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C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-11 by mepreuss

I recently tooled a brand new C86 with MIS EZ inks and have been very
happy with the results.  However on close inspection of the prints I
see random black dots in any light area, including shaded and
non-shaded areas.  For example I can see them through out a White
Point Target including the white border areas with the numerical
values.  

They are not noticable at normal viewing distances, but still I am
curious if this is normal or not.

Thanks - Marty Preuss

Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-11 by Scott McLoughlin

What paper, what inks, Epson driver/slider settings, etc.?

Scott

mepreuss wrote:
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> I recently tooled a brand new C86 with MIS EZ inks and have been very
> happy with the results. However on close inspection of the prints I
> see random black dots in any light area, including shaded and
> non-shaded areas. For example I can see them through out a White
> Point Target including the white border areas with the numerical
> values.
>
> They are not noticable at normal viewing distances, but still I am
> curious if this is normal or not.
>
> Thanks - Marty Preuss
>
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Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-11 by mepreuss

Paper - EEM, Ink - MIS EZN in MIS cartridges, Default Epson settings
(no slider adjustments), Gamma 1.8

Marty 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Scott McLoughlin
<scott@a...> wrote:
> What paper, what inks, Epson driver/slider settings, etc.?
> 
> Scott
> 
> mepreuss wrote:
> 
> > I recently tooled a brand new C86 with MIS EZ inks and have been very
> > happy with the results. However on close inspection of the prints I
> > see random black dots in any light area, including shaded and
> > non-shaded areas. For example I can see them through out a White
> > Point Target including the white border areas with the numerical
> > values.
> >
> > They are not noticable at normal viewing distances, but still I am
> > curious if this is normal or not.
> >
> > Thanks - Marty Preuss
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-12 by Matt Haber

I suspect it's a dirty head. I've had that problem, and cleaning the 
underside of the print head with an ammonia saturate towel will clear 
it up.
-matt
--
Matt Haber
dance, portrait and fashion photography
http://www.matthaber.com

Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-26 by Jeff Medkeff

This was on the list a couple weeks ago:



mepreuss wrote:


> I recently tooled a brand new C86 with MIS EZ inks and have been very
> happy with the results.  However on close inspection of the prints I
> see random black dots in any light area, including shaded and
> non-shaded areas.


Matt Haber wrote:

> I suspect it's a dirty head. I've had that problem, and cleaning the 
> underside of the print head with an ammonia saturate towel will clear 
> it up.




Marty, did you ever try cleaning as described? Did that solve the 
problem? (The random black dots are showing up in my prints, as well.)

Can anyone point me to a procedure for cleaning the underside of the C86 
print head with Windex (or etc)? The specific difficulty I'm having is 
understanding how to reach the underside of the print head. I'm a 
small-fingered man, but I can't come close to reaching it, and it is 
non-obvious to me how to remove it. (I *am* a mechanical moron, so none 
of this is surprising.)

I've gotten to the point where (excepting the black dots) I am really 
liking the output of this combination (C86-EZN) and I'm getting 
consistent, predictable results. I've made several prints now that I 
think are gorgeous, and I'm usually terribly nonplussed with my own 
results. I'm very impressed with this combination, and have to thank 
Paul Roark and his website again for turning me on to it.

Thanks for any assist,

--
Jeff Medkeff
Eagle River, Alaska

Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-26 by Douglas meeuwsen

Howdy....
having a great time this summer with my 2400
I'm pretty sure that everyone is hip to lenswork magazine, and I am 
wondering if any of us has been able to get that color of print, using 
the Advanced BW mode of the K3 inkset. The warm setting is not quite 
it, so I am doing a bit of experimentation. I have a pretty nice 
setting of Horizontal =2 and verticle =10 that I like but it is not 
that lenswork color. That might be some kind of duo-tone that is way 
over my head, and might need different settings for the highlights and 
shadows. Anybody trying to get that vibe out of K3?

Re: Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-26 by Scott Jones

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas 
meeuwsen <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> Howdy....
> having a great time this summer with my 2400
> I'm pretty sure that everyone is hip to lenswork magazine, and I 
am 
> wondering if any of us has been able to get that color of print, 
using 
> the Advanced BW mode of the K3 inkset. The warm setting is not 
quite 
> it, so I am doing a bit of experimentation. I have a pretty nice 
> setting of Horizontal =2 and verticle =10 that I like but it is 
not 
> that lenswork color. That might be some kind of duo-tone that is 
way 
> over my head, and might need different settings for the highlights 
and 
> shadows. Anybody trying to get that vibe out of K3?

Howdy back!

Lenswork is using a duo-tone for its printing and therefore it will 
be hard to match this exactly with the R2400. I too am having fun 
playing around with the tone settings, with my goal being to make as 
best a match to my darkroom work as possible. I have found that very 
small movements verticle and horizontal make easily perceptible 
differences (at least to my eyes) in tone. I have experienced 
the "neutral/darker" setting to have the slightest blue green cast, 
experienced as "cold". My wife noticed this as well. I have been 
slowly nudging the controls and am liking vertical 2/horizontal 2 
for getting something without that percieved blue/ green cast. 
Movements farther out on the wheel start to look "colored" to my 
eye, but still pleasing. I think this tool is going to be pretty 
useful at dialing in just what you want in the look of a print.

Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-26 by dfaprinting

Most likely there isn't enough built up on the heads to bother, but 
here is what many will do...

Get a non shedding wipe of some kind, Twill wipes work well since the 
don't snag or shed and fold it a couple of times. Saturate with 
windex, and then move the heads over the wipe and let rest for a few 
seconds. Yes you will fight with the wipe until you get the proper 
amounts folded so it fits. You could try putting the head height on 
thick media, then move it over the wipe, then lower the height and 
keep it lowered when you move the head back to park. A more simple 
way would be the saturate the capping station (where the head parks) 
and let it sit for a while(minutes to hours), check to make sure 
there is plenty of windex and repeat. When you turn the printer back 
on, it will clean like normal sucking the windex/old ink down into 
the waste system. Print a nozzel check to make sure things are 
working, and try another print. If you still have out of place black 
dots, then that might be something with in the printer on the driver.

