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RE: [Digital BW] entrada..or ?

2005-04-03 by Terry Ritz

Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] wrote:

> Just those noted originally.  For high end sales I've been 
> most comfortable selling Epson UltraSmooth due to Wilhelm and 
> my tests.  I think it, especially if lightly sprayed with 
> Lascaux Fixativ, has the best chance of not coming back to me 
> with problems.

Hi folks. I'm relatively new to the group, and have been lurking for a
while. I've picked up some outstanding information!

I understand the protection that PremierArt Print Shield and lacquers offer,
but I'm unclear about the advantages of applying a fix. Could someone
enlighten me?

Thanks!

Terry.

entrada..or ?

2005-04-14 by Djon

I'll soon need to order a few hundred sheets of 13X19 Moab Entrada
Natural (or similar)...I should sample some other papers first.

I have zero "flake" problem with Entrada...air-blasting eliminates the
culprit dust (apparently a problem in a batch last year)..Entrada
seems otherwise very resistant to abrasion etc. 

What other *relatively well known* (for marketing purposes), heavy,
natural, matte (minimal texture) papers would you suggest that I
sample, given that I will only be using OEM Ultrachrome?

RE: [Digital BW] entrada..or ?

2005-04-14 by Paul Roark

I think Epson UltraSmooth, aka PremierArt Fine Art Hot Press, is the most
durable paper I've used.  It has no OBAs and the least flaking.  I think the
dual-sided version (PremierArt 205) was found by a list member to be the
only paper that did not lose some black in a book situation.  It probably is
the brightest non-OBA paper, but has a dmax closer to Entrada than to Photo
Rag or Innova.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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> -----Original Message-----
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> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] entrada..or ?
> 
> 
> 
> I'll soon need to order a few hundred sheets of 13X19 Moab Entrada
> Natural (or similar)...I should sample some other papers first.
> 
> I have zero "flake" problem with Entrada...air-blasting eliminates the
> culprit dust (apparently a problem in a batch last year)..Entrada
> seems otherwise very resistant to abrasion etc.
> 
> What other *relatively well known* (for marketing purposes), heavy,
> natural, matte (minimal texture) papers would you suggest that I
> sample, given that I will only be using OEM Ultrachrome?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] entrada..or ?

2005-04-14 by Djon

<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> dual-sided version (PremierArt 205)    It probably is
> the brightest non-OBA paper, but has a dmax closer to Entrada than
to Photo Rag or Innova.

Paul, in a nutshell, what's the relative dmax of the three you
mentioned: Entrada, Photo Rag, and Innova?

What other relative virtues do you see in each of those? Have you
tried Museum Digital?

Re: [Digital BW] entrada..or ?

2005-04-14 by Andre

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> I think Epson UltraSmooth, aka PremierArt Fine Art Hot Press, is the
most
> durable paper I've used.  

One other paper from Premier Art that I'm using is Premium Matte
210gsm. I just wish they made a 300gsm version of this 100% cotton
paper. It's a bright white paper and with UT-FS the prints do not have
that bluish tint of cold toned paper like the former Museum Bright
White from Inkjetmall.

Cheers,
Andre Moreau

RE: [Digital BW] entrada..or ?

2005-04-14 by Paul Roark

>   <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > dual-sided version (PremierArt 205)    It probably is
> > the brightest non-OBA paper, but has a dmax closer to Entrada than
> to Photo Rag or Innova.
> 
> Paul, in a nutshell, what's the relative dmax of the three you
> mentioned: Entrada, Photo Rag, and Innova?

Photo Rag is the best, Innova and PermaJet second, Entrada and
UltraSmooth/PremierArt Fine Art third, but still within my "acceptable"
range of 1.6 or above.

> What other relative virtues do you see in each of those?

Just those noted originally.  For high end sales I've been most comfortable
selling Epson UltraSmooth due to Wilhelm and my tests.  I think it,
especially if lightly sprayed with Lascaux Fixativ, has the best chance of
not coming back to me with problems.

> Have you tried Museum Digital?

