Digital BW, The Print

I was considering switching my Epson 4000 over to MIS UltraChrome 
equivalents, mainly for cost savings.  

Is anyone using these inks in a 4000?  If so, how do you like them and 
how do they compare to the Epson UC inks?

Do you buy the filled cartridges or refill your own?

Any clogging, Dmax, color gamut, or other issues?

Any fading or permanence problems?

Any final words of advice or caution?

Thanks alot, 

Lou

Lou,

Yes.  I'm using MIS UC equivalents in my 4000.  I also subsituted PKN  
for PK and LKN (UT7 LK) for LK.  I didn't bother flushing when I  
switched, but I did print some purge files to hasten the transition.   
Obviously you need to re-profile all of your papers, but not a big  
problem.  I bought two sets of empty carts and refill from bulk  
inks.  No clogging problems, but I haven't been using the MIS inks  
very long (just starting to use my second set of inks).

Carl

On May 5, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Louis Dina wrote:

> I was considering switching my Epson 4000 over to MIS UltraChrome
> equivalents, mainly for cost savings.
>
> Is anyone using these inks in a 4000?  If so, how do you like them and
> how do they compare to the Epson UC inks?
>
> Do you buy the filled cartridges or refill your own?
>
> Any clogging, Dmax, color gamut, or other issues?
>
> Any fading or permanence problems?
>
> Any final words of advice or caution?
>
> Thanks alot,
>
> Lou
>
>
>

Thanks, Carl.

What do you think of the color gamut, Dmax, etc?  Is it as good as 
the UC inks?  The MIS site claims implies better results on glossy 
paper (I'm assuming they means less bronzing).

Have you compared profiles in a 3D gamut plotting program such as 
ColorThink?

Thanks,

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
<scho@m...> wrote:
> Lou,
> 
> Yes.  I'm using MIS UC equivalents in my 4000.  I also subsituted 
PKN  
> for PK and LKN (UT7 LK) for LK.  I didn't bother flushing when I  
> switched, but I did print some purge files to hasten the 
transition.   
> Obviously you need to re-profile all of your papers, but not a big  
> problem.  I bought two sets of empty carts and refill from bulk  
> inks.  No clogging problems, but I haven't been using the MIS inks  
> very long (just starting to use my second set of inks).
> 
> Carl
> 
> On May 5, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Louis Dina wrote:
> 
> > I was considering switching my Epson 4000 over to MIS UltraChrome
> > equivalents, mainly for cost savings.
> >
> > Is anyone using these inks in a 4000?  If so, how do you like 
them and

> > how do they compare to the Epson UC inks?
> >
> > Do you buy the filled cartridges or refill your own?
> >
> > Any clogging, Dmax, color gamut, or other issues?
> >
> > Any fading or permanence problems?
> >
> > Any final words of advice or caution?
> >
> > Thanks alot,
> >
> > Lou
> >
> >
> >

I was using the older version Image Specialists Ultra inks (MIS calls 
them GP Archival) in my 9500, they were turning out gamuts nearly as 
large as the UC replacements (Ultra 2). There is a new UltraPro ink 
that has really nice gamut, but you will need a good RIP with ink 
limiting for the primary and secondary colors. It's a heavier pigment 
load, so clogging will be increased. Gloss differential is reduced, 
but it looks like they had to reduce the dmax a little to accomplish 
this. I don't do much in the way of gloss/luster, so I don't have 
much use for the PK ink. When I ploted the gamut and compared it to 
the R1800 latest profiles, I was pretty close in the colors, but the 
dmax is a bit higher. A little more optimizing should have gotten the 
colors even closer, but I'm switching inks back to the matte black to 
set things up for normal use. Reds and yellows are just plain 
fantastic. The matte black is slightly better than Eboni.

Luster paper compared is here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/Greg_E/UPr1800Comp.gif
compared to HP 130 that I built some profiles for is here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/Greg_E/UltraPro.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/Greg_E/UltraPro2.jpg

Please note, the HP130 comparison was done with the matte black ink 
on luster paper. The papers in these comparisons were not the same 
paper, just the same type.

I'm looking forward to seeing what this ink can do on German Etching, 
and the Intelicoat cotton/poly canvas.

If you are interested in this new ink, please contact me off list, I 
may try to put a buying group together so that everyone can get this 
ink at cost, minimum order is 1 gallon per color, or somewhere above 
$2000 USD for an order, hence the need to pool money. I'm also trying 
to work out some kind of discount for the RIP I am testing with this 
ink.