RE: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-26 by Steve Bye

LensWork is printed with a very high resolution stochastic screen using
duotone inks. They explain it in the back of the magazine, and may have more
info on their website.

It seems ridiculous to say but the images LensWork are as good as or better
than many silver gelatin prints I've seen. The latest cover art for LensWork
#59 is one of their best.

If you are not familiar with this magazine, you should check it out. It is
almost entirely B&W. While it is heavily dominated by silver gelatin, there
is a small amount of inkjet stuff.

Here's a link: http://www.lenswork.com/overviewcurrentissue.htm

Steve
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-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Douglas
meeuwsen
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:25 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

Howdy....
having a great time this summer with my 2400
I'm pretty sure that everyone is hip to lenswork magazine, and I am 
wondering if any of us has been able to get that color of print, using 
the Advanced BW mode of the K3 inkset. The warm setting is not quite 
it, so I am doing a bit of experimentation. I have a pretty nice 
setting of Horizontal =2 and verticle =10 that I like but it is not 
that lenswork color. That might be some kind of duo-tone that is way 
over my head, and might need different settings for the highlights and 
shadows. Anybody trying to get that vibe out of K3?

Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-26 by Leslie Otterbein

There is a man on the epson forum who give out a cleaning manual for 
epson printers. You have to email him personally at

e-printerhelp@...

His name is Arthur Entlich. He will send you a copy gratis.

Leslie Otterbein
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On Jul 25, 2005, at 7:36 PM, Jeff Medkeff wrote:

>
>  This was on the list a couple weeks ago:
>
>
>
>  mepreuss wrote:
>
>
>  > I recently tooled a brand new C86 with MIS EZ inks and have been 
> very
>  > happy with the results.  However on close inspection of the prints I
>  > see random black dots in any light area, including shaded and
>  > non-shaded areas.
>
>
>  Matt Haber wrote:
>
>  > I suspect it's a dirty head. I've had that problem, and cleaning the
>  > underside of the print head with an ammonia saturate towel will 
> clear
>  > it up.
>
>
>
>
>  Marty, did you ever try cleaning as described? Did that solve the
>  problem? (The random black dots are showing up in my prints, as well.)
>
>  Can anyone point me to a procedure for cleaning the underside of the 
> C86
>  print head with Windex (or etc)? The specific difficulty I'm having is
>  understanding how to reach the underside of the print head. I'm a
>  small-fingered man, but I can't come close to reaching it, and it is
>  non-obvious to me how to remove it. (I *am* a mechanical moron, so 
> none
>  of this is surprising.)
>
>  I've gotten to the point where (excepting the black dots) I am really
>  liking the output of this combination (C86-EZN) and I'm getting
>  consistent, predictable results. I've made several prints now that I
>  think are gorgeous, and I'm usually terribly nonplussed with my own
>  results. I'm very impressed with this combination, and have to thank
>  Paul Roark and his website again for turning me on to it.
>
>  Thanks for any assist,
>
>  --
>  Jeff Medkeff
>  Eagle River, Alaska

Re: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-26 by Douglas meeuwsen

hmmmmm.....cant find any info in the back of my magazine......The ABW 
driver has a duo tone effect, with the highlight tone slider, and 
shadow tone slider...But in my preview the effect does not 
show....Guess I know what I am doing tomorrow!

On Jul 25, 2005, at 9:29 PM, Steve Bye wrote:

> LensWork is printed with a very high resolution stochastic screen using
>  duotone inks. They explain it in the back of the magazine, and may 
> have more
>  info on their website.
>
>  It seems ridiculous to say but the images LensWork are as good as or 
> better
>  than many silver gelatin prints I've seen. The latest cover art for 
> LensWork
>  #59 is one of their best.
>
>  If you are not familiar with this magazine, you should check it out. 
> It is
>  almost entirely B&W. While it is heavily dominated by silver gelatin, 
> there
>  is a small amount of inkjet stuff.
>
>  Here's a link: http://www.lenswork.com/overviewcurrentissue.htm
>
>  Steve


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-26 by dfaprinting

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Bye" 
<steve_bye@c...> wrote:
> LensWork is printed with a very high resolution stochastic screen 
using
> duotone inks. They explain it in the back of the magazine, and may 
have more
> info on their website.
> 
> It seems ridiculous to say but the images LensWork are as good as 
or better
> than many silver gelatin prints I've seen. The latest cover art for 
LensWork
> #59 is one of their best.
> 


Says a lot about the current level of mass printing technology. Wide 
spread use of stochastic screening for this type of printing is only 
a few years old, even though the technology is much older. Here's a 
link with a small amount of info on this process: 
http://www.kpgraphics.com/white_papers/archive/stochastic.html

Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-26 by mepreuss

I never did try the printhead cleaning process, though I haven't
solved the problem.  I am a little skeptical about it being caused by
a dirty printhead because the system was brand new, I used only MIS
EZN carts, and I had run less than 50 sheets of EEM in it. 

I asked MIS about the problem, they suggested running a printhead
purge and exam the output for the dots. I'll probably try that this
evening, though at this point I'm not sure what it means if the dots
are gone.  The purge file can be found at
ttp://www.inksupply.com/cobratrouble.cfm (step 2) This is part of
their Continuous Flow System Troubleshooting steps. They also
suggested trying a different paper to see if that eliminates them. 

I'll let you know what I find out.  

Marty Preuss

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Leslie Otterbein
<lotterbein@t...> wrote:
> There is a man on the epson forum who give out a cleaning manual for 
> epson printers. You 
> 
> On Jul 25, 2005, at 7:36 PM, Jeff Medkeff wrote:
> 
> >
> >  This was on the list a couple weeks ago:

> >  mepreuss wrote:
> >
> >  > I recently tooled a brand new C86 with MIS EZ inks and have been 
> > very happy with the results.  However on close inspection of the
prints I see random black dots in any light area, including shaded and
non-shaded areas.