Yes, and it is not a paper I'll use or recommend.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] entrada..or ?

2005-04-14 by Djon

Paul (and others) thanks for your valuable observations.

John Kelly

> 
> Photo Rag is the best, Innova and PermaJet second, Entrada and
> UltraSmooth/PremierArt Fine Art third, but still within my "acceptable"
> range of 1.6 or above.
> 
> > What other relative virtues do you see in each of those?
> 
> Just those noted originally.  For high end sales I've been most
comfortable
> selling Epson UltraSmooth due to Wilhelm and my tests.  I think it,
> especially if lightly sprayed with Lascaux Fixativ, has the best
chance of
> not coming back to me with problems.

Re: [Digital BW] entrada..or ?

2005-04-14 by dfaprinting

Paul, have you tried any of the Hawk Mountain papers? There are a few 
that are nice, but I'm not getting the black that I would prefer and I 
just wanted to see if you had the same thing since I know we both use 
some flavor of Eboni black. I'm thinking this is mostly a property of 
this all pigment black ink. Same goes for the Innova papers, the black 
is close to what I get on German Etching, and it does reach full 
density, but those papers are just a little higher than the GE paper.

RE: [Digital BW] entrada..or ?

2005-04-14 by Paul Roark

> Paul, have you tried any of the Hawk Mountain papers? There are a few
> that are nice, but I'm not getting the black that I would prefer and I
> just wanted to see if you had the same thing since I know we both use
> some flavor of Eboni black. I'm thinking this is mostly a property of
> this all pigment black ink. Same goes for the Innova papers, the black
> is close to what I get on German Etching, and it does reach full
> density, but those papers are just a little higher than the GE paper.
> 

Yes, I have a sampler of their paper.  The Condor is a favorite of some BO
printers due to its cool printing and reasonable dmax.  My opinion of it is
that it is essentially the same as Moab Bright White and the old Brightcube
Eclipse Satine, which is the source of both papers' coatings.  The Eclipse
paper is still available from www.Photowarehouse.biz at 1-800-922-5484 (in
the paper catalog, but not on line) at super-low prices.

I didn't find the other papers in the Hawk Mtn. sampler to be ones I'd
recommend.  My observations concerning the black was similar to yours.

Of course, no pigment is going to be able to match a dye with respect to
dmax.  However, I find after 1.65 the visual differences on matte paper are
minimal.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] entrada..or ?

2005-04-14 by dfaprinting

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> My observations concerning the black was similar to yours.
> 
> Of course, no pigment is going to be able to match a dye with respect 
to
> dmax.  However, I find after 1.65 the visual differences on matte 
paper are
> minimal.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

OK, good, it isn't just me. Thanks for confirming my observations, Greg.

Lascaux Fixativ (was "entrada..or ?")

2005-04-16 by Paul Roark

Terry,

Lascaux Fixativ is like PremierArt Print Shield, except it does not reduce
the dmax of matte papers significantly -- which Print Shield does.  So, I
use Print Shield on glossy papers (where it increases dmax) and Lascaux on
matte papers.

Lascaux Fixativ is sold at painting supply houses like Dick Blick.  See
http://www.dickblick.com/zz217/14/products.asp?param=0&ig_id=4138.  It is
composed of the Rohm & Haas B72 acrylic formula that is well known for its
archival character.  It does not have any UV absorbing additives and does
not add to pigment lightfastness.  It is used by many pastel painters for
physical protection of the picture with the least visible effect, which is
just what I'm looking for also.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry
> Ritz
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 1:53 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] entrada..or ?
> 
> 
> Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] wrote:
> 
> > Just those noted originally.  For high end sales I've been
> > most comfortable selling Epson UltraSmooth due to Wilhelm and
> > my tests.  I think it, especially if lightly sprayed with
> > Lascaux Fixativ, has the best chance of not coming back to me
> > with problems.
> 
> Hi folks. I'm relatively new to the group, and have been lurking for a
> while. I've picked up some outstanding information!
> 
> I understand the protection that PremierArt Print Shield and lacquers
> offer,
> but I'm unclear about the advantages of applying a fix. Could someone
> enlighten me?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Terry.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Lascaux Fixativ (was "entrada..or ?")

