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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Refillable cartridges problem (from MIS)

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Refillable cartridges problem (from MIS)

2005-04-02 by aderca@sbcglobal.net

Don't know if the cartridges you are using have a sponge,
but if they do, there is a limit to the number of times you
can refill a cartridge- "foam" starts building up to the point
where even trying to prime the cart by drawing 1cc with a
syringe won't clear the air bubbles inside.
I had been using a set for Canon and had to chuck them
after about 5-6 times.

Regards

Andrei
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: bwbonkers 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 3:48 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Refillable cartridges problem (from MIS)



  That sounds a little worrying. Just bought two sets myself. Firts set 
  has only had one refill so far and all is working fine. If I have a 
  problem I'll let you know. Checked the MIS site this morning and they 
  are still selling the carts. Looks like they have reduced the price.

  Hope you solve your problem.

  Peter.

  PS Have you asked MIS if this is a known issue?






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[Digital BW] Re: Refillable cartridges problem (from MIS)

2005-04-02 by interrogtr

My carts do have spongy (white in color) material on the side that 
feeds ink to the print heads. Maybe I'm going to find myself 
approaching the 5-6X useful life that you've experienced. I've 
probably refilled about 3 or 4 times so far.  Certainly affects the 
economy of using this system.

Does anyone sell carts without sponges?  Are sponges necessary?  
Anyone know about this issue?

Thanks.

Elizabeth

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> Don't know if the cartridges you are using have a sponge,
> but if they do, there is a limit to the number of times you
> can refill a cartridge- "foam" starts building up to the point
> where even trying to prime the cart by drawing 1cc with a
> syringe won't clear the air bubbles inside.
> I had been using a set for Canon and had to chuck them
> after about 5-6 times.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Andrei

Re: Refillable cartridges problem (from MIS)

2005-04-02 by bwbonkers

Elizabeth

This effect of ink residue in the sponge has always been an issue with 
the olders type of carts such as in the 1160, which contain all sponge, 
no reservoir. With this type of cart, you had to remove the foam 
residue after the carts had been refilled a few times. I got the 
impression that the carts you are using did not have this problem. 
However if your problem is due to this residue build up, it might be 
worth trying to remove it. Have a look on the MIS site for instructions 
on filling the older type of cart. It will show you how to remove this 
residue. Basically its just a matter of using a bottom fill adapter and 
a large syringe, to withdraw the ink foam residue. You would have to 
make sure that your carts are completely empty first, reservoir dry. 
However I do not know if this would work. Probably best to get advice 
from MIS.

Good luck.

Peter.

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Refillable cartridges problem (from MIS)

2005-04-03 by Paul Roark

Elizabeth,

>... 
> My carts do have spongy (white in color) material on the side that
> feeds ink to the print heads.

The new MIS EZ-refill 2200 and C86 carts have sponges over the outlets but
none in the reservoir where one fills the ink from a hole in the top.

> Maybe I'm going to find myself
> approaching the 5-6X useful life that you've experienced.

I'm not sure what the maximum number of refills is with the new MIS carts.
I have yet to have one go bad.

I do think that one should refill them before the printer says the cart is
empty.  In particular, I think they should be re-filled before the
sponge-less reservoir is empty so that air is never next to the channel
between that connects the 2 sections.  I'd keep them relatively full.
Hopefully the "foam" will never get down to the outlet area and never dry.

I also put tape over the air inlet on those that don't already have it.  The
end of the channel is, of course, open so that air can get into the cart.  I
presume the purpose of this design is to keep as little air from circulating
into the cart as possible.

If the sponge over the outlet does go dry, I suspect there could be problems
re-wetting it.


> Does anyone sell carts without sponges?

The new 1280 carts are sponge-less, but I have not seen that design for the
2200.

>  Are sponges necessary?

Among other things, they act as filters.



Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Refillable cartridges problem (from MIS)

2005-04-05 by toliwel@aol.com

Paul,

Is it possible to refill the EZ fill carts while they are in the printer?  Or 
do they have to be removed for refilling?  I use the SSC utility to reset the 
chips while they are in my 1280.  I used to fill the old sponge carts while 
in the printer to avoid introducing air into the nozzles during the change and 
wonder if I can do the same with the EZ's without interrupting the venting 
system.