> >  Marty, did you ever try cleaning as described? Did that solve the
problem? (The random black dots are showing up in my prints, as well.)
Can anyone point me to a procedure for cleaning the underside of the
C86 print head with Windex (or etc)? The specific difficulty I'm
having is understanding how to reach the underside of the print head.
I'm a small-fingered man, but I can't come close to reaching it, and
it is non-obvious to me how to remove it. (I *am* a mechanical moron,
so  none of this is surprising.)
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> >  I've gotten to the point where (excepting the black dots) I am really
> >  liking the output of this combination (C86-EZN) and I'm getting
> >  consistent, predictable results. I've made several prints now that I
> >  think are gorgeous, and I'm usually terribly nonplussed with my own
> >  results. I'm very impressed with this combination, and have to thank
> >  Paul Roark and his website again for turning me on to it.
> >
> >  Thanks for any assist,
> >
> >  --
> >  Jeff Medkeff
> >  Eagle River, Alaska

RE: Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-26 by Michael E. Gordon

>> If you are not familiar with this magazine, you should check it out. It
is
almost entirely B&W. While it is heavily dominated by silver gelatin, there
is a small amount of inkjet stuff.


This just isn't true anymore. There's more and more digital work appearing
in LW, from both digital cameras and printing processes.

Best Regards,
Michael Gordon
www.mgordonphotography.com

Re: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-26 by Douglas meeuwsen

well.....I went at it today, and came up with:

  vert=40, horiz=40 tone wheel setting to get close to the tone of the 
lenswork prints.

then I experimented with the sliders, and settled on -20 for the shadow 
tonality slider, and the highlight slider at +10, to get the shadows to 
be more neutral like the magazine

It seems like the sliders change the tone as well as the contrast 
curve, but  in any event the sliders are effective but not drastic

oddly, the colorwheel points near the center seem to be more sensitive 
than the points farther out.

This is just after messing around with a couple of images, and 21 step 
strips......but when i lay the print next to the magazine it looks the 
same, which is quite nice, and pretty drastically diferent than either 
the neutral setting, which is pretty neutral(at +2,+2) and the "warm" 
setting which is more green than I like.
I do like the "cool" setting though......

Anybody else gotten into this yet? Id like to hear if anyone agrees 
with these settings.....>DM

Re: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-26 by Douglas meeuwsen

well...for these tests i am using kirkland with the Pk cart. I also use 
epson premium semi matte, semi gloss, and iflord smooth pearl, and they 
all look exactly the same. That is wacky, because i use the media 
setting "premium semigloss" for all of those! That would never happen 
on my 1280. It seems that the k3 inks are just very forgiving in ABW 
mode. (in color, using profiles is still better than not using them)


On Jul 26, 2005, at 2:38 PM, rgoldman2 wrote:

> Mr. Meeuwsen,could you tell me what paper you are using? Thanks.
>
>


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Re: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-26 by Gary Brown

I tried your settings on a 2400. I used EEM, I also printed a larger print 
on Innova Soft Texture Art. The prints are quite warm, especially on the 
Innova paper which has no optical brighteners.  I like the look very much. 
That's all I can say. No technical mumbo jumbo. Hopefully so will my 
customers.

Gary

www.pbase.com/garyallenbrown
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From: "Douglas meeuwsen" <lipshurt@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?


well.....I went at it today, and came up with:

  vert=40, horiz=40 tone wheel setting to get close to the tone of the
lenswork prints.

then I experimented with the sliders, and settled on -20 for the shadow
tonality slider, and the highlight slider at +10, to get the shadows to
be more neutral like the magazine

It seems like the sliders change the tone as well as the contrast
curve, but  in any event the sliders are effective but not drastic

oddly, the colorwheel points near the center seem to be more sensitive
than the points farther out.

This is just after messing around with a couple of images, and 21 step
strips......but when i lay the print next to the magazine it looks the
same, which is quite nice, and pretty drastically diferent than either
the neutral setting, which is pretty neutral(at +2,+2) and the "warm"
setting which is more green than I like.
I do like the "cool" setting though......

Anybody else gotten into this yet? Id like to hear if anyone agrees
with these settings.....>DM




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Re: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-26 by Douglas meeuwsen

yes...the lenswork magazine is really warm....but a warm that has a lot 
of personality. More than any other photo magazine, lenswork really has 
personality.
I took a shot of the cover of issue #56, and made a print and it is 
really close. I think I like it a lot......DM
On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Gary Brown wrote:

> I tried your settings on a 2400. I used EEM, I also printed a larger 
> print
>  on Innova Soft Texture Art. The prints are quite warm, especially on 
> the
>  Innova paper which has no optical brighteners.  I like the look very 
> much.
>  That's all I can say. No technical mumbo jumbo. Hopefully so will my
>  customers.
>
>  Gary


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Re: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-26 by Carl Schofield

It does look quite close.  Also, the Pantone Tritone in Photoshop (Bl  
437 burgundy 127 gold) looks similar.  If you convert a grayscale to  
duotone mode, select this preset from the Pantone Tritones folder,  
then convert to RGB mode, and add a hue saturation adjustment layer  
with saturation set to -20 to -40 percent.  Another one is Ken Lee's  
bronze quadtone:
http://www.kenleegallery.com/bronze.htm
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On Jul 26, 2005, at 7:33 PM, Douglas meeuwsen wrote:

> yes...the lenswork magazine is really warm....but a warm that has a  
> lot
> of personality. More than any other photo magazine, lenswork really  
> has
> personality.
> I took a shot of the cover of issue #56, and made a print and it is
> really close. I think I like it a lot......DM
> On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Gary Brown wrote:
>
>
>> I tried your settings on a 2400. I used EEM, I also printed a larger
>> print
>>  on Innova Soft Texture Art. The prints are quite warm, especially on
>> the
>>  Innova paper which has no optical brighteners.  I like the look very
>> much.
>>  That's all I can say. No technical mumbo jumbo. Hopefully so will my
>>  customers.
>>
>>  Gary
>>

Re: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-27 by Douglas meeuwsen

Thanks....I tried doing it with duo-tones in photoshop, but I was in 
way over my head......DM
On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:47 PM, Carl Schofield wrote:

> It does look quite close.  Also, the Pantone Tritone in Photoshop (Bl 
>  437 burgundy 127 gold) looks similar.  If you convert a grayscale to 
>  duotone mode, select this preset from the Pantone Tritones folder, 
>  then convert to RGB mode, and add a hue saturation adjustment layer 
>  with saturation set to -20 to -40 percent.  Another one is Ken Lee's 
>  bronze quadtone:
> http://www.kenleegallery.com/bronze.htm
>
>  On Jul 26, 2005, at 7:33 PM, Douglas meeuwsen wrote:
>
>  > yes...the lenswork magazine is really warm....but a warm that has a 
>  > lot
>  > of personality. More than any other photo magazine, lenswork really 
>  > has
>  > personality.
>  > I took a shot of the cover of issue #56, and made a print and it is
>  > really close. I think I like it a lot......DM
>  > On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Gary Brown wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  >> I tried your settings on a 2400. I used EEM, I also printed a 
> larger
>  >> print
>  >>  on Innova Soft Texture Art. The prints are quite warm, especially 
> on
>  >> the
>  >>  Innova paper which has no optical brighteners.  I like the look 
> very
>  >> much.
>  >>  That's all I can say. No technical mumbo jumbo. Hopefully so will 
> my
>  >>  customers.
>  >>
>  >>  Gary
>  >>
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Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-27 by mepreuss

Printed the MIS Purge file - still had dots. Printed same file on
Premier ArtHot Press - still dotted, though dots were in different
places, i.e. what appear to be random locations. 

I'm puzzled. But hesitant to start messing with the printhead and not
dissatisfied enough to stop using the system, just kind of annoyed
with it.   

Is anyone else experiencing this phenomenon?  

Marty 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mepreuss"
<mepreuss@y...> wrote:
> I never did try the printhead cleaning process, though I haven't
> solved the problem.  I am a little skeptical about it being caused by
> a dirty printhead because the system was brand new, I used only MIS
> EZN carts, and I had run less than 50 sheets of EEM in it. 
> 
> I asked MIS about the problem, they suggested running a printhead
> purge and exam the output for the dots. I'll probably try that this
> evening, though at this point I'm not sure what it means if the dots
> are gone.  The purge file can be found at
> ttp://www.inksupply.com/cobratrouble.cfm (step 2) This is part of
> their Continuous Flow System Troubleshooting steps. They also
> suggested trying a different paper to see if that eliminates them. 
> 
> I'll let you know what I find out.  
> 
> Marty Preuss
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Leslie Otterbein
> <lotterbein@t...> wrote:
> > There is a man on the epson forum who give out a cleaning manual for 
> > epson printers. You 
> > 
> > On Jul 25, 2005, at 7:36 PM, Jeff Medkeff wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >  This was on the list a couple weeks ago:
> 
> > >  mepreuss wrote:
> > >
> > >  > I recently tooled a brand new C86 with MIS EZ inks and have been 
> > > very happy with the results.  However on close inspection of the
> prints I see random black dots in any light area, including shaded and
> non-shaded areas.
> 
> 
> > >  Marty, did you ever try cleaning as described? Did that solve the
> problem? (The random black dots are showing up in my prints, as well.)
> Can anyone point me to a procedure for cleaning the underside of the
> C86 print head with Windex (or etc)? The specific difficulty I'm
> having is understanding how to reach the underside of the print head.
> I'm a small-fingered man, but I can't come close to reaching it, and
> it is non-obvious to me how to remove it. (I *am* a mechanical moron,
> so  none of this is surprising.)
> 
> > >  I've gotten to the point where (excepting the black dots) I am
really
> > >  liking the output of this combination (C86-EZN) and I'm getting
> > >  consistent, predictable results. I've made several prints now
that I
> > >  think are gorgeous, and I'm usually terribly nonplussed with my own
> > >  results. I'm very impressed with this combination, and have to
thank
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> > >  Paul Roark and his website again for turning me on to it.
> > >
> > >  Thanks for any assist,
> > >
> > >  --
> > >  Jeff Medkeff
> > >  Eagle River, Alaska

Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-27 by Jeff Medkeff

mepreuss wrote:




> Is anyone else experiencing this phenomenon?  

Yeah. I did the purge you described in your last message; I also did a 
manual cleaning of the ink head with an ammonia solution as described 
elsewhere. (Like you, my printer is pretty new, still on its first carts 
of everything, and has only had MIS ink put through it.)

I am still getting the dots.

Does anyone else suspect the printer driver is messed up somehow? I've 
got a highly repeatable problem of getting microbanding at several input 
file dpi's; I think this problem is in the driver. The microbanding is 
easy enough to work around (just resample the image to an acceptable 
resolution before printing), but maybe this is just one of *several* 
driver problems. I wonder whether pseudo-random activation of a black 
nozzle is also a 'feature' of this driver.

Do black dots appear randomly in the color output of this printer using 
standard Epson inks?

I spent about an hour online today looking for an old driver. Epson 
doesn't have any posted that I can find, and none of the driver 
repositories do as well. So it looks like we are stuck with the current 
(poisonous?) driver. Anyone have anything prior to the current driver 
version 5.5 for XP?

Is anyone getting the black dots using a Mac, or Windows NT/2000?

Anyone know of a print-to-file analysis method that will reveal whether 
the printer is being ordered to fire a black nozzle by the driver? Such 
a check would help narrow things down between the driver, and the head, 
I should think. But I can't decipher the file that print-to-file produces.

--
Jeff Medkeff
Eagle River, Alaska

Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-27 by dfaprinting

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Medkeff 
> I spent about an hour online today looking for an old driver. Epson 
> doesn't have any posted that I can find, and none of the driver 
> repositories do as well. So it looks like we are stuck with the 
current 
> (poisonous?) driver. Anyone have anything prior to the current 
driver 
> version 5.5 for XP?
> 


I know you can find older drivers at ftp://ftp.epson.com in the 
drivers folder, but you will need to hunt for them since Epson likes 
to hide the files behind ambiguous (to me) numbers instead of real 
file names. You might also check the Austrilian Epson FTP and the UK 
FTP, but again, you might be downloading a lot of files just to find 
what you need.

I don't get random black dots in prints on the multi function version 
of the C84.

Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-27 by Douglas meeuwsen

well...I also have a c86 that I use with the stock inks, and the stock 
mac driver, and I have never seen any black dots like you describe. I 
Mainly use the C86 for color 4x6 cheap "glossy photo paper" family 
shots, which I must say do look very good (my experience has been that 
the 86 works great out of the box with only two papers: EEM, and cheap 
glossy photo paper. All others are too blue)
What I really use the 86 for a LOT, is printing music. That little 
printer prints a perfect page full of notes in about 15 seconds. There 
is never any artifacts either printing color photos,or music, with my 
mac driver, and epson inks.......FWIW,......DM


On Jul 26, 2005, at 7:08 PM, Jeff Medkeff wrote:

>
>
>
>  > Is anyone else experiencing this phenomenon? 
>
>  Is anyone getting the black dots using a Mac, or Windows NT/2000?


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Re: Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-27 by schrochem

Brooks mentioned it on the lenswork forum
http://lenswork.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=72

"Actually, there are three distinctly different tones in LensWork, 
each created from a different set of duotone curves. All three use 
only black ink and Pantone Warm Grey 11C ink, but have different 
ratios of the two. In house, we call them "neutral warm," "sort of 
warn," and "very warm." Look carefully and you'll see the differences. 
We choose the tone for each portfolio that we think will be compliment 
the subject."

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas meeuwsen 
<lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> Howdy....
> having a great time this summer with my 2400
> I'm pretty sure that everyone is hip to lenswork magazine, and I am 
> wondering if any of us has been able to get that color of print, 
using 
> the Advanced BW mode of the K3 inkset. The warm setting is not quite 
> it, so I am doing a bit of experimentation. I have a pretty nice 
> setting of Horizontal =2 and verticle =10 that I like but it is not 
> that lenswork color. That might be some kind of duo-tone that is way 
> over my head, and might need different settings for the highlights 
and 
> shadows. Anybody trying to get that vibe out of K3?

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-27 by Douglas meeuwsen

Yup...after doing this all day today, and looking thru the book, and 
comparing my prints, I found that my 40/40 did not match all of the 
prints. I worked it out to three grades of warm, but all three have the 
same shadow and highlight slider positions.
My neutral warm is v=10 H=10
medium warm is 20/20
and very warm is 40/40
my neutral is 3/3 with sliders in the middle
my guess is that I will think these are too exaggerated tomorrow. 20/20 
might be a good match for lensworks most warm, and 10/10 might be a 
good medium, and my neutral might be just a tad warm at 3/3.
the difference between 2/2 and 4/4 is noticable. About the same diff as 
20/20 and 40/40

thanks for the info though...that was driving me crazy!


On Jul 26, 2005, at 8:11 PM, schrochem wrote:

> Brooks mentioned it on the lenswork forum
> http://lenswork.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=72
>
>  "Actually, there are three distinctly different tones in LensWork,
>  each created from a different set of duotone curves. All three use
>  only black ink and Pantone Warm Grey 11C ink, but have different
>  ratios of the two. In house, we call them "neutral warm," "sort of
>  warn," and "very warm." Look carefully and you'll see the differences.
>  We choose the tone for each portfolio that we think will be compliment
>  the subject."


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Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-27 by Peter De Smidt

mepreuss wrote:

>Printed the MIS Purge file - still had dots. Printed same file on
>Premier ArtHot Press - still dotted, though dots were in different
>places, i.e. what appear to be random locations. 
>
>I'm puzzled. But hesitant to start messing with the printhead and not
>dissatisfied enough to stop using the system, just kind of annoyed
>with it.   
>
>Is anyone else experiencing this phenomenon?  
>
>Marty 
>
>  
>
Yep, me too.  I've only used the MIS EZ inks in this printer.  I find it 
hard to believe that the head might be dirty already. I'm having the 
problem with Epson Semi-Matte and Kirkland Glossy.

-Peter

Re: Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-27 by Martin Carrington

Michael,

Very nice work on both your images and your website - this group 
certainly serves to be insperational to aspiring photographers, 

Thanks

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael E. 
Gordon" <michael_gordon@c...> wrote:
> >> If you are not familiar with this magazine, you should check it 
out. It
> is
> almost entirely B&W. While it is heavily dominated by silver 
gelatin, there
> is a small amount of inkjet stuff.
> 
> 
> This just isn't true anymore. There's more and more digital work 
appearing
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> in LW, from both digital cameras and printing processes.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Michael Gordon
> www.mgordonphotography.com

RE: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-27 by John Moody

Jeff,
It might be interesting to compose a full image of near-white, and put a
handful of horizontal and vertical black lines on it.  Print it out and see
if any dots show up in random or repeatable places.

Best regards,
John Moody
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Do black dots appear randomly in the color output of this printer using
standard Epson inks?

--
Jeff Medkeff
Eagle River, Alaska




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Re: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-27 by scott_now_coming

Hi Carl,

I'm wondering if you tried Ken Lee's duotone plug-ins with your new 
Epson printer (4800?)?

I have a C86 and R800 so there's no use in me trying those KL plug-ins, 
but I'm really curious on how they look (since I'll be up-grading to 
the 4800 shortly).

Thanks,

Scott

Re: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-27 by Carl Schofield

Scott,

The bronze quadtone is just a preset to use with the Photoshop  
duotone mode.  I haven't used it much, but the tone is nice for some  
images.  You should be able to use this with the R800 since you have  
to convert the duotone to RGB and then print with color inks using  
the Epson driver, just as you would for any color image.  You may get  
color crossovers if your paper profile isn't good, but otherwise it  
should be OK.  By the way, I have a 4000 and 2400, but not the 4800.

Carl
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> Hi Carl,
>
> I'm wondering if you tried Ken Lee's duotone plug-ins with your new
> Epson printer (4800?)?
>
> I have a C86 and R800 so there's no use in me trying those KL plug- 
> ins,
> but I'm really curious on how they look (since I'll be up-grading to
> the 4800 shortly).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-27 by scott_now_coming

Thanks Carl, I'll give it a try. You make a good point about it being 
a RGB file. And yes, I do have a good custom profile!