2005-04-16 by Carl Schofield

Paul,

I have some sepia prints I made on matte canvas (BC Brilliance 2) that 
are mounted on gatorfoam and I want to display them in simple frames 
without glazing.  Which (Lascaux or PrintShield or something else?) do 
you think would be best for physical protection and minimal change in 
the surface appearance of the prints?

Carl
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On Apr 16, 2005, at 6:18 PM, Paul Roark wrote:

>
> Terry,
>
> Lascaux Fixativ is like PremierArt Print Shield, except it does not 
> reduce
> the dmax of matte papers significantly -- which Print Shield does.  
> So, I
> use Print Shield on glossy papers (where it increases dmax) and 
> Lascaux on
> matte papers.
>
> Lascaux Fixativ is sold at painting supply houses like Dick Blick.  See
> http://www.dickblick.com/zz217/14/products.asp?param=0&ig_id=4138.  It 
> is
> composed of the Rohm & Haas B72 acrylic formula that is well known for 
> its
> archival character.  It does not have any UV absorbing additives and 
> does
> not add to pigment lightfastness.  It is used by many pastel painters 
> for
> physical protection of the picture with the least visible effect, 
> which is
> just what I'm looking for also.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Terry
>> Ritz
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 1:53 PM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] entrada..or ?
>>
>>
>> Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] wrote:
>>
>>> Just those noted originally.  For high end sales I've been
>>> most comfortable selling Epson UltraSmooth due to Wilhelm and
>>> my tests.  I think it, especially if lightly sprayed with
>>> Lascaux Fixativ, has the best chance of not coming back to me
>>> with problems.
>>
>> Hi folks. I'm relatively new to the group, and have been lurking for a
>> while. I've picked up some outstanding information!
>>
>> I understand the protection that PremierArt Print Shield and lacquers
>> offer,
>> but I'm unclear about the advantages of applying a fix. Could someone
>> enlighten me?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Terry.

RE: [Digital BW] Lascaux Fixativ (was "entrada..or ?")

2005-04-17 by Paul Roark

Carl,

I don't use canvas, so I'm not all that familiar with the surfaces.  If it's
really a matte surface, where you used matte black ink, then I'd go with the
Lascaux.  It has the least impact on matte images.  The protection isn't
very great, but it's a lot better than nothing.  On the "glossy" surfaces I
can clean them with a damp paper towel.  That won't happen on a matte
surface.  It will still be easy to damage.

I think there may be canvasses the are, in effect, glossy, take the Premier
Art spray, and become much better protected.  In fact, the Premier Art
canvas is the one I'm thinking of.  However, I have not used or tested
these.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl
> Schofield
> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 2:37 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Lascaux Fixativ (was "entrada..or ?")
> 
> 
> Paul,
> 
> I have some sepia prints I made on matte canvas (BC Brilliance 2) that
> are mounted on gatorfoam and I want to display them in simple frames
> without glazing.  Which (Lascaux or PrintShield or something else?) do
> you think would be best for physical protection and minimal change in
> the surface appearance of the prints?
> 
> Carl
> 
> On Apr 16, 2005, at 6:18 PM, Paul Roark wrote:
> 
> >
> > Terry,
> >
> > Lascaux Fixativ is like PremierArt Print Shield, except it does not
> > reduce
> > the dmax of matte papers significantly -- which Print Shield does.
> > So, I
> > use Print Shield on glossy papers (where it increases dmax) and
> > Lascaux on
> > matte papers.
> >
> > Lascaux Fixativ is sold at painting supply houses like Dick Blick.  See
> > http://www.dickblick.com/zz217/14/products.asp?param=0&ig_id=4138.  It
> > is
> > composed of the Rohm & Haas B72 acrylic formula that is well known for
> > its
> > archival character.  It does not have any UV absorbing additives and
> > does
> > not add to pigment lightfastness.  It is used by many pastel painters
> > for
> > physical protection of the picture with the least visible effect,
> > which is
> > just what I'm looking for also.
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> >> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Terry
> >> Ritz
> >> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 1:53 PM
> >> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] entrada..or ?
> >>
> >>
> >> Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just those noted originally.  For high end sales I've been
> >>> most comfortable selling Epson UltraSmooth due to Wilhelm and
> >>> my tests.  I think it, especially if lightly sprayed with
> >>> Lascaux Fixativ, has the best chance of not coming back to me
> >>> with problems.
> >>
> >> Hi folks. I'm relatively new to the group, and have been lurking for a
> >> while. I've picked up some outstanding information!
> >>
> >> I understand the protection that PremierArt Print Shield and lacquers
> >> offer,
> >> but I'm unclear about the advantages of applying a fix. Could someone
> >> enlighten me?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Terry.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Lascaux Fixativ (was "entrada..or ?")

