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2005-06-13 by antmagrat
I am considering shooting only color film (overseas) and having it processed before I leave for the states, (either E-6 or C-41). Then scanning and using grayscale for B&W. Is this crazy? Will I lose image quality not using black and white film? I am a Quad tone fine art printer and make 24x30 images all the time. Help? MS
2005-06-13 by Mark Savoia
Yes. Shoot B&W film and bring it back for processing if you can not find a local lab that can process it. Ask (force) them to do a hand inspection at airports. Mark On Jun 13, 2005, at 4:47 PM, antmagrat wrote: > Is this crazy?
2005-06-13 by Adam Maas
Have you considered shooting Chromagenic B&W? It processes in C-41 chemistry, but produces a printable B&W negative. I've had good luck in the few conversions form E100VS or RSXII 50 I've done. -Adam antmagrat wrote:
> I am considering shooting only color film (overseas) and having it > processed before I leave > for the states, (either E-6 or C-41). Then scanning and using grayscale > for B&W. Is this > crazy? Will I lose image quality not using black and white film? I am > a Quad tone fine art > printer and make 24x30 images all the time. > > Help? > > MS > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources > as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this > same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed > from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files > section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND > \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; > (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Yahoo! Groups Links* > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > >
2005-06-13 by will gibson
Margaret, I'd test the 400CN from Kodak and / or the XP2 from Ilford. They're C-41 films without the colored dyes. So there are 3 layers of emulsion. And low grain for the speed. Very smooth in tonal gradations and forgiving in exposure. But the negatives are definitely different than other BW films, so testing a roll or two thru the whole process including the scans is the way to go. But then any lab can scratch the negs during processing and it's harder to find good wetlabs anywhere. Hard to tell what airport security will do. I tried to travel with Infra red and was fine with the 120 but 35 mm had to be checked out; in daylight. Good Luck Will antmagrat wrote:
>I am considering shooting only color film (overseas) and having it processed >before I leave >for the states, (either E-6 or C-41). Then scanning and using grayscale for >B&W. Is this >crazy? Will I lose image quality not using black and white film? I am a Quad >tone fine art >printer and make 24x30 images all the time. > >Help? > >MS > > > > >Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they >are often being updated. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > >If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to >unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > >Please follow these basic guidelines: >- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them >short. >- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, >aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. >- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W >printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the >membership. >- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, >and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See >\ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > >BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! >GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF >DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, >INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT >NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER >INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE >PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), >RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT >YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR >DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE >PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE >PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > >
2005-06-14 by Margaret Stratton
Thank you for your reply. When you say the XP2 is "different" what does that connote? Are you saying the films are quality comparable (i.e. latitude, grain, resolution) but you need to learn how to use them properly before using theme in the field? Do you know if there is a website where I can do further research? Last time I was in Italy I processed all my B&W film before leaving, with Pyro. Not a great experience but I came home with the goods! Thanks again, Margaret On Jun 13, 2005, at 6:58 PM, will gibson wrote: > Margaret, > > I'd test the 400CN from Kodak and / or the XP2 from Ilford. They're > C-41 > films without the colored dyes. So there are 3 layers of emulsion. And > low grain for the speed. Very smooth in tonal gradations and forgiving > in exposure. But the negatives are definitely different than other BW > films, so testing a roll or two thru the whole process including the > scans is the way to go. But then any lab can scratch the negs during > processing and it's harder to find good wetlabs anywhere. Hard to tell > what airport security will do. I tried to travel with Infra red and was > fine with the 120 but 35 mm had to be checked out; in daylight. > > Good Luck > > Will > > antmagrat wrote: > >> I am considering shooting only color film (overseas) and having it >> processed >> before I leave >> for the states, (either E-6 or C-41). Then scanning and using >> grayscale for >> B&W. Is this >> crazy? Will I lose image quality not using black and white film? I >> am a Quad >> tone fine art >> printer and make 24x30 images all the time. >> >> Help? >> >> MS >> >> >> >> >> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other >> resources as they >> are often being updated. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >> >> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish >> to >> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this >> same page. >> >> Please follow these basic guidelines: >> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to >> keep them >> short. >> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or >> flames. Hostile, >> aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership >> without notice. >> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital >> B&W >> printing. 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2005-06-14 by Barbara White