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
<scho@m...> wrote:
> Scott,
> 
> The bronze quadtone is just a preset to use with the Photoshop  
> duotone mode.  I haven't used it much, but the tone is nice for 
some  
> images.  You should be able to use this with the R800 since you 
have  
> to convert the duotone to RGB and then print with color inks using  
> the Epson driver, just as you would for any color image.  You may 
get  
> color crossovers if your paper profile isn't good, but otherwise 
it  
> should be OK.  By the way, I have a 4000 and 2400, but not the 4800.
> 
> Carl
> 
> On Jul 27, 2005, at 2:00 PM, scott_now_coming wrote:
> 
> > Hi Carl,
> >
> > I'm wondering if you tried Ken Lee's duotone plug-ins with your 
new
> > Epson printer (4800?)?
> >
> > I have a C86 and R800 so there's no use in me trying those KL 
plug- 
> > ins,
> > but I'm really curious on how they look (since I'll be up-grading 
to
> > the 4800 shortly).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-27 by Brubaker family

Marty,

As I recall, when I first set up my C84 printer with
the EZ-BW I had a similar problem with dot "spatters"
on my prints.  My C84 was used, and I fixed the
problem by using Art's underhead cleaning process and
also cleaning out hair and debris from the printhead
area (cleaning station, head travel path, etc...).  It
took me several attempts to get it right.  I'm
thinking the previous owner must have had a dog or
something.  If your printer is new, have you tried the
original Epson ink carts in it to see if it still has
the problem?  If it does and it is new, perhaps an in
warrenty replacement is in order.  If it doesn't have
the dots with the Epson carts it would seem to
indicate that the problem is with the MIS carts.  I
encourage you to stick with it to find a fix, as the
prints you can make with the EZ-BW system are well
worth it.

Mike Brubaker

--- mepreuss <mepreuss@...> wrote:

> Printed the MIS Purge file - still had dots. Printed
> same file on
> Premier ArtHot Press - still dotted, though dots
> were in different
> places, i.e. what appear to be random locations. 
> 
> I'm puzzled. But hesitant to start messing with the
> printhead and not
> dissatisfied enough to stop using the system, just
> kind of annoyed
> with it.   
> 
> Is anyone else experiencing this phenomenon?  
> 
> Marty 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> "mepreuss"
> <mepreuss@y...> wrote:
> > I never did try the printhead cleaning process,
> though I haven't
> > solved the problem.  I am a little skeptical about
> it being caused by
> > a dirty printhead because the system was brand
> new, I used only MIS
> > EZN carts, and I had run less than 50 sheets of
> EEM in it. 
> > 
> > I asked MIS about the problem, they suggested
> running a printhead
> > purge and exam the output for the dots. I'll
> probably try that this
> > evening, though at this point I'm not sure what it
> means if the dots
> > are gone.  The purge file can be found at
> > ttp://www.inksupply.com/cobratrouble.cfm (step 2)
> This is part of
> > their Continuous Flow System Troubleshooting
> steps. They also
> > suggested trying a different paper to see if that
> eliminates them. 
> > 
> > I'll let you know what I find out.  
> > 
> > Marty Preuss
> > 
> > --- In
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Leslie
> Otterbein
> > <lotterbein@t...> wrote:
> > > There is a man on the epson forum who give out a
> cleaning manual for 
> > > epson printers. You 
> > > 
> > > On Jul 25, 2005, at 7:36 PM, Jeff Medkeff wrote:
> > > 
> > > >
> > > >  This was on the list a couple weeks ago:
> > 
> > > >  mepreuss wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  > I recently tooled a brand new C86 with MIS
> EZ inks and have been 
> > > > very happy with the results.  However on close
> inspection of the
> > prints I see random black dots in any light area,
> including shaded and
> > non-shaded areas.
> > 
> > 
> > > >  Marty, did you ever try cleaning as
> described? Did that solve the
> > problem? (The random black dots are showing up in
> my prints, as well.)
> > Can anyone point me to a procedure for cleaning
> the underside of the
> > C86 print head with Windex (or etc)? The specific
> difficulty I'm
> > having is understanding how to reach the underside
> of the print head.
> > I'm a small-fingered man, but I can't come close
> to reaching it, and
> > it is non-obvious to me how to remove it. (I *am*
> a mechanical moron,
> > so  none of this is surprising.)
> > 
> > > >  I've gotten to the point where (excepting the
> black dots) I am
> really
> > > >  liking the output of this combination
> (C86-EZN) and I'm getting
> > > >  consistent, predictable results. I've made
> several prints now
> that I
> > > >  think are gorgeous, and I'm usually terribly
> nonplussed with my own
> > > >  results. I'm very impressed with this
> combination, and have to
> thank
> > > >  Paul Roark and his website again for turning
> me on to it.
> > > >
> > > >  Thanks for any assist,
> > > >
> > > >  --
> > > >  Jeff Medkeff
> > > >  Eagle River, Alaska
> 
> 
> 
> 



		
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Re: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-28 by Jim Goshorn

On Jul 26, 2005, at 7:47 PM, Carl Schofield wrote:

> Another one is Ken Lee's bronze quadtone:
> http://www.kenleegallery.com/bronze.htm

Just went to the site, clicked the link and the file doesn't appear  
to be there anymore.

Jim

Re: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-28 by Carl Schofield

He modified his site.  The download link is now on this page:
http://www.kenleegallery.com/html/tech/bronze.htm
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:57 PM, Jim Goshorn wrote:

>
> On Jul 26, 2005, at 7:47 PM, Carl Schofield wrote:
>
>
>> Another one is Ken Lee's bronze quadtone:
>> http://www.kenleegallery.com/bronze.htm
>>
>
> Just went to the site, clicked the link and the file doesn't appear
> to be there anymore.
>
> Jim
>

Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-28 by mepreuss

Mike

Thats a good idea, I will try the original cartridges and see what
happens. And I do intend to stick with the EZ-BW inks, dots and all
I'm still pleased with the results.

Jeff - if you've tried this idea, let me know your results.  

