > are truly a service to the black and white digital printing community.  IMO,
> > he's turned my expensive piece of junk, into a capable black and white
> > printer.  Without the help of this group, I wouldn't have known about QTR or
> > have been able to get up and running so quickly.  Thank-you all.
> > 
> > Now to my question.  Has anyone tried using the supplied 2200 profiles for
> > matte paper with Photo Black ink, or, Matte Black ink on glossy/semi 
papers?

> > I'm finding it a real hassle (not to mention a waste of ink) having to change
> > back and forth from MK to PK.  Each time, I have to go through the Epson
> > "dance of a dozen steps" to trash/reinstall printers etc.  (It occurs to me
> > now, 
> > that there might be a way to do this in Applescript -- not that I have the
> > faintest idea how!)
> > 
> > TIA,
> > 
> > peter
> > 
> >

QTR is surely the best thing I've done this year.

Yea, if you think it is a hassle on a 2200 try a 9600! I was wondering the same thing. Is it 
possible to use the matte black ink on Premium Luster media somehow with QTR to limit 
the black density, or is the pigment composition of UC MK just no way compatable with rc 
media? If I could do this it would make my life so much easier. Eventually  I'm going to use 
the 10K printer loaded with Lyson Cave Paint for all glossy and rc media but that is a 
thousand bucks away for the moment.

John

> 
> I've just sent my payment for this amazing piece of software.  Roy's efforts 
> are truly a service to the black and white digital printing community.  IMO, 
> he's turned my expensive piece of junk, into a capable black and white 
> printer.  Without the help of this group, I wouldn't have known about QTR or 
> have been able to get up and running so quickly.  Thank-you all.
> 
> Now to my question.  Has anyone tried using the supplied 2200 profiles for 
> matte paper with Photo Black ink, or, Matte Black ink on glossy/semi papers?  
> I'm finding it a real hassle (not to mention a waste of ink) having to change 
> back and forth from MK to PK.  Each time, I have to go through the Epson 
> "dance of a dozen steps" to trash/reinstall printers etc.  (It occurs to me now, 
> that there might be a way to do this in Applescript -- not that I have the 
> faintest idea how!)
> 
> TIA,
> 
> peter

Well, Steve.  I said it was too simple for someone like me...  I can't figure out 
how to do what you advised.  

I'm on a Mac and the Epson manual says you have to trash your 2200 printer 
list.  I tried NOT trashing it, and it didn't work.  I can change the name of the 
first printer, but how do you instal the second printer and get profiles into the 
driver?  

When I select the printer in the Advanced settings as a QuadToneRip 2200, it's 
listed in the printer list, but when I select it in the driver in CS, there are no 
profiles with it even though I ran the 2200 profile instal.

peter



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale <
stevekale@b...> wrote:
> Well you don't need to trash/reinstall printers.  Add the printers with the
> MK cartridge in and then rename them to denote MK.  Put in the PK cartridge
> and add the printer(s) again, this time changing the name(s) to denote PK.
> Then select the printer depending on what cartridge is installed.
> 
> MK will rub off RC paper and give a very low dMax.
> 
> 
> > From: krn_ptr <krn_ptr@y...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:38:41 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Digital BW] PK or MK on QUAD 2200?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I've just sent my payment for this amazing piece of software.  Roy's efforts
> > are truly a service to the black and white digital printing community.  IMO,
> > he's turned my expensive piece of junk, into a capable black and white
> > printer.  Without the help of this group, I wouldn't have known about QTR or
> > have been able to get up and running so quickly.  Thank-you all.
> > 
> > Now to my question.  Has anyone tried using the supplied 2200 profiles for
> > matte paper with Photo Black ink, or, Matte Black ink on glossy/semi 
papers?

> > I'm finding it a real hassle (not to mention a waste of ink) having to change
> > back and forth from MK to PK.  Each time, I have to go through the Epson
> > "dance of a dozen steps" to trash/reinstall printers etc.  (It occurs to me
> > now, 
> > that there might be a way to do this in Applescript -- not that I have the
> > faintest idea how!)
> > 
> > TIA,
> > 
> > peter
> > 
> >

Ok so go to Printer Setup Utility and delete all the Epson printers.  Insert
MK cartridge and turn on printer (I use USB so that I can use QTR as well).
Add the Epson USB 2200 printer (or printers if you want all the driver
options).  Rename them to denote MK (command i).  Now put in the PK
cartridge.  Add the printers again - they will have their generic names
again.  Select each and command i to change their names. That does the Epson
drivers.

QTR doesn't know nor care whether PK or MK is installed.  So your QTR issue
is independent of switching cartridges.  Check your CurveDropBox and see if
it contains the .quad files.  Sounds like your profile install didn't work.
My install of QTR was done some time ago and I am not really familiar with
Roy's new easy install procedures.

> From: krn_ptr <krn_ptr@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:33:09 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] PK or MK on QUAD 2200?
> 
> 
> 
> Well, Steve.  I said it was too simple for someone like me...  I can't figure
> out 
> how to do what you advised.
> 
> I'm on a Mac and the Epson manual says you have to trash your 2200 printer
> list.  I tried NOT trashing it, and it didn't work.  I can change the name of
> the 
> first printer, but how do you instal the second printer and get profiles into
> the 
> driver?  
> 
> When I select the printer in the Advanced settings as a QuadToneRip 2200, it's
> listed in the printer list, but when I select it in the driver in CS, there
> are no 
> profiles with it even though I ran the 2200 profile instal.
> 
> peter

Yeah, thanks for your reply again, Steve.  Unfortunately, the suggested method 
doesn't really seem to apply to the new easy install procedure in v2.1d.  There 
is no CurveDropBox anymore that I can find.  