Tom Wells

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Refillable cartridges problem (from MIS)

2005-04-05 by Paul Roark

Tom,

Since I need to reset the chips, I have not tried to re-fill the carts while
they are in the printer.  One thing that could be a problem is that without
the stopper in the cart it might start to drain out too fast.  Assuming you
worked fast, this might not be a problem.

Give it a try and let us know what happened.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: toliwel@... [mailto:toliwel@...]
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:02 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Refillable cartridges problem (from MIS)
> 
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Is it possible to refill the EZ fill carts while they are in the printer?
> Or
> do they have to be removed for refilling?  I use the SSC utility to reset
> the
> chips while they are in my 1280.  I used to fill the old sponge carts
> while
> in the printer to avoid introducing air into the nozzles during the change
> and
> wonder if I can do the same with the EZ's without interrupting the venting
> system.
> 
> Tom Wells
> 
> 
> 
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[Digital BW] Re: Refillable cartridges problem (from MIS)

2005-04-07 by jeffleeg8

Hi:

Just order the ones without the sponge. Just found out about them 
myself. I only got 3 to 4 refills out of the others.

Regards,

Jeff
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "interrogtr" 
<interrogtr@a...> wrote:
> 
> My carts do have spongy (white in color) material on the side that 
> feeds ink to the print heads. Maybe I'm going to find myself 
> approaching the 5-6X useful life that you've experienced. I've 
> probably refilled about 3 or 4 times so far.  Certainly affects 
the
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> economy of using this system.
> 
> Does anyone sell carts without sponges?  Are sponges necessary?  
> Anyone know about this issue?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <aderca@s...> 
> wrote:
> > Don't know if the cartridges you are using have a sponge,
> > but if they do, there is a limit to the number of times you
> > can refill a cartridge- "foam" starts building up to the point
> > where even trying to prime the cart by drawing 1cc with a
> > syringe won't clear the air bubbles inside.
> > I had been using a set for Canon and had to chuck them
> > after about 5-6 times.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Andrei

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Refillable cartridges problem (from MIS)

2005-04-07 by Steve Kale

Are you guys sure of that?  I have the refillable cartridges for the 21/2200
and they have foam in the side that feeds the print head.  NO problems and I
have loaded the cartridges quite a number of times.  Also, if there are air
bubbles developing it is not the fault of the foam but rather the poppet
valve when taking the cartridge out.  I find any air bubbles can be removed
by turning the cartridge up and giving it a squeeze.  I do not need to
"prime" the cartridges every time I refill them - only once on first load.
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> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:44:01 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Refillable cartridges problem (from MIS)
> 
> 
> 
> Hi:
> 
> Just order the ones without the sponge. Just found out about them
> myself. I only got 3 to 4 refills out of the others.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jeff
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "interrogtr"
> <interrogtr@a...> wrote:
>> 
>> My carts do have spongy (white in color) material on the side that
>> feeds ink to the print heads. Maybe I'm going to find myself
>> approaching the 5-6X useful life that you've experienced. I've
>> probably refilled about 3 or 4 times so far.  Certainly affects
> the 
>> economy of using this system.
>> 
>> Does anyone sell carts without sponges?  Are sponges necessary?
>> Anyone know about this issue?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <aderca@s...>
>> wrote:
>>> Don't know if the cartridges you are using have a sponge,
>>> but if they do, there is a limit to the number of times you
>>> can refill a cartridge- "foam" starts building up to the point
>>> where even trying to prime the cart by drawing 1cc with a
>>> syringe won't clear the air bubbles inside.
>>> I had been using a set for Canon and had to chuck them
>>> after about 5-6 times.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Andrei

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Refillable cartridges problem (from MIS)

2005-04-07 by Steve Kale

Sorry I should have referred to it as "sponge" to be consistent with the
earlier posts.
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> From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...>
 
> 
> Are you guys sure of that?  I have the refillable cartridges for the 21/2200
> and they have foam...

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