Marty Preuss

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Brubaker family
<brubaker_family@y...> wrote:
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> Marty,
> 
> As I recall, when I first set up my C84 printer with
> the EZ-BW I had a similar problem with dot "spatters"
> on my prints.  My C84 was used, and I fixed the
> problem by using Art's underhead cleaning process and
> also cleaning out hair and debris from the printhead
> area (cleaning station, head travel path, etc...).  It
> took me several attempts to get it right.  I'm
> thinking the previous owner must have had a dog or
> something.  If your printer is new, have you tried the
> original Epson ink carts in it to see if it still has
> the problem?  If it does and it is new, perhaps an in
> warrenty replacement is in order.  If it doesn't have
> the dots with the Epson carts it would seem to
> indicate that the problem is with the MIS carts.  I
> encourage you to stick with it to find a fix, as the
> prints you can make with the EZ-BW system are well
> worth it.
> 
> Mike Brubaker
> 
> --- mepreuss <mepreuss@y...> wrote:
> 
> > Printed the MIS Purge file - still had dots. Printed
> > same file on
> > Premier ArtHot Press - still dotted, though dots
> > were in different
> > places, i.e. what appear to be random locations. 
> > 
> > I'm puzzled. But hesitant to start messing with the
> > printhead and not
> > dissatisfied enough to stop using the system, just
> > kind of annoyed
> > with it.   
> > 
> > Is anyone else experiencing this phenomenon?  
> > 
> > Marty 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "mepreuss"
> > <mepreuss@y...> wrote:
> > > I never did try the printhead cleaning process,
> > though I haven't
> > > solved the problem.  I am a little skeptical about
> > it being caused by
> > > a dirty printhead because the system was brand
> > new, I used only MIS
> > > EZN carts, and I had run less than 50 sheets of
> > EEM in it. 
> > > 
> > > I asked MIS about the problem, they suggested
> > running a printhead
> > > purge and exam the output for the dots. I'll
> > probably try that this
> > > evening, though at this point I'm not sure what it
> > means if the dots
> > > are gone.  The purge file can be found at
> > > ttp://www.inksupply.com/cobratrouble.cfm (step 2)
> > This is part of
> > > their Continuous Flow System Troubleshooting
> > steps. They also
> > > suggested trying a different paper to see if that
> > eliminates them. 
> > > 
> > > I'll let you know what I find out.  
> > > 
> > > Marty Preuss
> > > 
> > > --- In
> > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Leslie
> > Otterbein
> > > <lotterbein@t...> wrote:
> > > > There is a man on the epson forum who give out a
> > cleaning manual for 
> > > > epson printers. You 
> > > > 
> > > > On Jul 25, 2005, at 7:36 PM, Jeff Medkeff wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > >  This was on the list a couple weeks ago:
> > > 
> > > > >  mepreuss wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >  > I recently tooled a brand new C86 with MIS
> > EZ inks and have been 
> > > > > very happy with the results.  However on close
> > inspection of the
> > > prints I see random black dots in any light area,
> > including shaded and
> > > non-shaded areas.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > >  Marty, did you ever try cleaning as
> > described? Did that solve the
> > > problem? (The random black dots are showing up in
> > my prints, as well.)
> > > Can anyone point me to a procedure for cleaning
> > the underside of the
> > > C86 print head with Windex (or etc)? The specific
> > difficulty I'm
> > > having is understanding how to reach the underside
> > of the print head.
> > > I'm a small-fingered man, but I can't come close
> > to reaching it, and
> > > it is non-obvious to me how to remove it. (I *am*
> > a mechanical moron,
> > > so  none of this is surprising.)
> > > 
> > > > >  I've gotten to the point where (excepting the
> > black dots) I am
> > really
> > > > >  liking the output of this combination
> > (C86-EZN) and I'm getting
> > > > >  consistent, predictable results. I've made
> > several prints now
> > that I
> > > > >  think are gorgeous, and I'm usually terribly
> > nonplussed with my own
> > > > >  results. I'm very impressed with this
> > combination, and have to
> > thank
> > > > >  Paul Roark and his website again for turning
> > me on to it.
> > > > >
> > > > >  Thanks for any assist,
> > > > >
> > > > >  --
> > > > >  Jeff Medkeff
> > > > >  Eagle River, Alaska
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-28 by Elwood Spedden

me too!

Too Bad

Woody spedden

--- Jim Goshorn <jgoshorn@...> wrote:


---------------------------------

On Jul 26, 2005, at 7:47 PM, Carl Schofield wrote:

> Another one is Ken Lee's bronze quadtone:
> http://www.kenleegallery.com/bronze.htm

Just went to the site, clicked the link and the file
doesn't appear  
to be there anymore.

Jim


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Re: [Digital BW] Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-07-28 by Elwood Spedden

Thanks all 
Woody Spedden

--- Carl Schofield <scho@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
He modified his site.  The download link is now on
this page:
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On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:57 PM, Jim Goshorn wrote:

>
> On Jul 26, 2005, at 7:47 PM, Carl Schofield wrote:
>
>
>> Another one is Ken Lee's bronze quadtone:
>> http://www.kenleegallery.com/bronze.htm
>>
>
> Just went to the site, clicked the link and the file
doesn't appear
> to be there anymore.
>
> Jim
>


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Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots

2005-07-28 by Jeff Medkeff

mepreuss wrote:



> Jeff - if you've tried this idea, let me know your results.  

Marty,

I have a heavy shooting schedule for the next couple days, then I'll get 
back to the C86 debugging. (Tomorrow, of all things, I'll be shooting 
someone wearing an apparently accurate reproduction of a very elaborate 
Elizabethan-period dress.)

Did you or anyone else getting the dotting post their driver version 
number and operating system? If so, I didn't see it.

The first thing I intend to do is locate my driver disk and see if I 
have an earlier version of the driver (prior to 5.5), and try it out. If 
I don't have an earlier version here I intend to take someone up on 
their offer to send me one and/or go on an easter egg hunt on the epson 
FTP site and find one. This just springs from my hypothesis that the 
driver is buggy, combined with a forlorn hope that an older version will 
work better.

I'm *definitely* taking a dim view of driver 5.5's ability to deal with 
source files of different resolutions, and am pretty much having to 
stick with 360 dpi at this point to avoid having banding problems.