I've done it and it works great! Only don't use greyscale. Use the channel mixer! Barbara On Jun 13, 2005, at 1:47 PM, antmagrat wrote: > I am considering shooting only color film (overseas) and having it > processed before I leave > for the states, (either E-6 or C-41). Then scanning and using > grayscale for B&W. Is this > crazy? Will I lose image quality not using black and white film? > I am a Quad tone fine art > printer and make 24x30 images all the time. > > Help? > > M barbara@... http://www.worldartphotographs.com
2005-06-14 by Craig Sanders
I would absolutely shoot in color then convert to B&W. There are several methods available, ranging from simple desaturation to using the channel mixer to copying each channel into a separate layer then masking them and "painting" your B&W filters in place. This last method (not mine, came from John Caponigro) gives the most control. The method effectively allows you to place filters on your camera (as you would for shooting in B&W), but the color and density of the "filters" you apply are infinitely variable. So, for example, say you shot a tree with a dramatic sky behind it. If you were shooting in B&W, you would probably opt for a yellow or orange filter to darken the sky. However, this will also lighten the greens in the tree. Using the method I'm talking about, you can effectively apply an orange filter to the sky only, and possibly a green filter to the tree, actually darkening the foliage. Craig _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Barbara White Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 6:12 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Quality of Color Neg Film vs B&W I've done it and it works great! Only don't use greyscale. Use the channel mixer! Barbara On Jun 13, 2005, at 1:47 PM, antmagrat wrote: > I am considering shooting only color film (overseas) and having it > processed before I leave > for the states, (either E-6 or C-41). Then scanning and using > grayscale for B&W. Is this > crazy? Will I lose image quality not using black and white film? > I am a Quad tone fine art > printer and make 24x30 images all the time. > > Help? > > M barbara@... http://www.worldartphotographs.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Uns ubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-06-16 by Margaret Stratton
Thanks Craig, That helps a lot. Do you know if there is a particular color film you would recommend? I would like to test it before I go off to Europe. Thanks again, Margaret On Jun 13, 2005, at 11:02 PM, Craig Sanders wrote: > I would absolutely shoot in color then convert to B&W. > > > > There are several methods available, ranging from simple desaturation > to > using the channel mixer to copying each channel into a separate layer > then > masking them and "painting" your B&W filters in place. This last > method (not > mine, came from John Caponigro) gives the most control. The method > effectively allows you to place filters on your camera (as you would > for > shooting in B&W), but the color and density of the "filters" you > apply are > infinitely variable. So, for example, say you shot a tree with a > dramatic > sky behind it. If you were shooting in B&W, you would probably opt > for a > yellow or orange filter to darken the sky. However, this will also > lighten > the greens in the tree. Using the method I'm talking about, you can > effectively apply an orange filter to the sky only, and possibly a > green > filter to the tree, actually darkening the foliage. > > > > Craig > > > > � _____� > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Barbara > White > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 6:12 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Quality of Color Neg Film vs B&W > > > > I've done it and it works great! Only don't use greyscale. Use the� > channel mixer! > > Barbara > On Jun 13, 2005, at 1:47 PM, antmagrat wrote: > > > I am considering shooting only color film (overseas) and having it� > > processed before I leave > > for the states, (either E-6 or C-41).� Then scanning and using� > > grayscale for B&W.� Is this > > crazy?� Will I lose image quality not using black and white film?�� > > I am a Quad tone fine art > > printer and make 24x30 images all the time. > > > > Help? > > > > M > barbara@... > http://www.worldartphotographs.com > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this > same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. 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2005-06-16 by helen_bach2003
Margaret, I hope that you don't mind me jumping in here. I've switched to Kodak Ultra 100 and 400 as my all-round films, mainly because of their extreme scene brightness range (around 13 stops, thanks to their overexposure latitude) that is all usable when scanned. In low light I use Portra 800, pushing it two stops if necessary. Best, Helen
2005-06-16 by AWStolzing@aol.com
I'd also recommend Kodak negative colour films (in my case, Royal Supra, which is I think unfortunately discontinued). They scan much better than Fuji in terms of grain particularly. In extremis genuine Black and White migth still have an edge though. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]