The install automatically sets up a printer which I have now named, 
QUAD2200MK.  You load the curves into that first printer the same way as in 
v2.0, using the terminal launched by the curves installer file. However, there 
doesn't seem to be any way to get the curves into the second Quad printer 
selected in the Printer Setup Utility. 

The good news is that the Epson 2200 Firewire printer I selected in the Printer 
Setup Utility to print colour, does work without having to trash/reinstall the 
printers etc.  So your idea would work if I only knew how to install a second 
QUAD2200PK printer and get the curves loaded.

peter




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale <
stevekale@b...> wrote:
> Ok so go to Printer Setup Utility and delete all the Epson printers.  Insert
> MK cartridge and turn on printer (I use USB so that I can use QTR as well).
> Add the Epson USB 2200 printer (or printers if you want all the driver
> options).  Rename them to denote MK (command i).  Now put in the PK
> cartridge.  Add the printers again - they will have their generic names
> again.  Select each and command i to change their names. That does the 
Epson
> drivers.
> 
> QTR doesn't know nor care whether PK or MK is installed.  So your QTR 
issue
> is independent of switching cartridges.  Check your CurveDropBox and see if
> it contains the .quad files.  Sounds like your profile install didn't work.
> My install of QTR was done some time ago and I am not really familiar with
> Roy's new easy install procedures.
> 
> 
> > From: krn_ptr <krn_ptr@y...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:33:09 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] PK or MK on QUAD 2200?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Well, Steve.  I said it was too simple for someone like me...  I can't figure
> > out 
> > how to do what you advised.
> > 
> > I'm on a Mac and the Epson manual says you have to trash your 2200 
printer
> > list.  I tried NOT trashing it, and it didn't work.  I can change the name of
> > the 
> > first printer, but how do you instal the second printer and get profiles into
> > the 
> > driver?  
> > 
> > When I select the printer in the Advanced settings as a QuadToneRip 
2200, it's

> > listed in the printer list, but when I select it in the driver in CS, there
> > are no 
> > profiles with it even though I ran the 2200 profile instal.
> > 
> > peter

Ok I think you or I are getting confused.  The only issue re swapping ink
cartridges arises with the Epson driver - not QTR.  If you use a Mac and the
Epson driver the procedure I described will avoid you having to delete
printer etc when swapping PK to MK and vice versa.  With QTR, it does NOT
care if you swap.  So you only need QUAD2200 once (as opposed to the Epson
driver where you should have two of all that you use - No Margins, Maximum,
Standard etc).  QUAD2200 can sit happily alongside your twin sets of Epson
drivers - just define the Epson ones first.

> From: krn_ptr <krn_ptr@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:45:40 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] PK or MK on QUAD 2200?
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah, thanks for your reply again, Steve.  Unfortunately, the suggested method
> doesn't really seem to apply to the new easy install procedure in v2.1d.
> There 
> is no CurveDropBox anymore that I can find.
> 
> The install automatically sets up a printer which I have now named,
> QUAD2200MK.  You load the curves into that first printer the same way as in
> v2.0, using the terminal launched by the curves installer file. However, there
> doesn't seem to be any way to get the curves into the second Quad printer
> selected in the Printer Setup Utility.
> 
> The good news is that the Epson 2200 Firewire printer I selected in the
> Printer 
> Setup Utility to print colour, does work without having to trash/reinstall the
> printers etc.  So your idea would work if I only knew how to install a second
> QUAD2200PK printer and get the curves loaded.
> 
> peter
>

Hi Steve,

You're right about the confusion, but it's not you, it's definitely me that's 
confused.  I completely misunderstood the problem, and your explanation.  I 
think I'm beginning to get it.

I thought I needed two iterations of the QUAD printer, but duh, the curves take 
care of the PK/MK issue in the QUAD driver; it's the Epson driver that's the 
problem.  

I'll try the double install of the two inks and the Epson drivers later when I get 
home, and let you know how it worked.  

Thanks for your patience.

peter


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale <
stevekale@b...> wrote:
> Ok I think you or I are getting confused.  The only issue re swapping ink
> cartridges arises with the Epson driver - not QTR.  If you use a Mac and the
> Epson driver the procedure I described will avoid you having to delete
> printer etc when swapping PK to MK and vice versa.  With QTR, it does NOT
> care if you swap.  So you only need QUAD2200 once (as opposed to the 
Epson
> driver where you should have two of all that you use - No Margins, Maximum,
> Standard etc).  QUAD2200 can sit happily alongside your twin sets of Epson
> drivers - just define the Epson ones first.
> 
> 
> > From: krn_ptr <krn_ptr@y...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:45:40 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] PK or MK on QUAD 2200?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yeah, thanks for your reply again, Steve.  Unfortunately, the suggested 
method
> > doesn't really seem to apply to the new easy install procedure in v2.1d.
> > There 
> > is no CurveDropBox anymore that I can find.
> > 
> > The install automatically sets up a printer which I have now named,
> > QUAD2200MK.  You load the curves into that first printer the same way as 
in
> > v2.0, using the terminal launched by the curves installer file. However, 
there

> > doesn't seem to be any way to get the curves into the second Quad printer
> > selected in the Printer Setup Utility.
> > 
> > The good news is that the Epson 2200 Firewire printer I selected in the
> > Printer 
> > Setup Utility to print colour, does work without having to trash/reinstall the
> > printers etc.  So your idea would work if I only knew how to install a second
> > QUAD2200PK printer and get the curves loaded.
> > 
> > peter
> >