2005-04-17 by Carl Schofield

Thanks Paul.  I'll give the Lascaux a try.
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On Apr 16, 2005, at 8:53 PM, Paul Roark wrote:

>
> Carl,
>
> I don't use canvas, so I'm not all that familiar with the surfaces.  
> If it's
> really a matte surface, where you used matte black ink, then I'd go 
> with the
> Lascaux.  It has the least impact on matte images.  The protection 
> isn't
> very great, but it's a lot better than nothing.  On the "glossy" 
> surfaces I
> can clean them with a damp paper towel.  That won't happen on a matte
> surface.  It will still be easy to damage.
>
> I think there may be canvasses the are, in effect, glossy, take the 
> Premier
> Art spray, and become much better protected.  In fact, the Premier Art
> canvas is the one I'm thinking of.  However, I have not used or tested
> these.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Carl
>> Schofield
>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 2:37 PM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Lascaux Fixativ (was "entrada..or ?")
>>
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> I have some sepia prints I made on matte canvas (BC Brilliance 2) that
>> are mounted on gatorfoam and I want to display them in simple frames
>> without glazing.  Which (Lascaux or PrintShield or something else?) do
>> you think would be best for physical protection and minimal change in
>> the surface appearance of the prints?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2005, at 6:18 PM, Paul Roark wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Terry,
>>>
>>> Lascaux Fixativ is like PremierArt Print Shield, except it does not
>>> reduce
>>> the dmax of matte papers significantly -- which Print Shield does.
>>> So, I
>>> use Print Shield on glossy papers (where it increases dmax) and
>>> Lascaux on
>>> matte papers.
>>>
>>> Lascaux Fixativ is sold at painting supply houses like Dick Blick.  
>>> See
>>> http://www.dickblick.com/zz217/14/products.asp?param=0&ig_id=4138.  
>>> It
>>> is
>>> composed of the Rohm & Haas B72 acrylic formula that is well known 
>>> for
>>> its
>>> archival character.  It does not have any UV absorbing additives and
>>> does
>>> not add to pigment lightfastness.  It is used by many pastel painters
>>> for
>>> physical protection of the picture with the least visible effect,
>>> which is
>>> just what I'm looking for also.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> www.PaulRoark.com
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Terry
>>>> Ritz
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 1:53 PM
>>>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] entrada..or ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just those noted originally.  For high end sales I've been
>>>>> most comfortable selling Epson UltraSmooth due to Wilhelm and
>>>>> my tests.  I think it, especially if lightly sprayed with
>>>>> Lascaux Fixativ, has the best chance of not coming back to me
>>>>> with problems.
>>>>
>>>> Hi folks. I'm relatively new to the group, and have been lurking 
>>>> for a
>>>> while. I've picked up some outstanding information!
>>>>
>>>> I understand the protection that PremierArt Print Shield and 
>>>> lacquers
>>>> offer,
>>>> but I'm unclear about the advantages of applying a fix. Could 
>>>> someone
>>>> enlighten me?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Terry.