If switching drivers doesn't help, I'll throw the Epson ink into the 
printer and see what happens. Glad I didn't throw it away. :-)

After that, I'll try a thorough re-cleaning, but I really do not think 
that is the issue. The printer was brand new, and going through the 
prints I've made I see that I've had the spotting from the first sheet 
of paper I sent through it. In some of the prints the effects aren't 
obvious (due to narrow margins and low-key subjects), so I went through 
a period where I wasn't noticing it, but the dots do appear to have been 
present from the start. These dots are about the same size as the 
largest droplet laid down by the printer in an image area, and they have 
the same shape. They aren't smeared or globbed up, so my guess is that 
the printer is actually firing a nozzle to make them.

--
Jeff Medkeff
Eagle River, Alaska

C86 - Random Black Dots - Some Progress

2005-07-28 by Jeff Medkeff

Jeff Medkeff wrote:




> I have a heavy shooting schedule for the next couple days, then I'll get 
> back to the C86 debugging.

Ok, I lied. I couldn't keep my hands off of it. I've hit on something 
that reduces the dotting, at least in the margin areas of the image.

I got a copy of driver version 5.4 and sadly, it made no difference.

However, I observed that the most affected area of my print was the 
right-hand margin (I was printing a 5x7 on 8.5x11 stock). There are 
probably five times the number of dots in the right margin, compared to 
any other margin. Watching the printer, I noted that the right margin 
was 'overflown' by the print head on each cycle, while the left margin 
was overflown only every few cycles. The top and bottom margins hardly 
got overflown at all.

That got me thinking about high speed mode, which I determined I had 
unchecked. I think Paul Roark mentioned on his webpage that high speed 
mode is usually OK, so I checked it and reprinted.

In high speed mode, the right margin doesn't get overflown by the print 
head nearly as much. And on the print, there were far fewer black dots 
in the right margin. In a 2" square area I selected, there were ~80 dots 
in the low-speed mode print, and five dots in high-speed mode print. 
This is getting to the point where you have to start looking for them 
pretty carefully to see them.

So, Marty, have you been using high-speed mode?

I'm not sure whether the dotting in light image areas is reduced or not. 
  I don't see why it would be, but dots in toned image areas are harder 
to see. I'll have to do some further experimentation to convince myself 
either way.

Anyone using C86 with EZ but not reporting small random black dots - I'd 
be interested to know whether wide right margins are affected by this 
dotting problem when you print with high-speed turned off. In lieu of 
that, if one of you wants to see the experimental prints I just made, 
I'd be happy to mail them somewhere.

--
Jeff Medkeff
Eagle River, Alaska

Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots - Some Progress

2005-07-28 by Lee Hiers

On 7/28/05, Jeff Medkeff <medkeff@...> wrote:

> Anyone using C86 with EZ but not reporting small random black dots - I'd
> be interested to know whether wide right margins are affected by this
> dotting problem when you print with high-speed turned off. In lieu of
> that, if one of you wants to see the experimental prints I just made,
> I'd be happy to mail them somewhere.

I'm using a C86 w/ EZ inks, don't have high speed checked, and
generally print 6x9 on an 8.5x11 sheet of EEM.  I don't see any dots
in the margins.

HTH,

Lee
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Re: [Digital BW] C86 - Random Black Dots - Some Progress

2005-07-29 by Scott McLoughlin

Um, I don't get weird black dots. Once I got a bunch
of what looked like "spilled ink" on a print, but the next
print just cleared that up. I print both matte and more
recently have by having fun with the Kirkland paper (glossy).

I wonder if you got some bad carts and/or a faulty printer.
I can't imagine these are manufactured to very high tolerances,
and MIS cartridge difficulties seem well reported.

Scott

Jeff Medkeff wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Jeff Medkeff wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > I have a heavy shooting schedule for the next couple days, then I'll 
> get
> > back to the C86 debugging.
>
> Ok, I lied. I couldn't keep my hands off of it. I've hit on something
> that reduces the dotting, at least in the margin areas of the image.
>
> I got a copy of driver version 5.4 and sadly, it made no difference.
>
> However, I observed that the most affected area of my print was the
> right-hand margin (I was printing a 5x7 on 8.5x11 stock). There are
> probably five times the number of dots in the right margin, compared to
> any other margin. Watching the printer, I noted that the right margin
> was 'overflown' by the print head on each cycle, while the left margin
> was overflown only every few cycles. The top and bottom margins hardly
> got overflown at all.
>
> That got me thinking about high speed mode, which I determined I had
> unchecked. I think Paul Roark mentioned on his webpage that high speed
> mode is usually OK, so I checked it and reprinted.
>
> In high speed mode, the right margin doesn't get overflown by the print
> head nearly as much. And on the print, there were far fewer black dots
> in the right margin. In a 2" square area I selected, there were ~80 dots
> in the low-speed mode print, and five dots in high-speed mode print.
> This is getting to the point where you have to start looking for them
> pretty carefully to see them.
>
> So, Marty, have you been using high-speed mode?
>
> I'm not sure whether the dotting in light image areas is reduced or not.
> I don't see why it would be, but dots in toned image areas are harder
> to see. I'll have to do some further experimentation to convince myself
> either way.
>
> Anyone using C86 with EZ but not reporting small random black dots - I'd
> be interested to know whether wide right margins are affected by this
> dotting problem when you print with high-speed turned off. In lieu of
> that, if one of you wants to see the experimental prints I just made,
> I'd be happy to mail them somewhere.
>
> --
> Jeff Medkeff
> Eagle River, Alaska
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Re: Matching the tone of lenswork magazine?

2005-08-01 by Derek Ealy

I've actually made an effort at matching the tone of Lenswork magazine. 
However I only have a 2200 and am using IJC/OPM. I've made the effort using 
the tools at my disposal an old X-rite 810 densitometer, and my eyeballs. I 
only spent a couple of hours trying to work something up for EEM. Its 
pleasing and close, but not exact.

I love the look of Lenswork magazine, it really offers the best reproduction 
quality of anything that I've seen before. I know that this doesn't help the 
2400 users, but I thought I'd mention my efforts anyway.

Derek

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