RE: [Digital BW] ECO Print Shield (was Lascaux Fixativ)

2005-04-17 by Terry Ritz

Paul Roark wrote:

> Lascaux Fixativ is like PremierArt Print Shield, except it 
> does not reduce the dmax of matte papers significantly -- 
> which Print Shield does.  So, I use Print Shield on glossy 
> papers (where it increases dmax) and Lascaux on matte papers.

Thanks Paul. I appreciate the information.

I've just run across ECO Print Shield from PremierArt. This looks like a
varnish-style coating, perhaps similar to Golden's varnish. Has anyone tried
this product?

Thanks.

Terry.

RE: [Digital BW] ECO Print Shield (was Lascaux Fixativ)

2005-04-18 by Paul Roark

I have used a little of the Eco Print Shield.  It is similar to the
water-based coatings we were using a couple years ago, including the Golden
product.  As with them, for the home or individual user, one question is how
best to apply the rather viscous material.  I found the Mayer rod worked
well at 8x10, but I didn't have much luck scaling it up.

Some seem to have luck with airbrushes.  The large HVLP sprayers seem to do
well, but they are a bit overkill for most of us.  Some also have good
results with rollers.

I abandoned the water-borne coatings for other reasons also.  Most if not
all never totally lost their tendency to adhere to the back of other prints.
I don't know if the Eco Print Shield also suffers from this.

It deserves further testing, and some time I hope to get back to it.  I
think if the application were convenient and it dried thoroughly, it might
give better protection to a print than the solvent based versions.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry
> Ritz
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 1:29 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] ECO Print Shield (was Lascaux Fixativ)
> 
> 
> Paul Roark wrote:
> 
> > Lascaux Fixativ is like PremierArt Print Shield, except it
> > does not reduce the dmax of matte papers significantly --
> > which Print Shield does.  So, I use Print Shield on glossy
> > papers (where it increases dmax) and Lascaux on matte papers.
> 
> Thanks Paul. I appreciate the information.
> 
> I've just run across ECO Print Shield from PremierArt. This looks like a
> varnish-style coating, perhaps similar to Golden's varnish. Has anyone
> tried
> this product?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Terry.
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [Digital BW] ECO Print Shield (was Lascaux Fixativ)

2005-04-18 by Terry Ritz

The Golden solvent-based coating in a spray can seems very convenient, other
than the need to vent fumes and wear a mask. I've not run across a
water-based coating in this packaging yet.

Thanks!

Terry.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Paul Roark
> Sent: April 17, 2005 10:54 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] ECO Print Shield (was Lascaux Fixativ)
> 
> 
> I have used a little of the Eco Print Shield.  It is similar 
> to the water-based coatings we were using a couple years ago, 
> including the Golden product.  As with them, for the home or 
> individual user, one question is how best to apply the rather 
> viscous material.  I found the Mayer rod worked well at 8x10, 
> but I didn't have much luck scaling it up.
> 
> Some seem to have luck with airbrushes.  The large HVLP 
> sprayers seem to do well, but they are a bit overkill for 
> most of us.  Some also have good results with rollers.
> 
> I abandoned the water-borne coatings for other reasons also.  
> Most if not all never totally lost their tendency to adhere 
> to the back of other prints.
> I don't know if the Eco Print Shield also suffers from this.
> 
> It deserves further testing, and some time I hope to get back 
> to it.  I think if the application were convenient and it 
> dried thoroughly, it might give better protection to a print 
> than the solvent based versions.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Terry Ritz
> > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 1:29 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] ECO Print Shield (was Lascaux Fixativ)
> > 
> > 
> > Paul Roark wrote:
> > 
> > > Lascaux Fixativ is like PremierArt Print Shield, except 
> it does not 
> > > reduce the dmax of matte papers significantly -- which 
> Print Shield 
> > > does.  So, I use Print Shield on glossy papers (where it 
> increases 
> > > dmax) and Lascaux on matte papers.
> > 
> > Thanks Paul. I appreciate the information.
> > 
> > I've just run across ECO Print Shield from PremierArt. This 
> looks like 
> > a varnish-style coating, perhaps similar to Golden's varnish. Has 
> > anyone tried this product?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Terry.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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